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cjeezy 07-07-2013 07:06 PM

Maybe there's already a thread about this so I apologize in advance if that's the case. Also, I'm fully aware I'll probably get flamed for this thread but I really don't care because I'm curious to know why. So as the title says, why all the hatred by Jeep owners towards Hummers? I've never owned one, but I still think they're kind of cool if done up right. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a Jeep, but I certainly don't hate Hummers and would never rule out buying one if the deal was right. Is it build quality? Looks? 4X4 capability? Because they're not like the H1's? What gives?

I'm not trying to start a debate on car preference, just curious because I feel like I'm missing something.

music_man185 07-07-2013 07:09 PM

i dont like the h3's, but i do like the h2's. but i dont think they're even comparable to jeeps. i look at them as a big SUV to haul people and cargo in. i think part of the bad reputation is that most hummer owners think they have superior 4 wheel drive capability.

Lando25 07-07-2013 07:18 PM

Its a classic case of something that started out cool, but strayed so far away from its original design and intent that the H3 was almost unrecognizable from the H1. Jeep is starting to do the same thing, but luckily not anything close to what Hummer did. There's a reason why they went out of business.

00silverTJ 07-07-2013 07:37 PM

It's just a fun rivalry, until sore sports, like Red Sox fans, take it too far.

Rofl!

Flyfisher76 07-07-2013 07:37 PM

it is probably because the whole hummer thing is nothing more than a body kit on already existing GM chassis.

derf 07-07-2013 08:20 PM

The H1 is fine for what it is. A utility truck that replaced a lot of different inventory in the military. It's not a great rock crawler but it's really good at other types of off roading. It was pricey when it was available to the public and it really was under powered (which is an easy solvable problem). But it's not a bad vehicle.

The H2 was built for an entirely different purpose. It's nothing more than an overpriced Tahoe with a body kit. It's really not great for doing much off road at all. When GM beefed it up a little they didn't go far enough and it has some major weaknesses.

The H3 is just the same as the H2 but built on the Colorado platform.

The H2/3 are really just mall crawling posers for people who are kidding themselves or just want to show off their money.

speedyrev 07-07-2013 08:25 PM

I personally think you'd be better off buying a Chevy truck and customizing it than paying for an H2 or H3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxrd...e_gdata_player

rogueleader 07-07-2013 09:44 PM

For me, it's the drivers. Here in Vegas, they are arrogant and because the H2 is so much bigger than most cars, they drive them with the intention of intimidating other drivers. I have had at least two of these drivers tailgate and then go around me just to cut me off just to get in front of me, and then have the balls to flip me off. They are worse than drivers who drive the oversize pickups.

O_M_Jeep 07-07-2013 10:00 PM

I think it's because the people who own / build these -

http://image.truckinweb.com/f/832295...Bhood_open.jpg

http://image.truckinweb.com/f/181623...ront_angle.jpg

http://img.modifiedcars.com/c/h/95/37936_278089.jpg

http://www.tuningcars.us/albums/user...-h2_289729.jpg

http://tuningcars.us/albums/userpics...h2_2811529.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...09-10-18_U.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3014/2...1db_z.jpg?zz=1

http://image.truckinweb.com/f/featur...rear_angle.jpg

http://just.razzi.me/photos/286432/4ebb782.jpg

http://joseriquetti1.files.wordpress...ro-tires12.jpg

http://cdn1.automotobounce.com/pics/...-sut_92c9b.jpg

None of these will see more dirt than what's in the Wal-Mart parking lot, and on that note, I leave you with this little gem -

Hummer rock crawling -
http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-...11/09/3084.jpg


And all this was on the first half of page one of a google search 'hummer bling'

michiganadam 07-07-2013 10:04 PM

Same reason hummer and toyota people hate jeeps.

Honestly, if i see a nice built rig, i'll wave at them. Doesn't matter if they're in a hummer or a silverado. I've *NEVER* seen a hummer in real life that was built. Thank god most of them are stock though, and not super bling mobiles.

I wave at a bunch of guys in silverados and old fords. :)

cjeezy 07-07-2013 10:05 PM

Thanks for the replies everyone...and for going easy on me with my question! Never even realized some of the things that were mentioned!

Cdwright 07-07-2013 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogueleader (Post 3937057)
For me, it's the drivers. Here in Vegas, they are arrogant and because the H2 is so much bigger than most cars, they drive them with the intention of intimidating other drivers. I have had at least two of these drivers tailgate and then go around me just to cut me off just to get in front of me, and then have the balls to flip me off. They are worse than drivers who drive the oversize pickups.

Right, and the parents that buy these for their newly licensed sons or daughters to drive o they do not get get injured when they smash into someone while talking on the phone/texting.

Getnoff 07-07-2013 11:36 PM

And don't forget their awesome add campaign years ago when the H3 came out to boost sales..."Get your girl on!" Barf. I believe its the stigma the owners put on themselves. The wannabees buying the H2/3 because they can't afford the H1. It's like peeps buying the Compass and bragging about their new rugged Jeep maybe!
I almost bought an H1 in 95 when I bought my second wrangler until my friend that managed a Jeep/Hummer dealer convinced me otherwise. Every H1 they had in the shop spent many a day in the service bays. H1s are like helicopters...built for the military to be maintained by the military. Which means, 1 hour of operation is 10 hours of maintenance! Made sense to me.
How many H2/3s have u seen on the trails? Maybe a reason for that.
Regarding the ridiculous looking SEMAmobiles above....seen many a Wrangler same way. Again, barf! Hell, even Jeep had the Renegade for a while! Lol
Just my humble insight!
Troy

michiganadam 07-08-2013 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getnoff (Post 3937387)
And don't forget their awesome add campaign years ago when the H3 came out to boost sales..."Get your girl on!" Barf. I believe its the stigma the owners put on themselves. The wannabees buying the H2/3 because they can't afford the H1. It's like peeps buying the Compass and bragging about their new rugged Jeep maybe!
I almost bought an H1 in 95 when I bought my second wrangler until my friend that managed a Jeep/Hummer dealer convinced me otherwise. Every H1 they had in the shop spent many a day in the service bays. H1s are like helicopters...built for the military to be maintained by the military. Which means, 1 hour of operation is 10 hours of maintenance! Made sense to me.
How many H2/3s have u seen on the trails? Maybe a reason for that.
Regarding the ridiculous looking SEMAmobiles above....seen many a Wrangler same way. Again, barf! Hell, even Jeep had the Renegade for a while! Lol
Just my humble insight!
Troy

Jeeps were made for the military to be maintained by the military in the first place. The H1 was significantly redesigned for the civilian market, so this makes no sense whatsoever. BS on that one.

It probably requires a lot of maintenance time because of complicated engineering. Like a helicopter.

All aircraft require a lot of maintenance, such as rebuilding engines that run fine. Cause it'd really suck if they failed in operation.

O_M_Jeep 07-08-2013 07:00 AM

I have to disagree with "seen many a wrangler the same way", the islanders do like to pretty up the Jeeps, but for the H2/H3 crowd it's S.O.P.

michiganadam 07-08-2013 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O_M_Jeep (Post 3937771)
I have to disagree with "seen many a wrangler the same way", the islanders do like to pretty up the Jeeps, but for the H2/H3 crowd it's S.O.P.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...urrey_pink.jpg

lindel 07-08-2013 08:50 AM

The Surrey was a special edition from the factory, not something blinged out by the owner.

Lanco 07-08-2013 09:07 AM

plus.. its just plain fun to have a villain :firedevil:to go against our hero :angel:.

Getnoff 07-08-2013 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michiganadam (Post 3937754)
Jeeps were made for the military to be maintained by the military in the first place. The H1 was significantly redesigned for the civilian market, so this makes no sense whatsoever. BS on that one.

H1 was pretty much the same as the mil version HMMV. I do agree that H2 and 3s were sole built for civilians. So, my turn to call bs! ;)

It probably requires a lot of maintenance time because of complicated engineering. Like a helicopter.

All aircraft require a lot of maintenance, such as rebuilding engines that run fine. Cause it'd really suck if they failed in operation.

Actually helicopters require much more maintenance than aircraft...about 10 times more per hour roughly. I've owned both, and fly commercially (used to wrench commercially also btw.)
Troy

Owen_TJ 07-08-2013 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lando25 (Post 3936405)
Its a classic case of something that started out cool, but strayed so far away from its original design and intent that the H3 was almost unrecognizable from the H1. Jeep is starting to do the same thing, but luckily not anything close to what Hummer did. There's a reason why they went out of business.

Completely agree...

michiganadam 07-08-2013 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getnoff (Post 3938042)
Actually helicopters require much more maintenance than aircraft...about 10 times more per hour roughly. I've owned both, and fly commercially (used to wrench commercially also btw.)
Troy

Helicopters are aircraft. and of course they cost more.

michiganadam 07-08-2013 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lindel (Post 3937990)
The Surrey was a special edition from the factory, not something blinged out by the owner.

Thats why i think its so funny. Normally youd have to do all that bling yourself and it came that way lol....

it was made for those islanders too...lol

zracTA 07-08-2013 01:33 PM

H1 will always be awesome, the rest not so much

Lusus_Naturae 07-08-2013 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derf (Post 3936706)
The H1 is fine for what it is. A utility truck that replaced a lot of different inventory in the military. It's not a great rock crawler but it's really good at other types of off roading. It was pricey when it was available to the public and it really was under powered (which is an easy solvable problem). But it's not a bad vehicle.

The H2 was built for an entirely different purpose. It's nothing more than an overpriced Tahoe with a body kit. It's really not great for doing much off road at all. When GM beefed it up a little they didn't go far enough and it has some major weaknesses.

The H3 is just the same as the H2 but built on the Colorado platform.

The H2/3 are really just mall crawling posers for people who are kidding themselves or just want to show off their money.

This sums up my feelings. I have some respect for the H1 owners - some. I have a few friends with H1's that know how to drive them and know what they can do. They have a lot of fun too.

I know a few H2 owners, all use them for show and not go. I know a lawyer that wrote his off as a business expense, he hauls file folders in it. He also has the bad ass attitude, it just doesn't work for me at all. I think a lot of people got pissed off when it became fashionable to buy the H2 and then write it off on taxes as a business expense - it was a loophole that people took advantage of. See - It's not just a Hummer, it's a tax break - seattlepi.com

GoldenSahara00 07-08-2013 02:52 PM

Hummers are fat ugly and bad on gas, and way overpriced. Those are the main reasons. h1s can be sweet.

Scrivah 07-08-2013 03:00 PM

Only ever liked the H1.....everything else after that was just made to accommodate the blacktop.

harleydragon 07-08-2013 03:59 PM

I see very little difference in the h3 and the new jeeps.they are both okay if you are in the market for a station wagon

scipio337 07-08-2013 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harleydragon (Post 3939182)
I see very little difference in the h3 and the new jeeps.they are both okay if you are in the market for a station wagon


Zing!


For the OP, I'd say it's a friendly rivalry, aka Cards/Cubs. As long as the Cub fan/Hummer owner acknowledges our vast superiority. :wavey:

michiganadam 07-08-2013 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harleydragon (Post 3939182)
I see very little difference in the h3 and the new jeeps.they are both okay if you are in the market for a station wagon

a 2 door station wagon that can comfortably seat 2? That's not much of a station wagon....

HillbillyJeeper 07-08-2013 08:13 PM

I drove real Hummers in the military, decent vehicle but was a bit large for my taste. The H1 is the same but they are OK and pretty rugged. The H2 is a Poser Tahoe and the H3 is just funny.
Newer jeeps are not comparable to H2's or 3's in my opinion. Now they have gone a bit overboard on the niceties but a new Rubicon, 2 or 4 door, is the most capable off road vehicle on the market. I don't know of anything even in the same league.


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