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Meatball0311 06-10-2013 01:08 AM

MS-6395 issue with Mobil 1 update
 
When I heard that Mobil 1 did not meet the MS-6395 specs... I was like... Whaat!? For reals?. So I had read up and came to the understanding that Mobil 1 and Chrysler has some sort of fall out. That Chrysler MS-6395 had changed some of it requirements, so to be approved by MS-6395 Mobil 1 would have to be tested for like two years! I then thought back to when I was at the dealership and I did remember them using Mobil 1. So I was like WTF.. over. Well to get to the point.. I wanted to keep my integrity so I started to look for oils that met the recommendation. I had decided that I was going to use Pennzoil Synthetic Oil, but all along still wanting Mobil 1. Well I just read this today.

This is for Mobil Super (I believe either a non or some sort of half breed synthetic oil).

It is the product description, features and benefits, applications, specifications and approvals. Look what it says about Chrysler MS-6395, under Specifications and Approvals.

Mobil Super

Now, this is Mobil Super Synthetic and look what it says about Chrysler MS-6395, under Specifications and Approvals

Mobil Super™ Synthetic

Now, check this one

Mobil 1 5w-20 Advanced Full Synthetic Engine Oil

***all this will have to be verified by Chrysler of course. I will stay on topic***

m998dna 06-10-2013 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meatball0311 (Post 3843837)
When I heard that Mobil 1 did not meet the MS-6395 specs... I was like... Whaat!? For reals?. So I had read up and came to the understanding that Mobil 1 and Chrysler has some sort of fall out. That Chrysler MS-6395 had changed some of it requirements.

The falling out was during the bankruptcy... I think that Exxon/Mobil placed them on credit hold and stopped shipping them oil. Soon after, Pennzoil Platinum became the SRT8 factory fill, even though the oil fill cap still said "Fill With Mobil 1 0w40 Motor Oil" .. they never changed those probably due to the expense.

The dealers filled with whatever they had in stock... I always bought Mobil 1 even though Pennzoil was spec'd.

I think this was a ploy to keep Pennzoil happy... that's my take on this issue after a lengthy discussion with the parts manager about this during the time - need to remember this was four to five years ago.

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Meatball0311 06-10-2013 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m998dna (Post 3843873)
The falling out was during the bankruptcy... I think that Exxon/Mobil placed them on credit hold and stopped shipping them oil. Soon after, Pennzoil Platinum became the SRT8 factory fill, even though the oil fill cap still said "Fill With Mobil 1 0w-40 Motor Oil" .. they never changed those probably due to the expense.

The dealers filled with whatever they had in stock... I always bought Mobil 1 even though Pennzoil was spec'd.

I think this was a ploy to keep Pennzoil happy... that's my take on this issue after a lengthy disscussion with the parts manager about this during the time - need to remember this was four to five years ago.

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Roger... I copy.

The reason for me posting this is because it seems the Chrysler MS-6395 has given approval to Mobil 1 Super and Mobil 1 Super Synthetic for use. Therefor not effecting any warranties.

However, it has NOT approved Mobil 1 5w20 Advanced Full Synthetic Engine Oil and can still possibly effect your warranty.
Now many of us can get a goodnight sleep now knowing that we can use Mobil 1 without taking a chance on some stupid warranty

MattK 06-10-2013 01:55 AM

Not to be a stickler but the Mobile Super family of oils are not part of the Mobil 1 product line. No Mobil 1 product is certified.

This includes Mobil 1 Extended Performance, High Mileage and of course the regular Mobil 1

Meatball0311 06-10-2013 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattK (Post 3843888)
Not to be a stickler but the Mobile Super family of oils are not part of the Mobil 1 product line. No Mobil 1 product is certified.

This includes Mobil 1 Extended Performance, High Mileage and of course the regular Mobil 1

I just realized this a few minutes ago that they are not Mobil 1. Well since we can't get Mobil 1 due to the certification, then maybe this would be a better alternate brand than the others.

MattK 06-10-2013 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meatball0311 (Post 3843895)
I just realized this a few minutes ago that they are not Mobil 1. Well since we can't get Mobil 1 due to the certification, then maybe this would be a better alternate brand than the others.

Yes, I'd really like to use Mobil 1 as well since I've had success with it in all my other vehicles and can get a good price on a case at CostCoo when it's on sale. I will have to try the Mobile Super Synthetic maybe. I took my JKR in to the dealership last week for it's first oil change since it was free and they use Pennzoil...probably just the basic stuff.

m998dna 06-10-2013 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattK (Post 3843888)
Not to be a stickler but the Mobile Super family of oils are not part of the Mobil 1 product line. No Mobil 1 product is certified.

This includes Mobil 1 Extended Performance, High Mileage and of course the regular Mobil 1

I've been using Mobil 1 High Mileage in my 4.0L ... 180K miles and still runs very strong. All original components with exception to normal wear items.

As far as the certification and effect on factory warranty.. personally I would run Pennzoil conventional or synthetic. Both are good oils that will perform well in this 3.6L motor.

At this point I would be more concerned with other warranty related issues.. like the head design and heat issues. If this motor craps out, it will be due to the design, not the oil. I've had mine running once in 105 degree weather. Not sure yet if this motor likes hot weather.

I'm going to do my own shade tree testing to make sure this motor gets the juices it needs to last more than 10K miles without a head replacement.

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Meatball0311 06-10-2013 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m998dna (Post 3843909)
I've been using Mobil 1 High Mileage in my 4.0L ... 180K miles and still runs very strong. All original components with exception to normal wear items.

As far as the certification and effect on factory warranty.. personally I would run Pennzoil conventional or synthetic. Both are good oils that will perform well in this 3.6L motor.

At this point I would be more concerned with other warranty related issues.. like the head design and heat issues. If this motor craps out, it will be due to the design, not the oil. I've had mine running once in 105 degree weather. Not sure yet if this motor likes hot weather.

I'm going to do my own shade tree testing to make sure this motor gets the juices it needs to last more than 10K miles without a head replacement.

.02

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I just got off the phone with the dealership and they are using Pennzoil. For warranty purposes only.. I am either going with Pennzoil Ultra Ultra-Class Full Synthetic Motor Oil or the Mobil Super Synthetic.

So what is up with the issue of the engine temp? Is there a certain temp that would be hazards to the engine? or would it just simply overheat?

misfit1981 03-23-2015 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattK (Post 3843902)
Yes, I'd really like to use Mobil 1 as well since I've had success with it in all my other vehicles and can get a good price on a case at CostCoo when it's on sale. I will have to try the Mobile Super Synthetic maybe. I took my JKR in to the dealership last week for it's first oil change since it was free and they use Pennzoil...probably just the basic stuff.

I guess I'm dumb for expecting the description on amazon.com to be accurate:
<<Product Description
Mobil 1 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil is recommended for most Ford and Honda vehicles since the 2001 model year. It is also the viscosity grade being recommended for many Chryslers beginning with the 2005 model year. Mobil 1 5W-30 meets or exceeds the requirements of ILSAC GF-4 - energy conserving viscosity that flows quickly during cold starts; API SM/CF, ACEA A1/B1. It is suitable for use in the applications of Ford WSS-M2C930-A, Ford WSS-M2C925-A, and Chrysler MS-6395. >>

And on Mobil1 site:
Chrysler MS-6395 isn't listed...

vjsimone 04-05-2016 08:39 PM

Mobil-1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by misfit1981 (Post 17885617)
I guess I'm dumb for expecting the description on amazon.com to be accurate:
<<Product Description
Mobil 1 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil is recommended for most Ford and Honda vehicles since the 2001 model year. It is also the viscosity grade being recommended for many Chryslers beginning with the 2005 model year. Mobil 1 5W-30 meets or exceeds the requirements of ILSAC GF-4 - energy conserving viscosity that flows quickly during cold starts; API SM/CF, ACEA A1/B1. It is suitable for use in the applications of Ford WSS-M2C930-A, Ford WSS-M2C925-A, and Chrysler MS-6395. >>

And on Mobil1 site:
Chrysler MS-6395 isn't listed...

They have taken MS-6395 off since...;
Specifications and approvals

Mobil 1 5W-30 synthetic motor oil meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API SN, SM, SL, SJ
ILSAC GF-5
Ford WSS-M2C946-A
Ford WSS-M2C929-A
Mobil 1 5W-30 has the following builder approvals:
General Motors Service Fill dexos1™
Honda/Acura HTO-06
Mobil 1 5W-30 is recommended by ExxonMobil for use in applications requiring:
General Motors 4718M
General Motors 6094M

RoadiJeff 04-05-2016 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vjsimone (Post 25055473)
They have taken MS-6395 off since...;
Specifications and approvals

Mobil 1 5W-30 synthetic motor oil meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API SN, SM, SL, SJ
ILSAC GF-5
Ford WSS-M2C946-A
Ford WSS-M2C929-A
Mobil 1 5W-30 has the following builder approvals:
General Motors Service Fill dexos1™
Honda/Acura HTO-06
Mobil 1 5W-30 is recommended by ExxonMobil for use in applications requiring:
General Motors 4718M
General Motors 6094M

I don't see Chrysler listed anywhere in there.

WildCard600 04-05-2016 11:27 PM

I just use valvoline.

milfblaster 04-06-2016 03:16 AM

Mobil1 5W30 almost qualifies as a 20 weight. I put it in a turbo Subaru and was a quart low after 1000 miles. I haven't researched Mobil1 5W20 but I would check the oil often if I was going to try it.

MrSig 04-06-2016 03:55 AM

I have been using Mobil 1 5W-30 Synthetic since my 1st oil change on my 07 I have 84,000 miles and 0 problems.

milfblaster 04-06-2016 09:56 PM

I guess it's not a bad oil but it's very thin for a 30 weight. Lots of 3.8s run 5w20 so I guess it wouldn't be a problem in that application.

sportcoupe 04-07-2016 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milfblaster (Post 25074297)
I guess it's not a bad oil but it's very thin for a 30 weight. Lots of 3.8s run 5w20 so I guess it wouldn't be a problem in that application.

5w30 is not a straight 30 weight oil. It is a multi grade oil that has cold startup flow equal to a 5 weight oil and a high temperature thickness of a 30 weight oil.

milfblaster 04-07-2016 07:54 PM

OK, it barely has the high temperature thickness of a 30 weight oil when fresh. In my experience it quickly sheared down to the high temperature thickness of a 20 weight oil. It may not shear down that fast in the 3.8 but it doesn't really matter anyway since the 3.8 can run 5w20.

jdinny 07-02-2016 12:21 PM

I use Mobil 1 extended service in my '12 JK and '16 JKUWW, as well as everything else we own except our Cummins and TDI, they get Rotella T6.
My ZO6 came factory filled with Mobil 1, come on Chrysler/Fiat, really ?

mcgee10 07-03-2016 05:02 AM

I do love these Mobil 1 decisions. Our Jeep dealer is one of the biggest in our state and there service department has always used Mobil1 for there synthetic oil changes and another thing about the dealer they almost never refuse a warranty claim even in many cases you caused the problem with something you did.

vjsimone 07-04-2016 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meatball0311 (Post 3843837)
When I heard that Mobil 1 did not meet the MS-6395 specs... I was like... Whaat!? For reals?. So I had read up and came to the understanding that Mobil 1 and Chrysler has some sort of fall out. That Chrysler MS-6395 had changed some of it requirements, so to be approved by MS-6395 Mobil 1 would have to be tested for like two years! I then thought back to when I was at the dealership and I did remember them using Mobil 1. So I was like WTF.. over. Well to get to the point.. I wanted to keep my integrity so I started to look for oils that met the recommendation. I had decided that I was going to use Pennzoil Synthetic Oil, but all along still wanting Mobil 1. Well I just read this today.

This is for Mobil Super (I believe either a non or some sort of half breed synthetic oil).

It is the product description, features and benefits, applications, specifications and approvals. Look what it says about Chrysler MS-6395, under Specifications and Approvals.

Mobil Super

Now, this is Mobil Super Synthetic and look what it says about Chrysler MS-6395, under Specifications and Approvals

Mobil Super™ Synthetic

Now, check this one

Mobil 1 5w-20 Advanced Full Synthetic Engine Oil

***all this will have to be verified by Chrysler of course. I will stay on topic***

So, still no certification for 5w-20......

TerryC6 07-04-2016 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vjsimone (Post 26452410)
So, still no certification for 5w-20......

Not for Mobil 1. Mobil Super Synthetic on the other hand is certified.


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