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goblazers_6 07-09-2013 03:11 PM

MCE fenders or something metal?
 
I clicked the order button on a set of 3" Modern Classics Enterprises Fenders for my LJ and with tax and shipping I was looking at $430. For a couple dollars more I can get a steel replacement fender, and for like $200 more an aluminum replacement fender both available as a highline. I like the weight savings of the MCE fenders, and all the reviews I could find were positive, but $430 seems a little pricey for a pair of fender flares.

Is there anyone who has ran both the MCE and a tube fender? Or anyone have reason why I shouldn't run MCE's? I have about $800 to play with, what would you do?

By the way I wouldn't ever consider running a metalcloak fender so please don't recommend that.

tkfx 07-09-2013 03:49 PM

I think the biggest thing is that the MCE fenders are made of plastic so they can absorb and deform when they get hit, where as some tube fenders are actually stronger then the tub, so in a collision with something the tube fenders will stay intact but possibly damage the tub.

Ive seen someone else from the forums with the MCE and I actually liked the way it looked and the way it fit. What turned me away was the price. IMO I dont think 300ish is worth it for plastic.


EDIT: Go with metalcloak :p

NJO 07-09-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by goblazers_6 (Post 3943077)
I clicked the order button on a set of 3" Modern Classics Enterprises Fenders for my LJ and with tax and shipping I was looking at $430. For a couple dollars more I can get a steel replacement fender, and for like $200 more an aluminum replacement fender both available as a highline. I like the weight savings of the MCE fenders, and all the reviews I could find were positive, but $430 seems a little pricey for a pair of fender flares.

Is there anyone who has ran both the MCE and a tube fender? Or anyone have reason why I shouldn't run MCE's? I have about $800 to play with, what would you do?

By the way I wouldn't ever consider running a metalcloak fender so please don't recommend that.

$800? Metal CLoak and don't look back. MCE fenders IMO are overpriced for what they are.......cheap plastic. And you still gotta hack up your fenders to make em work.

With a 100% bolt on product like MC, you get full highline clearance, FULL proection, and a modular design. Plus you can now sell off your own UNHACKED fenders to help pay for em. I sold my fenders off and got about $500 for em. So in reality the MC fenders only cost me $300. ;)

Long_Armed Sahara 07-09-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by goblazers_6 (Post 3943077)
I clicked the order button on a set of 3" Modern Classics Enterprises Fenders for my LJ and with tax and shipping I was looking at $430. For a couple dollars more I can get a steel replacement fender, and for like $200 more an aluminum replacement fender both available as a highline. I like the weight savings of the MCE fenders, and all the reviews I could find were positive, but $430 seems a little pricey for a pair of fender flares.

Is there anyone who has ran both the MCE and a tube fender? Or anyone have reason why I shouldn't run MCE's? I have about $800 to play with, what would you do?

By the way I wouldn't ever consider running a metalcloak fender so please don't recommend that.

I have smittybilt tube fenders on mine right now and I love them

KBR97 07-09-2013 07:43 PM

Another vote for metalcloaks. My order is in and processed, its going to be a few long weeks that I will have anxiety lol.

Michigunman 07-09-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by goblazers_6 (Post 3943077)

By the way I wouldn't ever consider running a metalcloak fender so please don't recommend that.

I think we need to understand this comment as they are one of the best on the market and offer great clearance. What's your concern if you won't even consider them?

s14sh3r 07-09-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Michigunman (Post 3944098)
I think we need to understand this comment as they are one of the best on the market and offer great clearance. What's your concern if you won't even consider them?

They're ugly?

I have MCE's. I like them, but I wish I had went with tube fenders instead. At some point, I probably will.

1jeeplvr 07-09-2013 08:33 PM

Has anyone used or heard of someone who has Rustys fenders? There about 330.00,not bad.BUT I think Im going with Poison Spyder ones

Michigunman 07-09-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by s14sh3r (Post 3944185)
They're ugly?

I have MCE's. I like them, but I wish I had went with tube fenders instead. At some point, I probably will.

You have MCE's and think Metalcloak are ugly? Uhm OK, I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. Is it the arch? What abut the Overland model?

1jeeplvr 07-09-2013 08:52 PM

Those plastic fenders wouldent last 5 min with me.

NJO 07-09-2013 08:53 PM

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You have MCE's and think Metalcloak are ugly? Uhm OK, I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. Is it the arch? What abut the Overland model?

Some ppl. like the cheap Wal-Mart look. :wavey:

Other ppl. like the classy agressive no nonsense look. :p

s14sh3r 07-09-2013 10:12 PM

it's the arch. The MCE's are shaped like original flat Jeep fenders, which are the only ones I really like. I should have waited and went with tube fenders, but one fender got crunched when I was pulling a Pathfinder out of a ditch and I went with the quick and easy fix. They'll work until I do something different.

goblazers_6 07-09-2013 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by s14sh3r (Post 3944185)

I have MCE's. I like them, but I wish I had went with tube fenders instead. At some point, I probably will.

Why do you want to get rid of them and go to a tube fender? I'd love to hear some negative feedback because right now I'm leaning towards MCEs.

goblazers_6 07-09-2013 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Michigunman (Post 3944098)

I think we need to understand this comment as they are one of the best on the market and offer great clearance. What's your concern if you won't even consider them?

I don't like them.

I've seen many sets in person and they are well made and no doubt innovative. Having said that, I think they're gimmicky and aimed towards people more concerned about looks and/or not cutting the hood, than about function. Like guys who run a big stinger, for no reason. There is obviously a market for them, but I'm not interested.

Mumblewood 07-09-2013 11:10 PM

I love my MCE's, there light and look good.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e5...psbbfa8351.jpg

Kota7x 07-09-2013 11:42 PM

I was never a fan of the Metalcloak look or the price of them. I looked at TNT, Poison Spyder, Genright, etc when deciding on fenders and I always really liked the look of the MCEs. At the time the II Generation Flat fenders (I have these) were just out of the press and they had them for around $300 which was $200 cheaper than any other fender I liked. I really like the MCEs they have held up for about 3 years now and haven't had a single problem with them.
http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6597d841.jpg

Michigunman 07-10-2013 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by goblazers_6 (Post 3944910)
I don't like them.

I've seen many sets in person and they are well made and no doubt innovative. Having said that, I think they're gimmicky and aimed towards people more concerned about looks and/or not cutting the hood, than about function. Like guys who run a big stinger, for no reason. There is obviously a market for them, but I'm not interested.

Fair enough, agree to disagree on that. I do agree you really need to Hi Line to get significant gains.

NJO 07-10-2013 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by goblazers_6 (Post 3944910)
I don't like them.

I've seen many sets in person and they are well made and no doubt innovative. Having said that, I think they're gimmicky and aimed towards people more concerned about looks and/or not cutting the hood, than about function. Like guys who run a big stinger, for no reason. There is obviously a market for them, but I'm not interested.

How can you say a product that allows running much larger tires(35's), gives full perimeter tub protection, and gives you the option for remaining fully legal is gimmicky? :rofl:

IMO any company that charges 400 plus for an incomplete PLASTIC fender flare set that gives no protection, no wheel coverage(mud/rock guard), takes damage from extreme cold and heat and UV sun(yes they do)rays, just to try and partially emulate an old M38's look is what I can gimmicky.

You don't have to like the MC fenders, but Id still be looking at a true and full high clearance metal fender options....... bolt on or not from one of the other vendors at the very least. If your going to spend $400 or more at least make sure that what you receive in the mail is a bit more than 10 bucks worth of injected plastic. ;)

Cons_Table 07-10-2013 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 3945898)
How can you say a product that gives full perimeter tub protection is gimmicky?

No FENDER gives perimeter tub protection. Sure, Metalcloak offers partial corners for an additional $400...but who wants to throw the unnecessary weight of steel on when there are proven companies out there making FULL corners out of aluminum for the same price.

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 3945898)
and gives you the option for remaining fully legal

MCE has this option...3", 4.5", 6" flared versions. Actually they dont even have the ORIGINALS in stock anymore that could be illegal in some states.

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 3945898)
IMO any company that charges 400 plus for an incomplete PLASTIC fender flare set that gives no protection

They are better than the brittle stuff like bushwacker pocket flares (not even a fender) for the same price. Also, if you are in a bind where your hood is being compromised...you probably have bigger issues ahead of you.

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 3945898)
no wheel coverage(mud/rock guard)

They now offer this.

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 3945898)
takes damage from extreme cold and heat and UV sun(yes they do)rays

Do you have any info on the extreme heat and cold damage? The guys that built this do tons of snow wheeling, so they get exposed to plenty of cold. I just went through one of the hottest summers here with temps hitting 120 degrees. While I will agree the original fenders will fade (nothing spray paint wont fix)...they have supposedly made a change in there new fenders to help with this.



Personally for me, I do not like the look of metalcloak either...they just don't look to flow with the rest of the jeep IMO. This doesn't mean some people don't like them. Get what you like. If it were me, for the cost of a rig wrapped in metalcloak...I could run hiline fenders and aluminum armor...in the end it would probably be cheaper, better protection coverage, and lighter.

NJO 07-10-2013 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cons_Table (Post 3946013)
No FENDER gives perimeter tub protection. Sure, Metalcloak offers partial corners for an additional $400...but who wants to throw the unnecessary weight of steel on when there are proven companies out there making FULL corners out of aluminum for the same price.

100% Incorrect. MC Fenders give FULL BRACED perimeter protection when you use all their components TOGETHER. Their rock sliders lock into the front and rear fenders assemblies.

BTW, MC makes ALUMINUM options as well. I should know because I run them. ;) Jeep Aluminum Tube Fenders and Aluminum Corner Guards Even their modular front bumper base has an aluminum option.

Cons_Table 07-10-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 3946057)
100% Incorrect. MC Fenders give FULL BRACED perimeter protection when you use all their components TOGETHER. Their rock sliders lock into the front and rear fenders assemblies.

BTW, MC makes ALUMINUM options as well. I should know because I run them. ;) Jeep Aluminum Tube Fenders and Aluminum Corner Guards Even their modular front bumper base has an aluminum option.

Fair enough on the aluminum.

But as far as perimeter protection, I said no fender (Just because of the wording in your previous post)...which is what the OP was originally looking for. The only way to reap the full benefits of the armor is to throw $2500 at it. Thats a lot of dough for most people in just armor.

It all comes down to what you like. People either love metalcloak or hate it...not just price but looks. No need to talk down on the guys that dont have the money or the taste for metalcloak.

NJO 07-10-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cons_Table (Post 3946013)
MCE has this option...3", 4.5", 6" flared versions. Actually they dont even have the ORIGINALS in stock anymore that could be illegal in some states.



They are better than the brittle stuff like bushwacker pocket flares (not even a fender) for the same price. Also, if you are in a bind where your hood is being compromised...you probably have bigger issues ahead of you.



They now offer this.



Do you have any info on the extreme heat and cold damage? The guys that built this do tons of snow wheeling, so they get exposed to plenty of cold. I just went through one of the hottest summers here with temps hitting 120 degrees. While I will agree the original fenders will fade (nothing spray paint wont fix)...they have supposedly made a change in there new fenders to help with this.



Personally for me, I do not like the look of metalcloak either...they just don't look to flow with the rest of the jeep IMO. This doesn't mean some people don't like them. Get what you like. If it were me, for the cost of a rig wrapped in metalcloak...I could run hiline fenders and aluminum armor...in the end it would probably be cheaper, better protection coverage, and lighter.

1. The 3",4.5",6" is very deceiving. Their 6" coverage fender technically has about as good coverage as the 4" MC flare overhead. But MC's flares were actually designed with debris kickup in mind from the front tires. The back 45 angle of the flares give the most protection from debris kickup. MCE's give basically none.

2. Its TPO plastic. TPO is just a fancy word for polypropylene and polyethylene mix. And UV kicks the crap outta plastic. So does heat and cold. 3 people in my club run MCE's. 2 of them need to take advantage of their "lifetime warranty" due to cracking from UV/temp exposure. If you don't have a garage kept vehicle you will find this out within a few years time no question.

Bushwacker flares are in the same boat, but the plastic is even cheaper on them, no question.

3. A lot of people don't like the look of MC fenders, but its mainly due to their arched front fender design which I think is ugly too. BUt their Overline "flat" fenders are fantastic looking and seamlessly integrate into the body design. They give the "old style" look with a modern twist to the form and more importantly FUNCTION giving true hiline function in a bolt on package. And as stated before, their front and rear fenders are available in ALUMINUM. ;)

Cons_Table 07-10-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 3946129)
1. The 3",4.5",6" is very deceiving. Their 6" coverage fender technically has about as good coverage as the 4" MC flare overhead. But MC's flares were actually designed with debris kickup in mind from the front tires. The back 45 angle of the flares give the most protection from debris kickup. MCE's give basically none.

2. Its TPO plastic. TPO is just a fancy word for polypropylene and polyethylene mix. And UV kicks the crap outta plastic. So does heat and cold. 3 people in my club run MCE's. 2 of them need to take advantage of their "lifetime warranty" due to cracking from UV/temp exposure. If you don't have a garage kept vehicle you will find this out within a few years time no question.

Bushwacker flares are in the same boat, but the plastic is even cheaper on them, no question.

3. A lot of people don't like the look of MC fenders, but its mainly due to their arched front fender design which I think is ugly too. BUt their Overline "flat" fenders are fantastic looking and seamlessly integrate into the body design. They give the "old style" look with a modern twist to the form and more importantly FUNCTION giving true hiline function in a bolt on package. And as stated before, their front and rear fenders are available in ALUMINUM. ;)

1. I would like to see side by side comparison of this. From what I can see...a 6" MCE extends 6" out from the jeep side, what more is there to it?

2. If UV kicks the crap out of 'plastic' why is TPO used in so many outdoor applications? I cannot vouch for the newer fenders, but I am sure I can find a few that can. My jeep has only been garage kept for the last 3 months...havent had any issues with cracking on mine.

3. How the overline or arched looks is all personal opinion...

Kota7x 07-10-2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 3946129)
2. Its TPO plastic. TPO is just a fancy word for polypropylene and polyethylene mix. And UV kicks the crap outta plastic. So does heat and cold. 3 people in my club run MCE's. 2 of them need to take advantage of their "lifetime warranty" due to cracking from UV/temp exposure. If you don't have a garage kept vehicle you will find this out within a few years time no question.

Im sorry my pocket book isnt as big as yours, but im a college student and $300 of "cheap" plastic (in your terms) looks a hell of a lot better than $2500 (for the set I would get. Also, my Jeep is outside in California sun 24/7 with a few odd days when I get the garage (very rare). My fenders have held up to Sun, Snow, Rain, 85 MPH on the freeway, and big head winds. They also go to the desert here where it is 110* pretty regularly in the summer. I havent had a single crack, or fade from all this weather. My Soft top has faded faster than these things.

goblazers_6 07-10-2013 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 3945898)
How can you say a product that allows running much larger tires(35's), gives full perimeter tub protection, and gives you the option for remaining fully legal is gimmicky? :rofl:

IMO any company that charges 400 plus for an incomplete PLASTIC fender flare set that gives no protection, no wheel coverage(mud/rock guard), takes damage from extreme cold and heat and UV sun(yes they do)rays, just to try and partially emulate an old M38's look is what I can gimmicky.

You don't have to like the MC fenders, but Id still be looking at a true and full high clearance metal fender options....... bolt on or not from one of the other vendors at the very least. If your going to spend $400 or more at least make sure that what you receive in the mail is a bit more than 10 bucks worth of injected plastic. ;)

I think Metalcloak fenders are a very "look at me!" type of product. Best suited for people who want to buy what everyone says is the best. I don't like the detachable flare. I don't like that its not a true high line. I don't like the way they look. I don't like them. That's why I opened with "please don't suggest Metalcloak".

I also don't know why you feel the need to defend your choice, or push Metalcloak on anyone else. If you like MC, that's great, I'm happy for you. I wish this thread hadn't turned into the typical "Metalcloak is the only choice" thread that is all too common on this board. The only other fender I was really looking at was the Poison Spyder Defender in aluminum and highline. But really I started this thread to see if anyone could talk me out of ordering MCEs. Do I think $400 is too much for 2 plastic fenders? Hell yeah I do, that's why I started this thread. I wish they were cheaper, but I like the look, functionality, and weight savings over any other fender. So I'm probably going to be ordering a pair today or tomorrow.

s14sh3r 07-10-2013 11:30 AM

I have the 3 inch MCE's and they have as much tire coverage as my stock fenders and flares did. I get a little more mud kicked up toward the tub, but mostly because I removed the flare extensions. I could put them back on and it would help, but I like the way they look without it. Besides, a little dirt won't hurt anything.

As for the plastic the fenders are made from, it's pretty tough stuff. I'll probably have them on at least a couple more years, so time will tell how well they hold up.

To be honest, there aren't many bolt on fenders I like. I think the metalcloak's are ugly, I dislike the odd shape of the smittybilt fenders. If they didn't have that extra hump, I'd jump on a set. I have my own ideas about what my jeep should do and look like. OP's or anyone else s on here has their own ideas. It doesn't mean anyone is right or wrong about what they like/don't like.

To be honest, there hasn't been a Jeep made that is everything I want. I'll have to take what I have now and work toward that goal. It'll be a little of this, a little of that, and it'll be mine. All mine. MUAHAHAHAHAHAA

Sorry, got carried away.

NJO 07-10-2013 11:43 AM

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1. I would like to see side by side comparison of this. From what I can see...a 6" MCE extends 6" out from the jeep side, what more is there to it?

2. If UV kicks the crap out of 'plastic' why is TPO used in so many outdoor applications? I cannot vouch for the newer fenders, but I am sure I can find a few that can. My jeep has only been garage kept for the last 3 months...havent had any issues with cracking on mine.

3. How the overline or arched looks is all personal opinion...

1. The MC fender provides its maximum coverage towards the back top. Its flat fender uses multiple angles. Its actually widest towards the back facing the driver and passenger seats. The MCE flare is widest at the front next to the hood latches. To be able to fully appreciate the MC design and compare to an MCE flare you would have to actually take a drive in a couple of equipped Jeeps through dirt and mud to get a fully appreciation of the MC design in terms of "protection" as described.

2. For one, its cheap. Second, not all TPO blends are the same. But all do break down over time. Some over the coarse of years or decades, some literally over months. Bill's Gen II MCE's are just over a year old. He took a hit off a tree on the front passenger cover from losing grip down a small embankment. The plastic flare bent in and now has 2 hairline cracks/splits. His hood, remaining "cut" front fender and front grill also took significant damage in the process. If he was running a set of MC fenders or another similar quality aftermarket fender he would have had no damage whatsoever on such a small impact.

3. Fully agree. I just think the Overlines are closer to a traditional "flat fender" look than some people realize. BUt of course, that's just one man's opinion. :)

4. To the OP, didn't read the last portion of your original post, if I did I wouldn't have bothered posting what I did on MC. That being said, Id still look into doing a real steel or aluminum front fender like Poison Spyders Defender line or something similiar and bypass the MCE's.......especially considering cost is only a couple hundred more.

BigDeaner 07-10-2013 12:53 PM

NJO- What size flares are you running?

NJO 07-10-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by goblazers_6 (Post 3946391)
I think Metalcloak fenders are a very "look at me!" type of product. Best suited for people who want to buy what everyone says is the best. I don't like the detachable flare. I don't like that its not a true high line. I don't like the way they look. I don't like them. That's why I opened with "please don't suggest Metalcloak".

I also don't know why you feel the need to defend your choice, or push Metalcloak on anyone else. If you like MC, that's great, I'm happy for you. I wish this thread hadn't turned into the typical "Metalcloak is the only choice" thread that is all too common on this board. The only other fender I was really looking at was the Poison Spyder Defender in aluminum and highline. But really I started this thread to see if anyone could talk me out of ordering MCEs. Do I think $400 is too much for 2 plastic fenders? Hell yeah I do, that's why I started this thread. I wish they were cheaper, but I like the look, functionality, and weight savings over any other fender. So I'm probably going to be ordering a pair today or tomorrow.

Yeah, I think MC's do have that "look at me" feel to em. I know that because I have had countless other Jeep owners pull me over, or come up to my Jeep and gush over how they love the look, fit and finish etc. But regardless of the looks, they are 100% function fenders. The detachable fenders are great if you want to go wheeling without the flares, or want to swap in a different width flare(which means you don't have to sell of or buy an complete new assembly). They are absolutely rugged considering I can stand on top of them(Im 220lbs)and jump up and down on em without a single bit of flex, plus they can take a full hit and not take ANY damage(I know this firsthand from both off and on road incidents Ive had). It may not be a true hiline in that you don't have to hack up the hood, but they still allow you to run 35" tires with no lift whatsoever be it body or suspension. So the function is the same. Key word being function.

The looks are opinion based, which is why I added for you to look at the Defenders. Those are at least worth the money and are only a couple hundred more than the MCE's. I think those would suit you much better. You will definitely feel that way if you ever slide into something while on the trail. I think those are your best bet. :thumb:

NJO 07-10-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDeaner (Post 3946652)
NJO- What size flares are you running?

I run 6" flares. The pic doesn't show it, but I have about an inch more to go on the edge before the tread sticks out from underneath em. I run 15x7" rims with 3.5" BSing on both 33 and 35x10.5" tires.


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