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Saianagi 06-30-2013 08:00 AM

Fox or Bilstein?
 
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Howdy guys which one should i choose?! I want something smooth im 70% on road i have 2dr 2012 jk ME

And one other thing guys if u can help me with is there a thermostat 160 or something similar for cooling im in kuwait and its 50C lool so plz help!!


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redbilly 06-30-2013 08:50 AM

Bilstein all the way! I have 5100's. Superb ride quality. Every time you buy a Fox shock a kitten gets feline AIDS. (I work for a competitor in the cycling industry, just kidding of course. Not about the feline AIDS thing though, that's verified!)

Sorry, can't help with the thermostat.

kjeeper10 06-30-2013 09:28 AM

Both those shocks get negative and positive reviews. The 4 door won't be as picky because wheel base will help the shocks do their job.
If you do go Fox ... It's very important they are valved for the Jk. BDS, Teraflex offer a softer valving for the Jk. Off the shelf .... You will hate life.

HK_Runner 06-30-2013 09:47 AM

On my 2-door, the 5100s started out really stiff but have softened up after 500 miles. I hear the Fox shocks are super stiff and harsh on 2-doors. Plus, the 5100s are cheap enough. Consider Old Man Emu's regular (not Sport) Nitrocharger shocks as well. They will be softer than either. That's if you can get them in Kuwait. It does get hot there in the summer, doesn't it? I have a god friend who lives in Kuwait. I will be in Dubai soon, and it's a good thing every place is air-conditioned since it is no cooler there. :)

Moonrider 06-30-2013 10:07 AM

I have bilstein 5100 with 800 miles on. First, i was disappointed with them because of their stiff ride, now, they have become my favorite thing i have installed yet. After 500 miles or so they become much softer.

live_slow 06-30-2013 10:07 AM

I think they are both great. I suppose if you were trekking around for long periods of time in the heat, a properly valved set of Fox extended reservoir shocks would stay in their ideal performance zone longer.

I am using the Billstiens now, and used Old Man Emu back in the day. Both are great.

Saianagi 06-30-2013 10:16 AM

Yeah i heard that fox are really stiff but good point on the cooling valve!!

And i heard that bilstein is god like bcz of the great quality and cheap!!

live_slow 06-30-2013 10:32 AM

I think they are both high quality brands, but the Fox with remote reservoir are really costly.

The tera-flex kit for four of them is more than $700 USD.

I don't know how easy it is to get parts there either.

legitposter 06-30-2013 11:19 AM

My bilstein HD shocks are leaking after only 2K miles so I've lost faith in the company in general. They're certainly cost effective though, compared to other high quality shocks.

Smokinjoe 06-30-2013 11:28 AM

I have the 5100 yes they are stiff and I have blown out one and I have friends also have 5100 blow outs. They sell a ton of 5100's and a lot of people like em
Fox 2.0 would be apples to apples comparison the 2.0 is larger and is rebuild able it is about $30 more. Since its rebuild able then can be tuned.
For those factors alone I will go with the Fox 2.0 next time.

kjeeper10 06-30-2013 12:12 PM

If ride is a concern, I would look elsewhere IMO.
Too bad Rancho's rebate ends today, the 9000's were a great shock. Not as controlled as my currant Fox shocks but, I would have no issues running them again.
Shocks I've run :hide: in this order.
-stock Rubi (too short)
-5100's (harsh)
-TF 9950 (meh)
-Rancho 9000 (great overall, little sloppy over uneven road)
-Fox TF tuned res 2.0's (firm but not harsh. Bumps are smooth but handling over uneven road can be sketchy)

A lot as to do with control arms and their angles. 2 door or 4 door. A lifted 2 door with stock control arms, loss of wheelbase, might suffer with a firmer shock. That's why I liked the adjustable Rancho's. no guessing.

Next on my run of shocks to try .... The Rancho 7000 MT's. these like the 5100's are digressively valved but softer.

KJ

m998dna 06-30-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Saianagi (Post 3913224)
Howdy guys which one should i choose?! I want something smooth im 70% on road i have 2dr 2012 jk ME

And one other thing guys if u can help me with is there a thermostat 160 or something similar for cooling im in kuwait and its 50C lool so plz help!!

As KJeeper10 suggested, you may want to consider Rancho RS9000's adjustable shocks. I've been running these for decades on my XJ and they are not harsh - they dampen better than the Rubicon shocks that came on my 10A.

The reason I avoided Bilsteen's for many years is due to the reported harshness.

Whatever you do, invest in adjustable shocks.

As far as your thermostat.. leave it stock. Your engine is designed to run between 200-215. Not sure a 160 would help or hurt - you may worsen your ability to keep the engine running in hot weather without overheating.

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jagerhelix 06-30-2013 12:56 PM

The fox resi shocks are pretty pricy. I do like them though. At the beginning of the day they seem a bit stiff but once I stretch her legs out a bit and that fluid heats up it gets nice and mushy

Saianagi 06-30-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by m998dna (Post 3913749)

As KJeeper10 suggested, you may want to consider Rancho RS9000's adjustable shocks. I've been running these for decades on my XJ and they are not harsh - they dampen better than the Rubicon shocks that came on my 10A.

The reason I avoided Bilsteen's for many years is due to the reported harshness.

Whatever you do, invest in adjustable shocks.

As far as your thermostat.. leave it stock. Your engine is designed to run between 200-215. Not sure a 160 would help or hurt - you may worsen your ability to keep the engine running in hot weather without overheating.

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Beside thermostat, air intake, hoods is there something else to cool the engine with?

And for the shocks i dont care about the price as long as they are heavy duty and smooth!

Welding Rod 06-30-2013 03:03 PM

A thermostat does not play a meaningful role in the engine's cooling ability against excessive peak temperatures. The thermostat gets and keeps the normal operating temp adequately high, not adequately cool. The coldest thermostat made won't make your Jeep run cooler peak temps in an excessively hot environment.

If you need more cooling, a bigger radiator and/or suitable cooling fan modifications are the ticket. These are the components that are tasked with cooling.

rics1997 06-30-2013 03:16 PM

I have the Fox on mine and I really like them. They are beefier shock then the Blistien and are a little stiffer. Great off road shock but are a little stiff on the road. Gives it more of a truck feel. Great shocks bit if you want more road comfort go with the Blistiens or the Rancho Shocks.

traitor08 06-30-2013 03:45 PM

I have fox on mine. Love them.

m998dna 06-30-2013 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Saianagi (Post 3914009)
Beside thermostat, air intake, hoods is there something else to cool the engine with?

And for the shocks i dont care about the price as long as they are heavy duty and smooth!

The Wrangler is already built to withstand high temps. I'm not sure what the 3.6L has and what's shared across platforms. On the 4.0L motors we found using a viscous fan from a Grand Cherokee 4.0L motor provided better cooling than a stock viscous fan from a Cherokee 4.0L motor. A simple bolt on swap lowered the operating temp at idle.

Those are the kind of things that can make a difference, but it's usually years of trial and error from guys that research improvements.

I guess that old saying don't fix things that aren't broken comes to mind.

Are you having overheating problems?

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Saianagi 06-30-2013 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by m998dna (Post 3914204)

The Wrangler is already built to withstand high temps. I'm not sure what the 3.6L has and what's shared across platforms. On the 4.0L motors we found using a viscous fan from a Grand Cherokee 4.0L motor provided better cooling than a stock viscous fan from a Cherokee 4.0L motor. A simple bolt on swap lowered the operating temp at idle.

Those are the kind of things that can make a difference, but it's usually years of trial and error from guys that research improvements.

I guess that old saying don't fix things that aren't broken comes to mind.

Are you having overheating problems?

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Nope!

ohioviper 06-30-2013 08:56 PM

Rancho 9000. Cant beat them with a stick for the price.

willysdave 06-30-2013 09:40 PM

I wonder how many people who do not recommend Fox shocks have used them . I have had Fox shocks on my JKUR for 5 years without a single issue . When I see bumps and whoops coming , they just eat them alive . By far the best shock I have ever used . I am installing King coilovers on my other Jeep right now , we'll see how they work .http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...reno/114-1.jpg

jrussblues 06-30-2013 09:55 PM

I have bilstien on my 85 and 06 and fox on my 10, all ride great with 0 issues so far but the fox ride the best at higher speeds. 45 on a beat up dirt road is actually fun in a 2 door with them.

ChuckMRN 06-30-2013 10:50 PM

No experience with Fox, but have blown 1 front and one rear Bilstien 5100 in just under 6K miles. They are stiff on road, which I don't mind and work just fine for crawling (haven't pulled apart). But long washboard roads in Death valley is where mine have blown the seals and leaked oil everywhere. I don't thrash my rig on those DV roads. I won't be buying any more 5100's

Welding Rod 06-30-2013 11:00 PM

I got a badly leaking new Bilstein right out of the box for my Challenger. I returned it and the shocks have been great, but it gave me concerns over the company's QC.


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