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Knuckles65 06-17-2013 04:53 AM

Wheel spacer question
 
Are there any ill effects of running a 1.25" wheel spacer on a stock 2013 Rubicon?

The reason I'm asking is I'd like a wider stance for a little better stability/on road handling. I've no plans to lift or do tires in the immediate future (down the line, yes, but right now it's just not in the budget) and was wondering if running spacers on a stock set up would "hurt" anything.

If it's not going to cause any problems, can you suggest a good spacer?

Thanks! :thumb:

kjeeper10 06-17-2013 05:03 AM

Def run a good quality spacer like Spidertrax. Synergy and TF makes them as well.

You will get varying opinions on spacers. Bottom line is they are no different then running a lower back spaced wheel. Preventive maintenance is important. Make sure you loctite and properly torque. You are also required to check the torque by lowering the wrench 10 ft lbs. the wrench should click. If the bolt moves/tightens, re loctite and torque again.

Knuckles65 06-17-2013 05:44 AM

Thanks! So, nothing detrimental. That's good to know! :thumb:

I've been needing a good torque wrench for a while. This gives a good excuse to get one! :hide:

One more question -

In doing research, I've seen "hub"centric and "lug"centric. Synergy, for example, shows different items based on description. What's the difference?

Everything I've read says to get "hub"centric.

kjeeper10 06-17-2013 05:59 AM

Hub centric locate on the hub not the lugs. My St's were hub centric.
I would think you're better off with Hub centric.

SilverSport 06-17-2013 06:04 AM

The SpiderTrax spacers will come with high strength Loc-Tite.

Abnormal-JK 06-17-2013 06:20 AM

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I just did this last week... Hub centric RC 1.5", stock wheels, 265/70/17... made a big difference in ride/handling... have not off roaded it since install yet. I did it for the stance, but also to fit 33's...and wanting to drive it for a few weeks this way before changing out tires so I know what changes what.

Knuckles65 06-17-2013 06:56 AM

Thanks for all the replies!

I figure the "typical" 1.5" spacer should be the outside edge of the tire "flush" with the edge of the fender. It'll be close, but I think it'll work out that way.

Would a 1.25" spacer such as the TF spacer be a better choice since I'll be running stock tires/wheels for a while?

Once I get a lift, it'll be a lift with wheels/tires at the same time so I can ditch the spacers.

kjeeper10 06-17-2013 07:53 AM

Either will work for what you want to do. The 1.50 will be closer to the 4.5 back spacing recommended running bigger tires. Stock is 6.25 iirc. Minus 1.5 = 4.75

Abnormal-JK 06-17-2013 07:56 AM

Putting a 2x4 against the tire from the ground up, center of the wheel, my tires are about 3/4-1" outside the fenders all the way around. I'll be leaving the spacers on once I lift it, only going 2.5" lift. 33's will probably stick out 2" or so...

Knuckles65 06-17-2013 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjeeper10 (Post 3868646)
Either will work for what you want to do. The 1.50 will be closer to the 4.5 back spacing recommended running bigger tires. Stock is 6.25 iirc. Minus 1.5 = 4.75

Thanks so much for the info guys!

I went ahead and ordered a set (4) of Spidertrax 1.5" spacers.

Really appreciate all the advice! :punk:

kjeeper10 06-17-2013 09:05 AM

:thumb:

Abnormal-JK 06-17-2013 09:18 AM

Once you install them, I'd love to hear if you feel any difference in handling/ride... just to make sure it's not all in my head :eek:

Knuckles65 06-17-2013 11:46 AM

Will do! :thumb:

Knuckles65 06-19-2013 04:52 AM

Might be a stupid question -

I'm expecting the spacers by the end of the week and have an installation question or two.

1. What torque spec should these be installed with? I've heard 125 ft-lb and I've heard 90 to 100 ft-lb.

2. This might be a dumb question and I feel stupid for asking but how do you keep the rotor from turning while trying to torque the nuts when the front end is in the air? I figured in the rear, I can use the e-brake from letting the wheel/hub spin. Should I be in 4wd before parking the Jeep to do this?

4DoorCrush 06-19-2013 04:53 AM

Putting in 4wd will keep the front from spinning free

Knuckles65 06-19-2013 05:47 AM

Thanks! :thumb: I kind of figured, but wasn't 100% sure. Now I know! :thumb:

Anyone know the proper torque spec?

Abnormal-JK 06-19-2013 06:20 AM

Did mine to 100... and simply dropped a 1/2" punch into the rotor to keep them from spinning... remember to recheck all lugs after a couple hundred miles.

4DoorCrush 06-19-2013 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnormal-JK (Post 3876582)
Did mine to 100... and simply dropped a 1/2" punch into the rotor to keep them from spinning... remember to recheck all lugs after a couple hundred miles.

Thanks for reminding me! Meant to recheck mine over the weekend and forgot

kjeeper10 06-19-2013 07:47 AM

It's all in the instructions

kappaknight 06-19-2013 08:34 AM

Yeah, it's all in the instructions. IIRC, it's around 90, then 80 to check.

mike1158 06-19-2013 10:33 AM

i pretty sure a set of TF 1.25" are in my future. I already SLIGHTLY upgraged the tires to 275/65-18 Grabbers ...same height as stock... I'm pretty sure i'll never lift it or go with bigger tires.. THe Jeep is actually my work truck.. i do 500-600 miles a week and it is just fine as is for what i need.. I just want to add spacers to widen the stance a bit....

Knuckles65 06-19-2013 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjeeper10 (Post 3876816)
It's all in the instructions

Quote:

Originally Posted by kappaknight (Post 3876928)
Yeah, it's all in the instructions. IIRC, it's around 90, then 80 to check.

Thanks guys. I figured I'd ask and know ahead of time instead of waiting for them to show up and be missing the instructions - which is usually my luck.

Knuckles65 06-21-2013 04:46 AM

So UPS dropped the spacers off (late - after 8PM) last night. I'll be installing them after work today and will let everyone know.

Thanks again for your help and guidance!

Billy Baldone 06-21-2013 06:08 AM

I installd mine almost 5000 miles ago. No problems, and my Jeep handles better. I also put 33x12.5x15 wheels/tires on at the same time. Mine is also Commando Green 2dr. I dont know how to post pics, but if you pm me your number, I can send some pics.
Billy

michiganadam 06-21-2013 07:34 AM

Dont use lugcentric spacers. I run lugcentic wheels but they have to be retorqued a couple times after i change one. Kinda hard to retorque a spacer though lol.

There are disadvantages but other than retorquing the nuts, id say its the same as lower backspace wheels. Which put additional stress on everything connected. I wouldnt worry much about it.

mjpjr45 06-21-2013 12:25 PM

I've had mine for over 8000 miles now, with no problems. I love extra width and it comes in handy when running my 305/70/17s on stock Rubicon wheels.

Knuckles65 06-22-2013 06:34 AM

OK, installed the spacers last night after work. Stupid easy to install and took a total of about an hour. The worst part of the install was removing the clips that hold the brake rotors in place. Two clips on each front rotor, four clips on each rear rotor. 80 to 90 ft-lb torque per the included instructions.

Two observations -

1. I really LOVE the slightly more aggressive look. Why didn't Jeep do this from the factory? :facepalm:

2. The ride does seem more stable. There's a lot of twisty roads in my part of the country and these really help make the Jeep feel more "planted". Even my wife commented on it. :thumb:

Here's a couple pics of "before" and "after".

Before -
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...ps774c4fe1.jpg

After -
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8807c82a.jpg

Front - After -
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...psf2aac4b0.jpg

michiganadam 06-22-2013 08:58 AM

Sometimes i think the excessive backspace from the factory was done to cause us to put bigger tires on them because they knew they looked funny stock........

Your jeep looks very nice with those spacers. Remember to retorque them soon. I would suggest retorquing several times more than the instructions say, to be safe, since there's no way to tell if they're coming loose or not, without pulling the wheels...

I simply bought wheels as the spacers wouldve cost almost as much as the wheels i bought. But i had steel wheels and i have steel wheels now. I might not have done that if i had a rubicon.

kbwwolf 06-22-2013 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjeeper10 (Post 3868384)
Def run a good quality spacer like Spidertrax. Synergy and TF makes them as well.

You will get varying opinions on spacers. Bottom line is they are no different then running a lower back spaced wheel. Preventive maintenance is important. Make sure you loctite and properly torque. You are also required to check the torque by lowering the wrench 10 ft lbs. the wrench should click. If the bolt moves/tightens, re loctite and torque again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjeeper10 (Post 3868447)
Hub centric locate on the hub not the lugs. My St's were hub centric.
I would think you're better off with Hub centric.

^^ This.

Doesn't HAVE to be hub centric, but if I was choosing, that's the way I'd go.

Knuckles65 06-22-2013 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michiganadam (Post 3888123)
Sometimes i think the excessive backspace from the factory was done to cause us to put bigger tires on them because they knew they looked funny stock........

Your jeep looks very nice with those spacers. Remember to retorque them soon. I would suggest retorquing several times more than the instructions say, to be safe, since there's no way to tell if they're coming loose or not, without pulling the wheels...

I simply bought wheels as the spacers wouldve cost almost as much as the wheels i bought. But i had steel wheels and i have steel wheels now. I might not have done that if i had a rubicon.

Thanks. I debated on doing this for a while but have decided that even when I upgrade tires, I'll most likely keep the same wheels. I plan to re-torque after 100 miles, then after 300 more miles. After that, I think I should be good. I used lock-tite, too. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbwwolf (Post 3888128)
^^ This.

Doesn't HAVE to be hub centric, but if I was choosing, that's the way I'd go.

Yep - the Spidertrax spacers are HUB-centric. It's the only way I would have done it. I used lug-centric when I had a Ford Ranger and hated the way they mounted and how the truck drove after I installed them.


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