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wyant93 06-24-2013 11:34 PM

Wrangler TJ Shopping advice
 
Right now I've got my eye on a few Wranglers and have set up times to check them out but I would just like a little insight from current owners on what I should look for, what to be concerned about, and overall preferences and thoughts on what my first Jeep Wrangler should be!

I'm currently eyeing a 2002 APEX model with an I6 and a 5 spd tranny, full steel doors and a soft-top. It's got 107,000 miles on it and they are asking for $9,000. Tires are low on tread, and there is a crack in the windshield, so is $7,5 a fair price to try and get it down too? Also that brings me to my next question... it has 15" Cragar wheels and a lift (not sure how high) what tires do you suggest replacing the old ones with if I do end up buying? Right now it has 32" x 11.5" x 15" Tires.

Thanks ya'll :thumb:

coelement777 06-24-2013 11:38 PM

If you are anywhere near colorado I have a 97 TJ sport 4.0 5 speed with 102k on it. half doors bestop sliding windows and a hard top. No a/c. brand new 235/75/15 bfg at/ko tires with less then 1500 miles on them. I would let it go for $6750 cash. edit- it comes with 2 sets of windows, the bestop sliders and the factory soft plastic windows as well as a brand new set of black fender flares to replace the gray ones that i have not had time to install https://imageshack.com/a/img59/6906/photogss.jpg

kyle32 06-25-2013 01:24 AM

asking 9 and offering 7.5 is a little rude imo.. be it wort 7.5 in your area or not

in my area that is about 10k(maybe more with the lift) so they took off a little bit for the windshild and tires.. 9k isnt bad if it rides nice and you like it offer 8.5 if he takes it good.. if not then walk i have been looking for a year.. think i finely found the "one" test drove it other day and going to test drive it agen and start talking numbers soon

krisbman 06-25-2013 01:27 AM

Offer me 7500 when im askin 9000 and im tellin you to get off my property

coelement777 06-25-2013 01:37 AM

and yeah if you cant come close find something else. if someone offered me $1500 less then im asking for mine i wouldnt even respond

jeepers29 06-25-2013 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by coelement777 (Post 3896776)
and yeah if you cant come close find something else. If someone offered me $1500 less then im asking for mine i wouldnt even respond

x2

You are better off stating that you think the price is a little out of your comfort range and ask what his bottom line price would be.

jickey 06-25-2013 07:50 AM

Really guys? Rude? It's called negotiating. Pretty much the norm here in the sunny southeast - you ask high, I offer low, you meet in the middle. Anyone offended at an offer can always say no and go on.

I think I got lucky. I jumped out of my truck with a pocket full of cash in an envelope ($500 less than asking price, with the other 500 in the opposite pocket.) PO jumped out of my Jeep immediately saying he'd take $1000 less than asking price. To say I was stunned was an understatement (we're both computer geeks, I guess he didn't Google "negotiating" before showing up like I did...)

I said that to say this - you don't know extenuating circumstances, and sometimes you get lucky. Offer what you're willing to pay and if the seller doesn't bite, you have two decisions - are you willing to increase your budget or do you want to keep searching? There are a lot of Jeeps in the world, and one of them has to have your name written all over it :)

Zdrisko 06-25-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wyant93 (Post 3896589)
Right now I've got my eye on a few Wranglers and have set up times to check them out but I would just like a little insight from current owners on what I should look for, what to be concerned about, and overall preferences and thoughts on what my first Jeep Wrangler should be!

I'm currently eyeing a 2002 APEX model with an I6 and a 5 spd tranny, full steel doors and a soft-top. It's got 107,000 miles on it and they are asking for $9,000. Tires are low on tread, and there is a crack in the windshield, so is $7,5 a fair price to try and get it down too? Also that brings me to my next question... it has 15" Cragar wheels and a lift (not sure how high) what tires do you suggest replacing the old ones with if I do end up buying? Right now it has 32" x 11.5" x 15" Tires.

Thanks ya'll :thumb:

You're spending $1,200 right from the start on tires and glass.
Keep in mind Jeeps have their own pricing. If the seller isn't willing to come down on price, walk away.
I wouldn't even consider buying any coastal Jeeps, they'll be rust buckets.
Get dirty and look it over from top to bottom. The last thing you want is an $8500 project.
$8k-9k for an '02, it'd had better be flawless.
If they're wanting to sell, they'll take the cash and run.

grogcummins 06-25-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jickey (Post 3897116)
Really guys? Rude? It's called negotiating. Pretty much the norm here in the sunny southeast - you ask high, I offer low, you meet in the middle. Anyone offended at an offer can always say no and go on.

I think I got lucky. I jumped out of my truck with a pocket full of cash in an envelope ($500 less than asking price, with the other 500 in the opposite pocket.) PO jumped out of my Jeep immediately saying he'd take $1000 less than asking price. To say I was stunned was an understatement (we're both computer geeks, I guess he didn't Google "negotiating" before showing up like I did...)

I said that to say this - you don't know extenuating circumstances, and sometimes you get lucky. Offer what you're willing to pay and if the seller doesn't bite, you have two decisions - are you willing to increase your budget or do you want to keep searching? There are a lot of Jeeps in the world, and one of them has to have your name written all over it :)

This for the win . . . and not just a SE thing. Like my dad always said, the worst they'll say is "no" . . .

kshaws21 06-25-2013 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by coelement777 (Post 3896598)
If you are anywhere near colorado I have a 97 TJ sport 4.0 5 speed with 102k on it. half doors bestop sliding windows and a hard top. No a/c. brand new 235/75/15 bfg at/ko tires with less then 1500 miles on them. I would let it go for $6750 cash. edit- it comes with 2 sets of windows, the bestop sliders and the factory soft plastic windows as well as a brand new set of black fender flares to replace the gray ones that i have not had time to install

Ignore..... I didn't fully read before responding.

VTBalla34 06-25-2013 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by grogcummins (Post 3897274)

This for the win . . . and not just a SE thing. Like my dad always said, the worst they'll say is "no" . . .

This is very cultural. Where I'm from in the mountains of the south haggling just doesn't happen. It seems to be more prevalent and even expected in other areas or cultures (middle east, Latin American especially). But where I grew up its just assumed the person selling something knows its worth and has put thought into the price, and to offer him something less is considered a slight. There are obviously exceptions to every rule though.

Personally I hate haggling and always get a chuckle at peoples' reactions when they are buying something from me on CL where I'm at now (the big city yeee haw lol) and they try to offer me less and I just give them a stone faced 'no' with no further explanation.

kshaws21 06-25-2013 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by VTBalla34 (Post 3897497)

This is very cultural. Where I'm from in the deep south haggling just doesn't happen. It seems to be more prevalent and even expected in other areas or cultures (middle east, Latin American especially). But where I grew up its just assumed the person selling something knows its worth and has put thought into the price, and to offer him something less is considered a slight. There are obviously exceptions to every rule though.

Huh? What part of the deep south are you from? Here in Ga, haggling is a way of life when buying from private sellers.

WVU Mountainman 06-25-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kshaws21 (Post 3897722)

Huh? What part of the deep south are you from? Here in Ga, haggling is a way of life when buying from private sellers.

I agree. Hell I even call and request discounts on medical bills. If you pay in full they will give you an automatic 20% off. Crap last time I was in an outdoor store I found some camo netting out of the package... I didn't need it but told my wife, watch this..... I asked for a discpunt since it had no packaging, got a $19 net for $10.

When we bought our new mattress a asked for a discount if I pay in full. they firmly said no. I said ok let's finance. As we were filling out the paperwork I said I'm sure you would rather have your money now, and said throw in 2 memory foam pillows and ill pay cash now. They said we will throw in one free pillow, so I got a $100 pillow for free.

I'm a sourcing Rep for my job so I haggle on a daily basis to get my Co. The best deals. Everyone should do it. Sure you run across people that won't deal, just move on and find someone that will. Chances are the people that won't come down eventually will cave as better deals can always be found. If someone is offended by my request for lower prices I chuckle to myself and move on. I always get good deals. Just be confident and persistent. After all it is your money.

VTBalla34 06-25-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WVU Mountainman (Post 3897782)

I agree. Hell I even call and request discounts on medical bills. If you pay in full they will give you an automatic 20% off. Crap last time I was in an outdoor store I found some camo netting out of the package... I didn't need it but told my wife, watch this..... I asked for a discpunt since it had no packaging, got a $19 net for $10.

When we bought our new mattress a asked for a discount if I pay in full. they firmly said no. I said ok let's finance. As we were filling out the paperwork I said I'm sure you would rather have your money now, and said throw in 2 memory foam pillows and ill pay cash now. They said we will throw in one free pillow, so I got a $100 pillow for free.

I'm a sourcing Rep for my job so I haggle on a daily basis to get my Co. The best deals. Everyone should do it. Sure you run across people that won't deal, just move on and find someone that will. Chances are the people that won't come down eventually will cave as better deals can always be found. If someone is offended by my request for lower prices I chuckle to myself and move on. I always get good deals. Just be confident and persistent. After all it is your money.

I feel like there's a difference between private and public sellers. I'd have no problem doing this at a retail store but not really for a private sale.

VTBalla34 06-25-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kshaws21 (Post 3897722)

Huh? What part of the deep south are you from? Here in Ga, haggling is a way of life when buying from private sellers.

You quoted me before my edit went through. I realized after its not really the deep south (although where I'm currently at on DC its just easier to tell people that it is lol) but Southwest VA in the mountains near KY and TN. That sort of thing just doesn't really happen much there for private sales IME.

WVU Mountainman 06-25-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VTBalla34 (Post 3897845)

I feel like there's a difference between private and public sellers. I'd have no problem doing this at a retail store but not really for a private sale.

Maybe I'm strange. I do it to private sellers as well. I went with my buddy to get a four wheeler from a private party and he negotiated them down $100 and I negotiated them down another $400 while he test rode it.

VTBalla34 06-25-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by WVU Mountainman (Post 3897883)

Maybe I'm strange. I do it to private sellers as well. I went with my buddy to get a four wheeler from a private party and he negotiated them down $100 and I negotiated them down another $400 while he test rode it.

Haha well maybe its just my people that are weird about that then.

Its to the point when my dad passed away this winter I was trying to sell off stuff from his farm. He had a LOT of stuff. Stuff that I would have no earthly idea the value of. How much do you sell a 20 year old kerosene pump for? That kinda stuff.

I had people that were interested in stuff that I would have let go for whatever they wanted to offer but a few of them were still hesitant to make one lest I found it insulting lol. It was strange to say the least but people have been that way there for as long as I remember.

sinbob 06-25-2013 12:21 PM

I looked for over a year for my jeep. Knew just what I wanted a Rubicon with an I6 and 6sp which meant an 05 or 06.
I found a later model 06 with 103k on it....book was 23k, I walked out the door with it at 17k, with new 35's and a new soft top.
Since then I have probly sunk another 10k into it...lift, gears, bumpers, winch, steering, armor....etc, etc,etc.

JEEP = just empty every pocket:dance:

Knok46 06-25-2013 12:23 PM

There is a big difference between negotiating and low balling. Before you even consider bringing down someone's price make sure you seen and test drive the vehicle. Is best to struck a relationship with seller. Prior to changing there price.

Terry J 06-25-2013 12:28 PM

Here in Memphis and surrounding areas haggling is a way of life as well. Ive never bought something i didnt haggle on. Or sold something for that matter. Nothing offensive about it. Ive been offered some really low prices on my things and all i do is say nope cant do it. If they dont want to go up then im sure someone out there will. No skin off my back.

WVU Mountainman 06-25-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by VTBalla34 (Post 3897910)

Haha well maybe its just my people that are weird about that then.

Its to the point when my dad passed away this winter I was trying to sell off stuff from his farm. He had a LOT of stuff. Stuff that I would have no earthly idea the value of. How much do you sell a 20 year old kerosene pump for? That kinda stuff.

I had people that were interested in stuff that I would have let go for whatever they wanted to offer but a few of them were still hesitant to make one lest I found it insulting lol. It was strange to say the least but people have been that way there for as long as I remember.

I understand this point as well. If I feel I am getting a good deal, I do not even try negotiating. Around here people always place ads high to leave room for negotiation. Knowing that for larger items around here gives you an edge over an outsider. If you place you items for sale at a high price, sometimes people will not negotiate and the seller wins. Bartering is huge here in WV as well. People always trading guns for 4-wheelers, etc. I once traded a lawn mower for a toolbox for my F150. The best one I know of is my neighbor traded a skunk that he trapped for $80 worth of antique saw blades.

VTBalla34 06-25-2013 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WVU Mountainman (Post 3897938)

I understand this point as well. If I feel I am getting a good deal, I do not even try negotiating. Around here people always place ads high to leave room for negotiation. Knowing that for larger items around here gives you an edge over an outsider. If you place you items for sale at a high price, sometimes people will not negotiate and the seller wins. Bartering is huge here in WV as well. People always trading guns for 4-wheelers, etc. I once traded a lawn mower for a toolbox for my F150. The best one I know of is my neighbor traded a skunk that he trapped for $80 worth of antique saw blades.

LOL we barter as well and there is obviously a degree of haggling that occurs there as each person decides the worth of their wares. That is pretty funny about the skunk.

All Terrain JK 06-25-2013 12:56 PM

Here in Michigan if I want to sell something for a $1000 I'll advertise for $1250 or $1300. Conversely if I'm buying and it's $1250 I'll expect to purchase at around $1000. Some buyers will ask your bottom dollar over the phone without even looking at the item.
Two weeks ago my son and I drove two hours one way to look at an 03 tub. The asking price on CL was $600. It's from GA and spotless, a rare find here. The CL post was 10 days old so after inspecting I offered him $450. He countered $500 and we agreed on $475. I had and would've paid $600. It's probably worth at least $900 but he was happy to have the money and me the tub.

n00g7 06-25-2013 01:00 PM

Lol... you send them an email, or call, and say 7500. You don't waste their time to lowball. But you tell them to give you a call back if they come down on the price and you'll check it out.

If they're willing to deal they call you back, you show up, test it, and take it for 8250 out the door. Done deal. Offering low is only a dick move if you pretend you're going to buy it for the full price while wasting their time and then throw out the low ball.

Zdrisko 06-25-2013 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wyant93 (Post 3896589)
Right now I've got my eye on a few Wranglers and have set up times to check them out but I would just like a little insight from current owners on what I should look for, what to be concerned about, and overall preferences and thoughts on what my first Jeep Wrangler should be!

I'm currently eyeing a 2002 APEX model with an I6 and a 5 spd tranny, full steel doors and a soft-top. It's got 107,000 miles on it and they are asking for $9,000. Tires are low on tread, and there is a crack in the windshield, so is $7,5 a fair price to try and get it down too? Also that brings me to my next question... it has 15" Cragar wheels and a lift (not sure how high) what tires do you suggest replacing the old ones with if I do end up buying? Right now it has 32" x 11.5" x 15" Tires.

Thanks ya'll :thumb:

In most states, especially with any sort of inspection, you cannot legally sell a vehicle with a broken windshield.
Again despite what most are saying, there's always those that believe what they have is gold and what you have is garbage.

kshaws21 06-25-2013 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VTBalla34 (Post 3897851)

You quoted me before my edit went through. I realized after its not really the deep south (although where I'm currently at on DC its just easier to tell people that it is lol) but Southwest VA in the mountains near KY and TN. That sort of thing just doesn't really happen much there for private sales IME.

Yea you're over 500 miles north of me, I guess you are a "northern southerner"....

When I bought my daughters car from a seller on CL I offered about 15% less than they were asking and immediately they accepted. Since there really wasn't any negotiating, I was disappointed I didn't offer less.

I feel negotiating is the way to go. When I sell a vehicle, I always ask $500-$1000 more than I really want, that way when they offer me $1000 less than the asking price, I still get what I actually wanted.


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