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ktx_jeeper 07-02-2013 11:18 PM

Headlight Upgrade
 
Ok guys, I've decided to invest and after lots of research I don't know what to do. I dont want to even have to touch the wiring for my headlights, I just want to swap out the huosings and the bulb and get the maximum increase in performance. I dont want to melt the harness either. Please help, all these other threads are very misleading.

Tomdata 07-02-2013 11:22 PM

I am running hella ecodes with the 55/60watt bulbs that came with them.. Big upgrade over stock and no wiring mods needed.

It's not the brightest out there but it is definitely better than nothing.

ktx_jeeper 07-02-2013 11:25 PM

Whats the cost of it all and do you have a picture of the light output?

gbendezu 07-02-2013 11:47 PM

Going to an ecode glass housing and putting H4 HIDs will about finish it. You can find good brand Housings for about $40 the set or you can pay $40 per headlight with the hellas and you can get a decent HID kit for about 35 on Ebay

ktx_jeeper 07-02-2013 11:49 PM

Yea, but with HID's you have to mess with all the harnesses and all that junk, I dont want to do that yet. I just want to get the housing ill use for the HID's and then just use a regular bulb until I can fund a proper HID conversion. Any ideas on Housing and Bulb combinations for now?

Cdwright 07-02-2013 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ktx_jeeper (Post 3922773)
Yea, but with HID's you have to mess with all the harnesses and all that junk, I dont want to do that yet. I just want to get the housing ill use for the HID's and then just use a regular bulb until I can fund a proper HID conversion. Any ideas on Housing and Bulb combinations for now?

Please wait then. Installing an hid bulb in housings not made for hids is illegal and blinds other drivers.

True hid kits for the wrangler are 1500 bucks.

ktx_jeeper 07-02-2013 11:58 PM

I'm not planning on going to HID anytime soon. I just need brighter headlights. Mine are terrible and I can't see a damn thing. What's the best replacement for the stocker that just consists of housing and halogen bulb??

Tomdata 07-03-2013 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ktx_jeeper (Post 3922718)
Whats the cost of it all and do you have a picture of the light output?

I got the hella 002395991 on eBay. $70 for a pair shipped. In the box was the glass hella ecode housings and hella 55/60 bulbs. You end up with a standard 9003 H4 bulb that can easily be converted to HID anytime. The ecodes do have a really cool flat line when shined against a wall at night... Even with the standard bulbs.

I am happy with this setup and have no plans of upgrading the bulbs or going to some cheapy HID conversion for the 9003.

I can take a pic but honestly headlight pics never seem to come out right.

ktx_jeeper 07-03-2013 06:11 AM

Ok perfect. Thank you.

Rayko 07-03-2013 06:33 AM

I went with Sylvania Silver Stars and am more than happy with their brightness. Plug and Play and a big improvement over the stock bulbs.

Tomdata 07-03-2013 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rayko (Post 3923293)
I went with Sylvania Silver Stars and am more than happy with their brightness. Plug and Play and a big improvement over the stock bulbs.

Silver stars are awesome too. I have used them in a few cars in the past. Do the silver stars for the tj have removable halogen bulbs or are they one piece like the stock ones?

Rayko 07-03-2013 06:51 AM

They are one piece like the OEM units.

UnlimitedRubicon 07-03-2013 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ktx_jeeper (Post 3922694)

I dont want to even have to touch the wiring for my headlights

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Originally Posted by ktx_jeeper (Post 3922694)

get the maximum increase in performance



unpossible

Cdwright 07-03-2013 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ktx_jeeper (Post 3922792)
I'm not planning on going to HID anytime soon. I just need brighter headlights. Mine are terrible and I can't see a damn thing. What's the best replacement for the stocker that just consists of housing and halogen bulb??

For a couple hundred, cibie housings, pigtails, and bulbs from daniel stern. If you stay with lower wattage bulbs(osram 65//75) you can use the stock wiring and pigtail wires to convert from h13 to h4.

If you think you might ever go with higher wattage bulbs, you can use a wiring harness instead of the pigtails. Adds a little cost up front but you do not have to worry about higher wattage bulbs.

This is the set up I went with and wow what a difference.

lynn 07-03-2013 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomdata (Post 3922965)
I got the hella 002395991 on eBay. $70 for a pair shipped. In the box was the glass hella ecode housings and hella 55/60 bulbs. You end up with a standard 9003 H4 bulb that can easily be converted to HID anytime. The ecodes do have a really cool flat line when shined against a wall at night... Even with the standard bulbs.

I am happy with this setup and have no plans of upgrading the bulbs or going to some cheapy HID conversion for the 9003.

I can take a pic but honestly headlight pics never seem to come out right.

I did exactly the same. Very happy with this upgrade.

ktx_jeeper 07-03-2013 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by UnlimitedRubicon (Post 3923331)

unpossible

I want the maximum increase in light output USING the stock wiring.

Rubi513 07-03-2013 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ktx_jeeper (Post 3923388)
I want the maximum increase in light output USING the stock wiring.

If you are on a budget get the hella ecodes and some better bulbs. You would have to stay around 55 watts for the stock wiring. It will be better, but I can promise you won't be happy. The stock wiring sucks. I have seen an improvement with the stock bulbs by just upgrading the wiring.

Cibies and 90/100 watt bulbs are unbelievable. Just saying:)

ktx_jeeper 07-03-2013 07:48 AM

Haha alright. What's the cost of a wiring upgrade with good housing and bulbs?

bryanintowson 07-03-2013 07:49 AM

I have ordered the HELLA's and they're sitting on my workbench waiting for a day without rain to get them installed.

Rubi513 07-03-2013 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ktx_jeeper (Post 3923411)
Haha alright. What's the cost of a wiring upgrade with good housing and bulbs?


Sorry I can't remember. I want to say the housings were around 80 each. The bulbs 20-30. I built the harnesss myself. Talk to Daniel Stern. He will hook you up. I promise you will be happy you went this route.

Tomdata 07-03-2013 03:54 PM

For the record.. I did purchase a relay/ceramic connector kit when I bought the Hellas but never installed it because I was happy with the Hellas and the stock wiring with the 55/60 bulbs

viperx6x9x 07-03-2013 04:22 PM

Only problem with e-codes is there is no DOT stamp on them. So it is questionable if they are DOT approved.

That being said i used them on my upgrade anyway and am more than happy with them. At least on my 2002 the stock harness accepts an H4 bulb. Keep em 55 watt or below and the stock wiring should handle em just fine. Dang near any h4 bulb with these housings will give you a decent improvement over stock.

Then theres the HID route. I have tried them before, at least from DDM tuning the harnesses are plug and play and very easy to do. But theres the legal issue, and most people don't want to mess with it.

Or if you want to spend money, there are LED housings. I think it was trucklite or something like that that makes the ones I have seen. Great output, LED's are supposed to last a long time, but expect to spend $500 for a pair.

Just some options, personally i would just stick with the Ecode housings and H4 bulbs. Easy mod, no wiring, just a few screws to mess with. Only drawback is halogens will burn out eventually, any brand any bulb. By design they burn a filiment, filiment gets thinner over time, and eventually you hit something rough in the road and the filament snaps. So the expensive bulbs might not necessarily be the best choice, they may use thicker filaments but they burn out too and it will cost more to replace them.

UnlimitedRubicon 07-03-2013 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ktx_jeeper (Post 3923411)
What's the cost of a wiring upgrade ...?


The Sealed Beam, H4, 9003 wiring harness from RJM is $69 and is plug and play. It gives you the full potential of whatever bulb you're running and allows you to run higher wattage bulbs without killing the OEM switch.


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Originally Posted by ktx_jeeper (Post 3923411)
What's the cost of a ... good housing and bulbs?

busdepot Bosch E-code housings for ~$45/pair and good bulbs are ~$20 each.



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Originally Posted by Rubi513 (Post 3923431)
I built the harnesss myself. Talk to Daniel Stern. He will hook you up. I promise you will be happy you went this route.

Agreed. This is the route I went (Cibiť housings/Osram bulbs/D.Stern harness kit). It's not the cheapest but it's the best quality for an H4 halogen set up.


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