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TrueBlueJK 06-27-2013 08:49 AM

Who upgraded steering stabilizer after going with bigger tires?
 
After upgrading to bigger wheels and tires I can see how the steering changes a bit. You guys think it's worth swapping the stocker out?

tabber02 06-27-2013 08:59 AM

you're better off swapping out the stock track bar for an adjustable track bar... like the TeraFlex Monster Forged Adjustable Front Track Bar

you'll clean up / tighten up your steering more from that mod than you would from the steering stabilizer.... if you have the coin, then i'd recommend doing both yeah - it's what i did... :whistling: i went with the TF track bar and a Synergy Stabilizer (Fox 2.0 - for Synergy). :thumb: and a grade 8 bolt kit... if you haven't already done it...

kjeeper10 06-27-2013 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tabber02 (Post 3904300)
you're better off swapping out the stock track bar for an adjustable track bar... like the TeraFlex Monster Forged Adjustable Front Track Bar

you'll clean up / tighten up your steering more from that mod than you would from the steering stabilizer.... if you have the coin, then i'd recommend doing both yeah - it's what i did... :whistling: i went with the TF track bar and a Synergy Stabilizer (Fox 2.0 - for Synergy). :thumb: and a grade 8 bolt kit... if you haven't already done it...

Agreed...... :)

redbilly 06-27-2013 09:05 AM

I think that most will agree that a properly set up rig does not actually even need a steering stabilizer. (This could depend on how big your tires are, though.) The stabilizer masks others issues or discrepancies in the front end. If your bushings aren't worn, your axles are lined up, and you are torqued to the proper spec, the stock stabilizer should work just fine!

DC Dennis 06-27-2013 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by redbilly (Post 3904323)
I think that most will agree that a properly set up rig does not actually even need a steering stabilizer. (This could depend on how big your tires are, though.) The stabilizer masks others issues or discrepancies in the front end. If your bushings aren't worn, your axles are lined up, and you are torqued to the proper spec, the stock stabilizer should work just fine!

Totally true





















However an oldschool white Rancho with a red boot does look good peeking out under there. ;) But, it is a cosmetic thing more than any performance/comfort gain.

TrueBlueJK 06-27-2013 09:44 AM

Awesome, thanks for the info guys! I only did a leveling kit so I could fit the 305 70 17's, do you think an updated track bar is necessary for my situation?

DC Dennis 06-27-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TrueBlueJK (Post 3904454)
Awesome, thanks for the info guys! I only did a leveling kit so I could fit the 305 70 17's, do you think an updated track bar is necessary for my situation?

I just did spacers on my XJ years ago, very minor lift, within weeks I had to replace the trackbar bolt, and upgraded it altogether soon after. Necessary? Maybe not, but it won't hurt to go ahead and switch it.

michiganadam 06-27-2013 09:56 AM

I did

redbilly 06-27-2013 09:58 AM

Yep. Even with a leveling kit, you are still raising up the chassis 2 inches or more thus increasing the distance from the body to the axles. Since the stock trackbars are a fixed length, something has to move. That something is your axles. Adjustables will line everything back up and give you the chance to ensure proper torque. I would make that your next mod before I did a stabilizer. Mine are JKS on the front and rear. Very stout, extremely happy with the results!

TrueBlueJK 06-27-2013 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by redbilly (Post 3904500)
Yep. Even with a leveling kit, you are still raising up the chassis 2 inches or more thus increasing the distance from the body to the axles. Since the stock trackbars are a fixed length, something has to move. That something is your axles. Adjustables will line everything back up and give you the chance to ensure proper torque. I would make that your next mod before I did a stabilizer. Mine are JKS on the front and rear. Very stout, extremely happy with the results!

Exactly the advice I was looking for :thumb:

michiganadam 06-27-2013 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabber02 (Post 3904300)
you're better off swapping out the stock track bar for an adjustable track bar... like the TeraFlex Monster Forged Adjustable Front Track Bar

you'll clean up / tighten up your steering more from that mod than you would from the steering stabilizer.... if you have the coin, then i'd recommend doing both yeah - it's what i did... :whistling: i went with the TF track bar and a Synergy Stabilizer (Fox 2.0 - for Synergy). :thumb: and a grade 8 bolt kit... if you haven't already done it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbilly (Post 3904500)
Yep. Even with a leveling kit, you are still raising up the chassis 2 inches or more thus increasing the distance from the body to the axles. Since the stock trackbars are a fixed length, something has to move. That something is your axles. Adjustables will line everything back up and give you the chance to ensure proper torque. I would make that your next mod before I did a stabilizer. Mine are JKS on the front and rear. Very stout, extremely happy with the results!

and shocks and control arms and a drag link and .........

J33P4M3 06-27-2013 10:06 AM

I just took delivery of the Teraflex HD trackbar for my upcoming lift using a 2.5" lift and 35" Nitto Trail Grapplers. The video that Teraflex has on the trackbar shows just how much pressure is exerted on the factory trackbar when turning much heavier tires/wheels. Well for the price in my opinion. Also should help prevent death wobble.

Matador 06-27-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by redbilly (Post 3904323)
I think that most will agree that a properly set up rig does not actually even need a steering stabilizer. (This could depend on how big your tires are, though.) The stabilizer masks others issues or discrepancies in the front end. If your bushings aren't worn, your axles are lined up, and you are torqued to the proper spec, the stock stabilizer should work just fine!

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Originally Posted by DC Dennis (Post 3904408)
Totally true

However an oldschool white Rancho with a red boot does look good peeking out under there. ;) But, it is a cosmetic thing more than any performance/comfort gain.


Technically what you guys are saying is true but theres more to it than that. If everything is set up correctly, you can pull the stabilizer off and drive around... but you wouldn't really want to. A steering stabilizer only function is to absorb impacts to the steering system. Similar to how your shocks are designed to absorb impacts, the stabilizer helps "Stabilize" your steering, in really straight forward terms. This is especially noticeable on 2-door jeeps that are more affected by cross wind drifts and "bump steer" due to the shorter wheel base. A 4 door is more firmly planted on the ground and isn't as affected, which is why there is this misleading information that SS are useless.

I disliked the loose steering my Jeep had from the start. The conditions I mentioned above where magnified when I went to 35's as the steering became even more sensitive. My leveling kit was tuned in perfectly, I was just experiencing more of the negative steering experience as before. Thats when I decided to try the Fox ATS stabilizer. Something that most people on the forum consider a ridiculous expense. I'm glad I did as it totally changed the steering response on my Jeep. I no longer have that loose disconnected steering response or have issues with bump steer or wind drifts. The stabilizer does its thing by stabilizing the Jeeps steering. Check out my review for videos and a more in depth explanation

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/fox...ew-249217.html

michiganadam 06-27-2013 10:31 AM

Yes, i drive 65 miles to work, ONE WAY. There's no way in hell i'd want to do that without a stabilizer.

I put an upgraded stabilizer on for two reasons. The stock one was destroyed. And it looked like a hood strut. That thing has no business on a jeep whatsoever. I have a rancho.

Dont forget we should be running aftermarket ball joints and tie rod ends as well.

TrueBlueJK 06-27-2013 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Matador (Post 3904571)
Technically what you guys are saying is true but theres more to it than that. If everything is set up correctly, you can pull the stabilizer off and drive around... but you wouldn't really want to. A steering stabilizer only function is to absorb impacts to the steering system. Similar to how your shocks are designed to absorb impacts, the stabilizer helps "Stabilize" your steering, in really straight forward terms. This is especially noticeable on 2-door jeeps that are more affected by cross wind drifts and "bump steer" due to the shorter wheel base. A 4 door is more firmly planted on the ground and isn't as affected, which is why there is this misleading information that SS are useless.

I disliked the loose steering my Jeep had from the start. The conditions I mentioned above where magnified when I went to 35's as the steering became even more sensitive. My leveling kit was tuned in perfectly, I was just experiencing more of the negative steering experience as before. Thats when I decided to try the Fox ATS stabilizer. Something that most people on the forum consider a ridiculous expense. I'm glad I did as it totally changed the steering response on my Jeep. I no longer have that loose disconnected steering response or have issues with bump steer or wind drifts. The stabilizer does its thing by stabilizing the Jeeps steering. Check out my review for videos and a more in depth explanation

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/fox...ew-249217.html

What makes the FOX unit better than the others?

JeepHerz 06-27-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Matador (Post 3904571)
Technically what you guys are saying is true but theres more to it than that. If everything is set up correctly, you can pull the stabilizer off and drive around... but you wouldn't really want to. A steering stabilizer only function is to absorb impacts to the steering system. Similar to how your shocks are designed to absorb impacts, the stabilizer helps "Stabilize" your steering, in really straight forward terms. This is especially noticeable on 2-door jeeps that are more affected by cross wind drifts and "bump steer" due to the shorter wheel base. A 4 door is more firmly planted on the ground and isn't as affected, which is why there is this misleading information that SS are useless.

I disliked the loose steering my Jeep had from the start. The conditions I mentioned above where magnified when I went to 35's as the steering became even more sensitive. My leveling kit was tuned in perfectly, I was just experiencing more of the negative steering experience as before. Thats when I decided to try the Fox ATS stabilizer. Something that most people on the forum consider a ridiculous expense. I'm glad I did as it totally changed the steering response on my Jeep. I no longer have that loose disconnected steering response or have issues with bump steer or wind drifts. The stabilizer does its thing by stabilizing the Jeeps steering. Check out my review for videos and a more in depth explanation

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/fox...ew-249217.html

X2. Totally agree. I have the 2.0 Fox stabilizer (only slightly adjustable) and it makes a difference. I commented on his post above. I broke mine without knowing right about the time I got new (bigger) tires. I didn't like the way my Jeep was driving (Jumpiness/looseness) but I just figured it was the taller sidewall. I finally understood why the guys I wheel with drive slowly on the freeway. Have you ever heard people say they don't drive fast on the freeway because their Jeep feels bouncy or unstable? And they just consider it a Jeep thing? That is what a steering stabilizer will correct. Once I fixed my stabilizer driving was back to normal- better than stock.
Its not necessary but still has benefits to even a properly set-up 2 door Jeep. Not just as a band aid for other issues. But not everyone cares about the loose steering feel- so like anything else its subjective.

TrueBlueJK 06-27-2013 01:59 PM

To be honest, after listening to the advice in this thread I think the upgraded track bar will make a much bigger difference in the steering than just swapping out the stabilizer. You can see how much stress is on the track bar and how a heavy duty upgrade will be beneficial.

michiganadam 06-27-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JeepHerz (Post 3905108)
X2. Totally agree. I have the 2.0 Fox stabilizer (only slightly adjustable) and it makes a difference. I commented on his post above. I broke mine without knowing right about the time I got new (bigger) tires. I didn't like the way my Jeep was driving (Jumpiness/looseness) but I just figured it was the taller sidewall. I finally understood why the guys I wheel with drive slowly on the freeway. Have you ever heard people say they don't drive fast on the freeway because their Jeep feels bouncy or unstable? And they just consider it a Jeep thing? That is what a steering stabilizer will correct. Once I fixed my stabilizer driving was back to normal- better than stock.
Its not necessary but still has benefits to even a properly set-up 2 door Jeep. Not just as a band aid for other issues. But not everyone cares about the loose steering feel- so like anything else its subjective.

Met a bunch of people who think their jeep going into death wobble every time they drive it is a "jeep thing" heh.

I drive slow on the highway because I'm enjoying the drive and use too much gas over 65.

TRAUMAhead 06-27-2013 04:33 PM

Beat the crap out of my first stabilizer on a newbie run, replaced it with a Teraflex. Teraflex stabilizer started leaking after a couple months, they replaced it no questions asked. 2nd one started leaking again, so I went with a Synergy stabilizer. Currently have a slight case of death wobble, and using the stabilizer to band aid fix it. :whistling: I was surprised how tight the steering felt with the Synergy stabilizer compared to the other ones though.

JeepHerz 06-27-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by michiganadam (Post 3905726)
Met a bunch of people who think their jeep going into death wobble every time they drive it is a "jeep thing" heh.

I drive slow on the highway because I'm enjoying the drive and use too much gas over 65.

On a California freeway at 65 MPH I get tailgated by semi's and angry little old ladies in Prius's.
'Course at 75 I get a warning sign on my dash "Warning at this speed you will need to locate a gas station at 100 mile intervals".
;) :rofl:

michiganadam 06-27-2013 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JeepHerz (Post 3905835)
On a California freeway at 65 MPH I get tailgated by semi's and angry little old ladies in Prius's.
'Course at 75 I get a warning sign on my dash "Warning at this speed you will need to locate a gas station at 100 mile intervals".
;) :rofl:

What? You really have that warning on your jeep? LOL.

We have a split speed limit here so in indiana im rolling with half the truckers (with the others exceeding the 65 mph truck speed limit), and in michigan im passing almost all of them (60 mph truck speed limit).

Screw em all. They're only pissy because they think the right lane is for passing.

MotoRockstar777 06-27-2013 06:45 PM

Will an adjustable track bar mess up an alignment? I have a 3" Lift with 35s and it drives fine, sometimes it feels like it pulls to the left. My drivers side tire sticks out a little further then the passenger side not by much though.

So would an adjustable track bar fix this and make the steering feel tighter? It drives smooth as can be and doesn't shake at all. I just want to make sure an adjustable track bar isn't going to mess everything up.

michiganadam 06-27-2013 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MotoRockstar777 (Post 3906244)
Will an adjustable track bar mess up an alignment? I have a 3" Lift with 35s and it drives fine, sometimes it feels like it pulls to the left. My drivers side tire sticks out a little further then the passenger side not by much though.

So would an adjustable track bar fix this and make the steering feel tighter? It drives smooth as can be and doesn't shake at all. I just want to make sure an adjustable track bar isn't going to mess everything up.

An adjustable track bar will re-center your axle. It will "mess up your alignment", as in it'll off-center your steeing wheel. But it'll correct your axles being a little off-center from the lift, thats what it does by definition. If your drivers side tire sticks out a little further than the passenger side, thats your axle being off-center.

it probably wont tighten up your steering. Infact, you said it drives fine, why do you want to tighten up your steering if it drives fine? If its loose it probably needs new tie rod ends, ball joints, drag link, pitman arm, maybe even a steering box....

Pulling to the left could be your alignment being messed up. Or something bent. Or the way you hold the steering wheel. Or a tire underinflated.....

michiganadam 06-27-2013 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TRAUMAhead (Post 3905787)
Beat the crap out of my first stabilizer on a newbie run, replaced it with a Teraflex. Teraflex stabilizer started leaking after a couple months, they replaced it no questions asked. 2nd one started leaking again, so I went with a Synergy stabilizer. Currently have a slight case of death wobble, and using the stabilizer to band aid fix it. :whistling: I was surprised how tight the steering felt with the Synergy stabilizer compared to the other ones though.

Do you think maybe bandaid fixing a death wobble with a stabilizer has anything to do with the tereaflex stabilizers failing? What's a slight case of death wobble? I've never seen a slight case. You're damaging every other component on the front end of your jeep by doing that.

You really need to fix that.

By the way, i searched high and low for an OEM track bar to fix my death wobble, and high and low to find bushings that would fit my original. I found this after i had it fixed ...

Original Replacement Parts 52059982AD - Front Track Bar for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK with Left Hand Drive - Quadratec

$80. Sure the adjustable ones would be nice but $200 is a lot of money when you're broke. Hell my stabilizer cost $60.

MotoRockstar777 06-27-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by michiganadam (Post 3906309)
An adjustable track bar will re-center your axle. It will "mess up your alignment", as in it'll off-center your steeing wheel. But it'll correct your axles being a little off-center from the lift, thats what it does by definition. If your drivers side tire sticks out a little further than the passenger side, thats your axle being off-center.

it probably wont tighten up your steering. Infact, you said it drives fine, why do you want to tighten up your steering if it drives fine? If its loose it probably needs new tie rod ends, ball joints, drag link, pitman arm, maybe even a steering box....

Pulling to the left could be your alignment being messed up. Or something bent. Or the way you hold the steering wheel. Or a tire underinflated.....

Ok so it wouldn't even be worth putting an adjustable track bar on then. How about a steering stabilizer like the fox 2.0 one. Would it make it more stable when driving around 70.


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