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Ducster 06-18-2013 12:13 AM

Clutch or Transmission problem?
 
1997 Jeep Wrangler SE
4 Cylinder
Manual Transmission
162k


Hello folks, This is my first jeep but from what I've been reading, this seems to have the most knowledgable folks on issues.

Here's my issue:
I do not have any problems shifting in and out of gears and it shifts smoothly. The problems start within the first 20 or so minutes. After the jeep warms up and I stop at a light or stop sign, the jeep feels like I'm starting in 3rd gear or acts as if it were my first time driving a manual transmission. It has a "shudder" type feel (thats the best way to describe it). I'm still able to shift into and through the gears without problems but I find myself shifting immediately into 2nd gear to get out of the shudder. After it sits for a while and I drive it again, it works like a champ until it warms back up again. I'm not too sure as to what the problem is but it does have me concerned because I don't have that immediate "get out of the way" ability due to the problem. I was thinking it could be a clutch or transmission issue but thats why I came here to the pro's. Any direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for the help!

Duc

steveo8x8 06-18-2013 01:58 AM

i have the exact same problem. it only comes up after the jeep is warmed up and driven a couple miles and only in first gear does it ever shutter. it shifts just fine but i feel just like you stated, like I just learned how to drive stick i cant stand it

apannone 06-18-2013 05:08 AM

Does the shudder still happen once you have the clutch completely out and are in first gear? Have you noticed if it's worse on an uphill? If you give it more gas does the shudder improve or get worse? Answering some of these questions might help. Does your jeep make a noise while you have the clutch in, almost like a whining noise?

steveo8x8 06-18-2013 12:01 PM

No it happens as you are letting the clutch out right after it engages but it is not all of the way out yet, Once it has started shuttering the more gas I use usually makes it worse. Uphill is usually when I notice it the most. It never does it when I start the jeep after it has sat for an hour or 2 but once it is all warm is when it always starts.

Big Sarge 06-18-2013 12:04 PM

Probably in need of a new clutch. I personally would do clutch, pressure plate, and throw out bearing while you are in there. To test your clutch, pull your e-brake put the Jeep in third gear and let out on the clutch like you want to drive it. You will probably find that you have very little bog down, and if that's the case you are definitely in need of a clutch.

steveo8x8 06-18-2013 12:11 PM

So why is it that I only have the problem in first but don't feel it as I am driving with any other gear? I forgot to mention that if the jeep is still rolling when I go to let out in first it doesn't do it as bad or at all sometimes.

Big Sarge 06-18-2013 12:13 PM

torque!

steveo8x8 06-18-2013 12:15 PM

Gotcha. So a new clutch assembly should solve the problem? And the e brake test will tell me for sure?

Big Sarge 06-18-2013 12:19 PM

If what you are describing is indeed the clutch then yes a new clutch will solve your problem. The ebrake test I learned from my father when I was a teenager looking for used cars to buy. Throughout my 17 years of buying used cars (in excess of 20 of them) I have steered away from about 5 cars due to this "test" failing, thus telliing me it needed a clutch. I bought one after it failed because the guy was honest up front and told me that it needed a clutch.

steveo8x8 06-18-2013 12:40 PM

awesome thanks so much! i will give it a shot!

Jerry Bransford 06-18-2013 12:46 PM

Avoid the high-dollar clutch kits like from Centerforce which have no benefit for a Wrangler. A Luk clutch is highly recommended and a complete Luk kit can be found for under $150, sometimes even for less than $100 on some sites like eBay, maybe Amazon. A Luk clutch can last over 200k miles even with some abuse, the kit includes a new clutch disk, throwout bearing, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and pilot shaft.

Ducster 06-18-2013 01:14 PM

Thank you steveo8x8, you have asked all the same questions I would have. You and I definately have the same issue.

Thanks to the folks who have replied to this thread, you guys are awesome. Looks like a new clutch for me.

Thanks again folks!

Duc

steveo8x8 06-18-2013 07:02 PM

very good thanks guys! and ya the exact same problem haha

Water Dog 06-18-2013 09:20 PM

When you do your clutch, check the front of your transmission for any gear oil seepage. It may need a new seal. The symtoms you described are typical of oil being on a friction surface like a clutch plate or brake pad. Once heated they get sticky. It could also be engine oil, but not as likely as the flywheel kind of protects the clutch from that.

Just put a Luk clutch in my Jeep last week...smoooooth, happy happy :punk:

lolitsdaelan 06-19-2013 11:15 AM

So glad I found this thread, I have this exact issue! Just another task to add to the list...

steveo8x8 06-19-2013 03:39 PM

I know just have to find the time!

patrickstarfox 06-19-2013 03:45 PM

yep. i just bought a luk clutch kit with disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing and throwout bearing. got it from amazon. $117 with free 3 day shipping. cant beat that deal. good luck!

steveo8x8 06-19-2013 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickstarfox (Post 3878218)
yep. i just bought a luk clutch kit with disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing and throwout bearing. got it from amazon. $117 with free 3 day shipping. cant beat that deal. good luck!

Can u post the link to it!

patrickstarfox 06-19-2013 06:01 PM

well, here is the one that i got. but i have a 6 cyl 4.0L so idk if this one will fit yours too, or if you might have to click around a little and find one thats right for the 2.5. hope that helps

Amazon.com: Luk Clutches And Flywheels 05-065 Clutch Kits: Automotive

steveo8x8 06-19-2013 06:54 PM

I have a 1998 sahara 4.0 5 speed so this should fit mine too right?
Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickstarfox (Post 3878632)
well, here is the one that i got. but i have a 6 cyl 4.0L so idk if this one will fit yours too, or if you might have to click around a little and find one thats right for the 2.5. hope that helps

Amazon.com: Luk Clutches And Flywheels 05-065 Clutch Kits: Automotive


Water Dog 06-19-2013 07:03 PM

Bought mine here: 1994-1995, 1997-2006 Jeep Wrangler Clutch Kit - LUK 05-065 - - PartsGeek.com for less than $100 and free shipping. I noticed after I ordered it that their reviews weren't all stellar, but mine came in about 3 days with no issues.

patrickstarfox 06-19-2013 07:08 PM

Yep. I installed mine no problem. Can't say if its any good or not just yet, because I don't get my transmission back till tomorrow. Lol. But that ought a do it.


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