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OrdieCPO 06-02-2013 10:36 AM

knocking noise after lift installed
 
Installed a zone 4.25 combo on my 99 TJ and getting a knocking like sound when first starting off for about 2 seconds than goes away. It seems to be coming from the TC area. I added a few washer and dropped the TC about 1/4 inch and still the same noise. It does not do it in reverse or if I take off in 4wd. I get no other vibrations or noises when driving....I am not convinced it is drive train related, Any suggestions or remedies.

Thanks,

Dan

Jame 06-18-2013 09:16 PM

Dan....I just installed a Zone 4.25 combo lift and am having that exact problem also. I also installed the transfer case drop about 1/2 inch (but I broke off one of the bolts holding on the transfer case to the skid).

Anyway.....just like you I get it when starting from a stop only for a few seconds and goes away.....and it wont do it in 4wd.

Have you gotten anywhere with this at all???

BLK00TJ 06-18-2013 09:21 PM

Did you install a shift linkage bracket adapter or adjust your linkage when you were done? Sounds like your linkage is binding up a little or hitting your tunnel.

Jame 06-18-2013 09:30 PM

Can't speak for Dan...but yes I installed the relocation bracket for the linkage. Tried adjusting the linkage as best as I could yesterday and today. I thought we had it worked out.... drove it a few miles and then went into reverse a bit...when I came back out it was there again. And pretty bad. It sure does sound pretty awful (as it not normal) and you can feel in the gas pedal and under the floor. Funny thing is standing outside the jeep you can't hear anything.

So you think it's that linkage still??? I'm not sure what else to do with it at this point.

Do you think it has anything to do with one of the bolts breaking off holding the transfer case on the skid?? Would that be causing it. I didn't do anything with it I thought the 3 remaining bolts would hold it.

Ideas??? Or back to the linkage???

BLK00TJ 06-18-2013 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jame (Post 3875408)
Can't speak for Dan...but yes I installed the relocation bracket for the linkage. Tried adjusting the linkage as best as I could yesterday and today. I thought we had it worked out.... drove it a few miles and then went into reverse a bit...when I came back out it was there again. And pretty bad. It sure does sound pretty awful (as it not normal) and you can feel in the gas pedal and under the floor. Funny thing is standing outside the jeep you can't hear anything.

So you think it's that linkage still??? I'm not sure what else to do with it at this point.

Do you think it has anything to do with one of the bolts breaking off holding the transfer case on the skid?? Would that be causing it. I didn't do anything with it I thought the 3 remaining bolts would hold it.

Ideas??? Or back to the linkage???

Could be the missing bolt. You can manually shift to 2 hi with the linkage removed to verify. Removing and reinstalling linkage can be a pain though. There is a TSB for knocking linkage too you can look into. Another thing you can check would be the tunnel bushings. I don't know why Chrysler designed though things like they did, but they wear out or get messed up when removing them. That's why I just went with a cable shifter.

Jame 06-18-2013 09:46 PM

BLK...sorry I am trying to keep up with you but I have somewhat limited automotive knowledge (read none).

So are you saying remove the linkage completely and see if I get the knocking still??

I have to google what a TSB is...sorry

BLK00TJ 06-18-2013 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jame (Post 3875482)
BLK...sorry I am trying to keep up with you but I have somewhat limited automotive knowledge (read none).

So are you saying remove the linkage completely and see if I get the knocking still??

I have to google what a TSB is...sorry

No problem. Like I said though, removing and reinstalling it can be a pain if you don't have a helper and even worse if yours is all rusted like mine was.

here is a link to a TSB article on the parts and installation.
Jeep TJ Transfer Case Shifter Knocking TSB

Jame 06-18-2013 10:24 PM

BLK....read over the TSB (thank you). It sounds promising...but I'm not sure if it would work with the new Zone relocation bracket. Once the lift is on you have to lower that bracket. When I first looked at it my I didn't know if the torque shaft should be touching the body bracket or not...but I assume Zone knows what's going on. (Also I had to do the TC lowering..so I don't know if that threw it off also).

Anyway....tonight I took it all apart and put it back together (couldn't even move adjustable rod at first it was so rusted). But after freeing it up still got the knocking.

Do you think with the Zone lift and the TC lowering it would be worth still buying the parts for the TSP???

Jame 06-18-2013 10:27 PM

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Oh and this is what it looks like from the front. Is that normal??

OrdieCPO 06-18-2013 10:42 PM

good info guys...I have tried everything to get the knocking noise to stop. Great info on the TSB for 20 dollars it is worth a try.

Jame 06-19-2013 09:28 PM

Dan...just an update for you.

I worked on the issue again this afternoon. I re-adjusted the linkage (again)...this time way shorter (as in I probably have about 2" sticking out past the locking bolt). I could never even get it that short before so I thought I could try it. And it shifted into all the gears better than I had gotten it to before.

The noise however was still present....but not nearly as bad!! So it went in the right direction.

The funny thing is that I also put my spare back on today also....so now I am wondering if just adding the extra weight to the rear was part of it. Maybe I need to lower the transfer case even further and that will get rid of the issue. Going to add some sand bags tomorrow and see if that makes a difference. If not...maybe even shortening the linkage more if I can figure out a way to get it shorter.

Anyway.....food for thought. Have you gotten anywhere on yours??

Jame 06-21-2013 07:53 PM

Dan....another update.

I kind of threw my hands up on this thing.

Tried putting 280 lbs of sand bags in rear just to see if maybe I didn't put enough drop on the TC and maybe that's causing it....no difference in the noise.

Then (yet again) re-adjusted the TC linkage. This time to its max length....I can't get it any longer.....and still nothing!! The damn knocking is still there and driving me crazy. If I totally baby the gas and just let it slowly roll in speed it doesn't happen...but if i get on the gas at all it's there.

U get anywhere on yours??

Going to try a mechanic tomorrow...I don't have anymore ideas!!

OrdieCPO 06-22-2013 10:30 PM

Nope nothing, same thing if I ease out on the gas it doesn't knock. I tried the TC drop with some washers and nothing...actually It got worse. I have also extended my TC linkage to its max, looks like we are on the same page. I think I will stop by a jeep dealership and buy that linkage kit for 20 bucks it seems to make sense. I have come to a conclusion it is more annoying than harmful to the TJ...I hope. I will let you know if the kit worked, cheers and good luck brother.

Jame 06-23-2013 08:29 PM

Yeah let me know what happens with that kit.....my mechanic friend didn't have time to look at it today...told me to bring it by in a few days and he will throw it on the rack. He said it sounds just like something is rubbing that shouldn't be....but he wanted to look at it before guessing. I was hesitating on the kit.......I think I will see how you do with it. Keep me posted man!!!

j4j 06-23-2013 10:56 PM

OrdieCPO, Jamie,....

Hey guys, just read your thread and what you guys have is exactly what I've got now. It started with mine right after I put my zone 4.25 combo lift on my 98. I'm thinking that if all three of us are having the same problem after installing this kit, we can't be the only ones. I think I will be calling zone tomorrow to see what they say.

j4j 06-24-2013 09:51 AM

Just talked to zone offroad and they said that they don't know of any specific thing that would be causing this. They did tell me however that they have a call into their engineer that is running the same lift on his. Maybe he can come up with some answers. The person I was talking to said to put weight in the rear, but I told them that one of you guys had already done this with no luck. So I guess we'll see if they can come up with anything. If I hear from them, I will post immediately.

SinfulDragon 06-24-2013 01:42 PM

All of that work.... but no one decided to actually lower the TC Skid a little more?

I only have a 2.5" lift and experienced exactly what you guys are. Solution, lower the skid plate or install an SYE.

Throw up some pics of your drive lines, or save the time and drop it about an inch total and take it for a spin. Don't forget to loosen the 4 bolts in the middle so it can slide front/rear as needed while you lower it then tighten them back up. If the problem goes away, lose some washers, see how much drop you actually need.

j4j 06-24-2013 04:44 PM

Dragon, my jeep had 3" spacer blocks and 1" skid spacers before I put my zone lift on. Do you think I should reinstall the skid spacers even though the zone lift doesn't call for it? Thanks for the input! Neil

86skl 06-24-2013 07:56 PM

Is you're front drive shaft rubbing on trans/t-case skid plate? (look for marks on d-shaft). Mine was.

Water Dog 06-24-2013 08:20 PM

I suggest that you guys that are experiencing this noise remove your skid and inspect your tc mount. If it is cracked and torn on one side, it can let the tc move vertically under load, then come back down. I helped J4J put his lift in and he just informed me that he found his mount was torn. He hasn't replaced it yet, but I would bet $'s to donuts that's where the issue is.

j4j 06-24-2013 09:44 PM

Hey waterdog, the tc mount is in. Just waitin for you to come through on the new skid :thumb:. Once everything is put back in its rightful place, I'll repost the findings. I'll leave the skid spacers out first and see if the tc mount was the real culprit.

SinfulDragon 06-25-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by j4j (Post 3896189)
Hey waterdog, the tc mount is in. Just waitin for you to come through on the new skid :thumb:. Once everything is put back in its rightful place, I'll repost the findings. I'll leave the skid spacers out first and see if the tc mount was the real culprit.

This sounds like a good plan, but if you don't have an SYE\Driveshaft setup, I'm going to guess that 1" drop is going to need to go back in.

Water Dog 06-25-2013 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SinfulDragon (Post 3897234)
This sounds like a good plan, but if you don't have an SYE\Driveshaft setup, I'm going to guess that 1" drop is going to need to go back in.

Maybe, but there's a ton of people out there running the same combo lift without it, and that's their big claim to fame with the mml. We'll know for sure in the next day or so. I agree, that an SYE/DC shaft is the best way to go, but for many it just takes more overtime to get there.

SinfulDragon 06-25-2013 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Water Dog (Post 3897393)
Maybe, but there's a ton of people out there running the same combo lift without it, and that's their big claim to fame with the mml. We'll know for sure in the next day or so. I agree, that an SYE/DC shaft is the best way to go, but for many it just takes more overtime to get there.

:doh: I was thinking just body and spring lift with no MML.

OrdieCPO 06-25-2013 07:19 PM

Hopefully I can reserve one day this weekend to troubleshoot this knocking. I am going to inspect everything for any obvious damage due to metal on metal contact. Agreed that the MML is "suppose" to eliminate the dropped TC, a lot of people are using this set up without the TC drop or a SYE without issues. I will post pics and findings so we can figure this out.

Water Dog 06-25-2013 07:48 PM

J4J said he was replacing his tc mount this evening....stay tuned, news at 11..(or probably earlier):rolleyes:

j4j 06-25-2013 08:17 PM

Happy Day. Replaced the tc mount and low and behold, it drives like new! No knocking, vibrations, nothing. $35 part and your good to go!

OrdieCPO 06-25-2013 08:35 PM

awesome...can you snap a picture of the exact part you replaced, I want to make sure I am thinking of the right part.

Water Dog 06-25-2013 09:13 PM

You can see a picture here OrdieCPO. Original Replacement Parts 52058551 - Transmission Mount for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited with 4.0L 6 Cylinder Engine & 97-02 Wrangler TJ with 2.5L 4 Cylinder Engine - Quadratec. They should be available at any auto parts supplier. Sometimes called a transmission mount although it is the part between the skid and the transfer case.

OrdieCPO 06-25-2013 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Water Dog (Post 3899507)
You can see a picture here OrdieCPO. Original Replacement Parts 52058551 - Transmission Mount for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited with 4.0L 6 Cylinder Engine & 97-02 Wrangler TJ with 2.5L 4 Cylinder Engine - Quadratec. They should be available at any auto parts supplier. Sometimes called a transmission mount although it is the part between the skid and the transfer case.

great thanks...looks like I now have something productive to do this weekend.


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