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NZ-Freebird 06-12-2013 07:35 PM

Almost ready to start my build
 
Well the anticipation is killing me, I have a stock 2006 4.0 Auto and all my parts are due to arrive here Wednesday next week. :punk:
Here is the list:
5 x 33x12.5 KM2
5 x 15x8 Pro Comp 7069
Metalcloak 3.5Ē lift kit
5100 Shocks
Adj track bars from Wooders in Aus (RHD here in NZLHD bars donít fit)
7Ē flares (we have to cover the tread here in NZ)
Advanced Adaptors SYE
TW drive shaft

Regear to come when the bank balance recovers :hide:

Thoughts, comments, advice welcome :popcorn:

NJO 06-12-2013 08:21 PM

5100 Bilsteins with MC's 3.5" lift kit? ..........assuming your running MC's 3.5" springs........doesn't seem like a great match........

NZ-Freebird 06-12-2013 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 3854831)
5100 Bilsteins with MC's 3.5" lift kit? ..........assuming your running MC's 3.5" springs........doesn't seem like a great match........

Can you please explain why :confused:

Cheers

Big Cole 06-12-2013 09:26 PM

Sounds like a solid setup. My bilstein 5100s ride nicely.

NJO 06-12-2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NZ-Freebird (Post 3855080)

Can you please explain why :confused:

Cheers

Bilsteins have poor travel for a given length......5100's especially......only Bilsteens worth it IMO are 5160's......

EMTJEEP 06-12-2013 10:19 PM

That is a good setup and you'll be fine with the 5100's. A lot of people run them and they are one of the top shocks.

NJO 06-12-2013 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EMTJEEP (Post 3855393)
That is a good setup and you'll be fine with the 5100's. A lot of people run them and they are one of the top shocks.

A 5100 is not a top shock. And they have poor travel for a given length. Furthermore long springs like MCs dont match up well with short travel 5100's......i would have spent the money on 5160's.......those match up well to MC springs

jeepwayoflife 06-13-2013 03:28 AM

Yes there are more expensive shocks that will give you better travel, but if you want a good riding jeep with still great flex they are fine. If he's worried about travel something to look at are shocks with an external reservoir like some Fox, King, and rancho shocks. Those are the ones I know for sure but I know there are others.

Its pretty well known that without spending tons of cash, Ranch 9000xl's and Bilstein 5100's are the best riding shocks you can get.


Also, does the lift kit include Sway Bar extensions and disconnects?

n00g7 06-13-2013 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jeepwayoflife (Post 3856061)

Also, does the lift kit include Sway Bar extensions and disconnects?

It's from MC, so yes, they wouldn't sell a non-functional kit.

NJO 06-13-2013 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jeepwayoflife (Post 3856061)
Yes there are more expensive shocks that will give you better travel, but if you want a good riding jeep with still great flex they are fine. If he's worried about travel something to look at are shocks with an external reservoir like some Fox, King, and rancho shocks. Those are the ones I know for sure but I know there are others.

Its pretty well known that without spending tons of cash, Ranch 9000xl's and Bilstein 5100's are the best riding shocks you can get.


Also, does the lift kit include Sway Bar extensions and disconnects?

Its not about how expensive the shocks are, its about how the shocks are valved and how they are matched up to the spring rates at hand.

Making a blanket statement such as brand X and Brand Y are the best riding shocks you can get is nothing more than a wild baseless opinion.

Does the OP or anyone else here know what MC's front and rear spring rates are? Does anyone here know the specs of the 5100's compression and rebound damping characteristics? Does anyone even know how heavy the OP's Wrangler is F/R over a stock setup? :facepalm:

One person's positive opinion gan also be another's negative. I for one would never buy shocks and springs blindly based on others opinions on rigs that 9 out of 10 times probably has completely different equipment which is not an apples to apples comparison.

My experience will Bilstein's is that with STOCK range spring rates they ride a bit on the stiff side........best for smooth highways and roads. But when you run em with springs that are significantly stiffer than stock(MC)and plan to offroad with em then they tend to lose control and fade fast and the ride toes to sh!t until they cool down. Which is why I would have gone with the 5160's. They have a bit more compliance and don't fade. They also have shorter compressed lengths while allowing for much better travel........they match up well with MC springs. Cheaper alternatives that would have worked out better too would have been M95 series shocks from Skyjacker or some of the entry level Fox shocks.

jeepwayoflife 06-13-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 3856393)

My experience will Bilstein's is that with STOCK range spring rates they ride a bit on the stiff side........best for smooth highways and roads. But when you run em with springs that are significantly stiffer than stock(MC)and plan to offroad with em then they tend to lose control and fade fast and the ride toes to sh!t until they cool down. Which is why I would have gone with the 5160's. They have a bit more compliance and don't fade. They also have shorter compressed lengths while allowing for much better travel........they match up well with MC springs. Cheaper alternatives that would have worked out better too would have been M95 series shocks from Skyjacker or some of the entry level Fox shocks.

Thanks for the further explanation of your experience with the two shocks. This to me makes more sense and validates the 5160's better than simply more travel. I have the rancho 9000's and love the ride and my friend has the 5100's on a 3" lift and has a pretty nice ride. I hadn't thought about how a stiffer spring rate would force the shocks to work harder, and that a lighter duty shock would soon overheat and give out until it cools again. Thanks

NJO 06-13-2013 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jeepwayoflife (Post 3857042)
Thanks for the further explanation of your experience with the two shocks. This to me makes more sense and validates the 5160's better than simply more travel. I have the rancho 9000's and love the ride and my friend has the 5100's on a 3" lift and has a pretty nice ride. I hadn't thought about how a stiffer spring rate would force the shocks to work harder, and that a lighter duty shock would soon overheat and give out until it cools again. Thanks

Those Bilstein's the OP chose might work out just fine too for what he does, or what his expectations are. He just asked for feedback and comments. I was just really surprised someone would pick up a pair of Bilsteins in combination with MC springs. Most people who get that long of a spring tend to go with a long travel shock, something Bilstein's aren't known for. Personally I would like to know WHICH part # Bilstein 5100's he got. THey could still be a decent match, but would need to know more about his rig, the bumpstopping he will be required to use, stock fenders or not(is he using MC's fender kits?), added weight to vehicle and so on.

EMTJEEP 06-13-2013 01:16 PM

I guess I should of taken to thought about how long the springs were compared to the shocks travel. And what you said about the 5100s is understandable. But like you said it does depend on what the OP is wanting to do with his rig. Maybe he doesn't need all that up/down travel and just wants the MC kit since it is getting good rep and is a great kit for the price. I know their spring rate is rated for their rigs (MC rigs) that are loaded with all their fenders/bumpers/rockers, so if the OP doesn't have any armor the springs will act differently compared to what they are meant to do. He said he is running 7" flares, so I take it won't be MC fenders.

NJO 06-13-2013 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EMTJEEP (Post 3857317)
I guess I should of taken to thought about how long the springs were compared to the shocks travel. And what you said about the 5100s is understandable. But like you said it does depend on what the OP is wanting to do with his rig. Maybe he doesn't need all that up/down travel and just wants the MC kit since it is getting good rep and is a great kit for the price. I know their spring rate is rated for their rigs (MC rigs) that are loaded with all their fenders/bumpers/rockers, so if the OP doesn't have any armor the springs will act differently compared to what they are meant to do. He said he is running 7" flares, so I take it won't be MC fenders.

Agreed. But if he doesn't need alot of travel, or is flying light the MC springs might not be the best fit for him. I love MC, they make fantastic products, just not sure if those specific springs or spring/shock combo is optimal for his setup/driving/wheeling habits. Either way the MC arms and F/R tb's he has are a really nice foundation.

NZ-Freebird 06-13-2013 03:14 PM

Thanks guys,

It is going to be a developing build, at the moment its stock but it will be getting loaded up at some stage so the aim is a good base and from the reading Iíve been doing it sounds like MC are some of the best parts out there. I really like the fact that the joints are fully enclosed.

The shocks are:
Bilstein 5100 shock absorber; 1997-06 Wrangler TJ w/ 4" lift, front (short arm) bil-24-188180
Bilstein 5100 shock absorber; 1997-06 Wrangler TJ w/ 4" lift, rear (short arm) bil-33-185514
The rig will be 50% show pony :hide: 50% weekend warrior :dance: with the occasional extreme trip :punk:. The long term plan is MC six pack shocks but that will be down the line a bit.
To answer a few of the question raised, yes it will have MC springs and extended sway bar link with disconnects on the front. Long term MC front and rear bars and home made rock rails.
Thanks for the discussion guys very interesting.

NJO 06-13-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NZ-Freebird (Post 3857658)
Thanks guys,

It is going to be a developing build, at the moment its stock but it will be getting loaded up at some stage so the aim is a good base and from the reading Iíve been doing it sounds like MC are some of the best parts out there. I really like the fact that the joints are fully enclosed.

The shocks are:
Bilstein 5100 shock absorber; 1997-06 Wrangler TJ w/ 4" lift, front (short arm) bil-24-188180
Bilstein 5100 shock absorber; 1997-06 Wrangler TJ w/ 4" lift, rear (short arm) bil-33-185514
The rig will be 50% show pony :hide: 50% weekend warrior :dance: with the occasional extreme trip :punk:. The long term plan is MC six pack shocks but that will be down the line a bit.
To answer a few of the question raised, yes it will have MC springs and extended sway bar link with disconnects on the front. Long term MC front and rear bars and home made rock rails.
Thanks for the discussion guys very interesting.

OP: Bypass "quick disconnects"........those suck. You want something that keeps the body from excessive rolling in the rocks. Think along the lines of a Currie Anti-rock, or an ORO dual rate swaybar(ultimate bar for on and offroad).

Concerning those Bilsteins, those will actually work well with your setup in terms of length specifications. 10" travel shocks = good. Since your going to be running stock fenders, you're going to need 2" bumpstopping up front anyway with 33's(You still might need a 1" BL anyway)which you honestly should do one way or the other if you haven't already. So the front 10" travel Bilsteins will work out fine for you.

But will need 3" bumpstopping in the back due to the springs collasped length.........but if your mounting those rear Bilstein's in the stock locations(and that sucks), which is excessive. But there is a cheap solution! :punk: Click on link: Teraflex 1244800 - TeraFlex Rear Upper Shock Adapter & Relocator Kit for 97-06 Jeepģ Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec

With a set of Teraflex upper shock relocation brackets part # 1244800 You will gain an inch back on the compressed length of the shocks and will be able to run only 2" bumpstops out back for a uniform F/R setup. Otherwise your going to be bumpstopping 3" in the back on a 3-4" lift setup.

NZ-Freebird 06-13-2013 04:07 PM

Thanks NJO, I hope you don't mind me asking (and I know posting on forums does not necessarily equal knowledge) but you seem very knowledgeable for someone who has only posted a handful of time, how so? I really donít mean to offend just curious as to the source of your understanding.

Cheers

Davey

NJO 06-13-2013 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NZ-Freebird (Post 3857787)
Thanks NJO, I hope you don't mind me asking (and I know posting on forums does not necessarily equal knowledge) but you seem very knowledgeable for someone who has only posted a handful of time, how so? I really donít mean to offend just curious as to the source of your understanding.

Cheers

Davey

Ive owned my fair share of TJ's and now 2 LJ's. I like well built up rigs with thought in em. I post on 3 other forums regularly......just started on this one.

NZ-Freebird 06-13-2013 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 3857805)
Ive owned my fair share of TJ's and now 2 LJ's. I like well built up rigs with thought in em. I post on 3 other forums regularly......just started on this one.

Cool, thank very much and welcome :wavey:

NZ-Freebird 06-27-2013 02:14 PM

Looks like its time to start work :punk:

https://plus.google.com/photos/10933...84327083424719

NZ-Freebird 06-27-2013 04:14 PM

Sorry all my parts have arrived so it's time to start work, I was going to add some photos but Google plus has done something strange to my Picasa account and I can't figure out how to get the picture url's.

NZ-Freebird 06-27-2013 06:13 PM

Here we go
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-h...0/IMG_0449.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-g...0/IMG_0453.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-h...0/IMG_0451.JPG

:dance: Let the fun begin

NJO 06-28-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NZ-Freebird (Post 3906118)
Here we go

:dance: Let the fun begin

Mc duroflex arms are the best arms out there. Arms with currie jj's dont even come close. ;) you will love em.


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