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Meatball0311 06-10-2013 02:08 AM

MS-6395 issue with Mobil 1 update
 
When I heard that Mobil 1 did not meet the MS-6395 specs... I was like... Whaat!? For reals?. So I had read up and came to the understanding that Mobil 1 and Chrysler has some sort of fall out. That Chrysler MS-6395 had changed some of it requirements, so to be approved by MS-6395 Mobil 1 would have to be tested for like two years! I then thought back to when I was at the dealership and I did remember them using Mobil 1. So I was like WTF.. over. Well to get to the point.. I wanted to keep my integrity so I started to look for oils that met the recommendation. I had decided that I was going to use Pennzoil Synthetic Oil, but all along still wanting Mobil 1. Well I just read this today.

This is for Mobil Super (I believe either a non or some sort of half breed synthetic oil).

It is the product description, features and benefits, applications, specifications and approvals. Look what it says about Chrysler MS-6395, under Specifications and Approvals.

Mobil Super

Now, this is Mobil Super Synthetic and look what it says about Chrysler MS-6395, under Specifications and Approvals

Mobil Superô Synthetic

Now, check this one

Mobil 1 5w-20 Advanced Full Synthetic Engine Oil

***all this will have to be verified by Chrysler of course. I will stay on topic***

m998dna 06-10-2013 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Meatball0311 (Post 3843837)
When I heard that Mobil 1 did not meet the MS-6395 specs... I was like... Whaat!? For reals?. So I had read up and came to the understanding that Mobil 1 and Chrysler has some sort of fall out. That Chrysler MS-6395 had changed some of it requirements.

The falling out was during the bankruptcy... I think that Exxon/Mobil placed them on credit hold and stopped shipping them oil. Soon after, Pennzoil Platinum became the SRT8 factory fill, even though the oil fill cap still said "Fill With Mobil 1 0w40 Motor Oil" .. they never changed those probably due to the expense.

The dealers filled with whatever they had in stock... I always bought Mobil 1 even though Pennzoil was spec'd.

I think this was a ploy to keep Pennzoil happy... that's my take on this issue after a lengthy discussion with the parts manager about this during the time - need to remember this was four to five years ago.

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Meatball0311 06-10-2013 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by m998dna (Post 3843873)
The falling out was during the bankruptcy... I think that Exxon/Mobil placed them on credit hold and stopped shipping them oil. Soon after, Pennzoil Platinum became the SRT8 factory fill, even though the oil fill cap still said "Fill With Mobil 1 0w-40 Motor Oil" .. they never changed those probably due to the expense.

The dealers filled with whatever they had in stock... I always bought Mobil 1 even though Pennzoil was spec'd.

I think this was a ploy to keep Pennzoil happy... that's my take on this issue after a lengthy disscussion with the parts manager about this during the time - need to remember this was four to five years ago.

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Roger... I copy.

The reason for me posting this is because it seems the Chrysler MS-6395 has given approval to Mobil 1 Super and Mobil 1 Super Synthetic for use. Therefor not effecting any warranties.

However, it has NOT approved Mobil 1 5w20 Advanced Full Synthetic Engine Oil and can still possibly effect your warranty.
Now many of us can get a goodnight sleep now knowing that we can use Mobil 1 without taking a chance on some stupid warranty

MattK 06-10-2013 02:55 AM

Not to be a stickler but the Mobile Super family of oils are not part of the Mobil 1 product line. No Mobil 1 product is certified.

This includes Mobil 1 Extended Performance, High Mileage and of course the regular Mobil 1

Meatball0311 06-10-2013 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MattK (Post 3843888)
Not to be a stickler but the Mobile Super family of oils are not part of the Mobil 1 product line. No Mobil 1 product is certified.

This includes Mobil 1 Extended Performance, High Mileage and of course the regular Mobil 1

I just realized this a few minutes ago that they are not Mobil 1. Well since we can't get Mobil 1 due to the certification, then maybe this would be a better alternate brand than the others.

MattK 06-10-2013 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Meatball0311 (Post 3843895)
I just realized this a few minutes ago that they are not Mobil 1. Well since we can't get Mobil 1 due to the certification, then maybe this would be a better alternate brand than the others.

Yes, I'd really like to use Mobil 1 as well since I've had success with it in all my other vehicles and can get a good price on a case at CostCoo when it's on sale. I will have to try the Mobile Super Synthetic maybe. I took my JKR in to the dealership last week for it's first oil change since it was free and they use Pennzoil...probably just the basic stuff.

m998dna 06-10-2013 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MattK (Post 3843888)
Not to be a stickler but the Mobile Super family of oils are not part of the Mobil 1 product line. No Mobil 1 product is certified.

This includes Mobil 1 Extended Performance, High Mileage and of course the regular Mobil 1

I've been using Mobil 1 High Mileage in my 4.0L ... 180K miles and still runs very strong. All original components with exception to normal wear items.

As far as the certification and effect on factory warranty.. personally I would run Pennzoil conventional or synthetic. Both are good oils that will perform well in this 3.6L motor.

At this point I would be more concerned with other warranty related issues.. like the head design and heat issues. If this motor craps out, it will be due to the design, not the oil. I've had mine running once in 105 degree weather. Not sure yet if this motor likes hot weather.

I'm going to do my own shade tree testing to make sure this motor gets the juices it needs to last more than 10K miles without a head replacement.

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Meatball0311 06-10-2013 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by m998dna (Post 3843909)
I've been using Mobil 1 High Mileage in my 4.0L ... 180K miles and still runs very strong. All original components with exception to normal wear items.

As far as the certification and effect on factory warranty.. personally I would run Pennzoil conventional or synthetic. Both are good oils that will perform well in this 3.6L motor.

At this point I would be more concerned with other warranty related issues.. like the head design and heat issues. If this motor craps out, it will be due to the design, not the oil. I've had mine running once in 105 degree weather. Not sure yet if this motor likes hot weather.

I'm going to do my own shade tree testing to make sure this motor gets the juices it needs to last more than 10K miles without a head replacement.

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I just got off the phone with the dealership and they are using Pennzoil. For warranty purposes only.. I am either going with Pennzoil Ultra Ultra-Class Full Synthetic Motor Oil or the Mobil Super Synthetic.

So what is up with the issue of the engine temp? Is there a certain temp that would be hazards to the engine? or would it just simply overheat?


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