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jwalker2244 07-11-2013 11:24 AM

Sleeve and Gueests required for 35's??
 
I have a 2009 X with the D30 and 35 inch duratracs. It is my DD and i like to wheel it. Should I sleeve and gusset my axle or is it not needed?

kjeeper10 07-11-2013 11:25 AM

Cheap assurance IMO

dawhitesJKU 07-11-2013 11:30 AM

if you use your jeep as intended...then yes. like kjeeper10 said "cheap assurance"

JKjingle 07-11-2013 11:31 AM

Mays well! I ordered the artec truss and gusset kit for 250 or so. Plus a bit of labour to get it welded, its worth it. Considering a replacement can run you anywhere from 3 grand up. At the least buy gussets. I have buddy running 35s on a 4" rough country lift with no axle reinforcement and both axles look fine from the naked eye but hey like kjeeper said good insurance.

jwalker2244 07-11-2013 11:31 AM

I know the parts are cheap, is the labour?

dawhitesJKU 07-11-2013 11:34 AM

i was quoted about about 700 for parts and labor...i could be mistaken...its been months since i last asked a shop. (sleeve/and gusset the C's)

"Sleeves, gussets, and lower control arm skids are $751 installed." - thats from a local reputable shop. they vary so prices can fluctuate depending on shop.

theres really no replacement for displacement of the axle in terms of my funds so thats on my bucket list.

forgedoffroad.com 07-11-2013 09:20 PM

There's argument both ways. I've had the Forged JKU front end airborne numerous times on 35s and my Cs are still straight. I had some bad alignment numbers, but that turned out to be the ball joints. Grabbed a set of Synergy ball joints off the shelf and it tracks perfectly straight.

4" lift, stock pitman arm, 35" tires, busted shocks, and NO steering stabilizer. I can drive with one finger, even on bumpy roads in a curve.

That said, you can almost NEVER over-armor an axle on a well-used Jeep. We've sold numerous Artec truss systems and there's good reason considering how weak the housings are. We've been lucky, but we're on borrowed time. When it finally goes, it's gonna go big. With a high pinion Dana 60 sitting under the work bench, though, it'll be sort of a bittersweet day when the D30 dies.

HydroJK 07-13-2013 03:37 PM

I had mine done while re-gearing, with allot of flack from forum members :angel: ...


That said, its done and is "one less thing" to worry about now :dance: ....


Remember, it's your Jeep ! Good luck ...


Hydro

nickmimi 07-13-2013 06:16 PM

The place I had my regrear done highly suggested the gussets. He said he would do the sleeves just to make the money but he did not suggest it. So I listened to his advice.

jrussblues 07-14-2013 08:55 AM

From a labor standpoint sleeves will typically cost more than trusses.

I went with the artec front armor and did it with my suspension swap as the truss requires dropping the front springs and one control arm. The sleeve route doesn't require touching the suspension but they all fit differently and are most often a severe pita to install.

If you decide to sleeve, you may want to go ahead and upgrade ball joints if you can budget for it. Everything but the knuckle will be removed so the additional labor will be lower than when they go out.

Pound for pound a truss will typically provide more support and add more strength than a sleeve but its not really something that I would factor in.

I have seen front 44 tubes bent on 35's. typically it has more to do with the impact that those guys wheel at rather than the tire size though.

Raiderfan001 07-14-2013 10:45 AM

I'm just doing gussets on mine. I'll save the money for anything else towards a new axle if that time comes.

kjeeper10 07-14-2013 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiderfan001 (Post 3960732)
I'm just doing gussets on mine. I'll save the money for anything else towards a new axle if that time comes.

This ^

TJ Hobbit 08-09-2013 04:02 PM

FYI...Claims that one company's sleeves are stronger or larger is urban myth. The space limits the size which can not be larger then whats available from any of the companys that offer this upgrade. Not intended to fix any existing damage but to prevent damage in the first place. Fewer welds required by some kit is a bad thing not a good one btw. It takes what it takes. Kits are cheep. 250 to install if your REAL lucky. Best time to replace all ball joints as the heat will destroy those when you add the C gussetts

TJ Hobbit 08-09-2013 04:03 PM

Love mine. Hope this helps.

Beastmaster 08-09-2013 05:06 PM

I went a different route. For a while I flipped back and forth on how I was going to beef up my axle when I went with 35" tires. I looked at the Artec armor kit and was figuring this was overkill for my needs and could save money going with gussets and sleeves.

Well . . .

Looking at Synergy parts, I found I could get sleeves and gussets for $165. Then I saw that for an additional $35 I could get control arm armor.

And that brings the total to $200.

So why not spend $250 and re-enforce my axle for anything I might encounter?

jrussblues 08-10-2013 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmaster (Post 4059792)
I went a different route. For a while I flipped back and forth on how I was going to beef up my axle when I went with 35" tires. I looked at the Artec armor kit and was figuring this was overkill for my needs and could save money going with gussets and sleeves.

Well . . .

Looking at Synergy parts, I found I could get sleeves and gussets for $165. Then I saw that for an additional $35 I could get control arm armor.

And that brings the total to $200.

So why not spend $250 and re-enforce my axle for anything I might encounter?

Also keep in mind the artec set up comes with a new trackbar mount for the axle as well.

Allibaster 08-10-2013 01:28 PM

I have a Dynatrac ProRock Dana44 for sale. You don't need to mess around with any of that stuff.

Sleeves and full width trusses suck really bad. Lots of drilling and welding on your axle. Just get the Dynatrac. :)

DaK 08-10-2013 01:44 PM

Before you end up doing all that, get a quote on D60's with the gear ratio you want/need. In the end you may find that the D60's are going to be the same or less by the time you sleeve, re-gear and get chromolly axles. Had someone given me this advice there would probably D60's under our rig right now instead of D44's with chromolly axles, 5:38's and all the other stuff that has been done.

Food for thought.

Tweak 08-10-2013 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allibaster (Post 4062866)
I have a Dynatrac ProRock Dana44 for sale. You don't need to mess around with any of that stuff.

Sleeves and full width trusses suck really bad. Lots of drilling and welding on your axle. Just get the Dynatrac. :)

so you are saying instead of spending 4-5 hundred he should spend 3-4 thousand? not bashing your choice at all but you have to remember that people looking to beef up their axle so that they dont have to replace it are doing so because they want to prevent any damage to what they have and the majority of people on this forum arent running 37" tires.

again, not bashing your 44. ill have a 60 in within a year

OP get an artec truss.

Allibaster 08-10-2013 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tweak (Post 4063386)
so you are saying instead of spending 4-5 hundred he should spend 3-4 thousand? not bashing your choice at all but you have to remember that people looking to beef up their axle so that they dont have to replace it are doing so because they want to prevent any damage to what they have and the majority of people on this forum arent running 37" tires.

again, not bashing your 44. ill have a 60 in within a year

OP get an artec truss.

Do some research on strengthening the D30 vs going with a ProRock44. There's lots of threads on the subject between JeepForum, JK-Owners, and WF.

Thinking $500 vs $4000 is the only thing to consider is extremely short sighted. You're still always going to be limited to a tiny ring and pinion or other gears on the D30, and it will break if you're hard on it with big tires. What about the splines on your axle shafts? What about axle shafts? Are you willing to also add upgraded axle shafts for your D30 carrier?

You can throw thousands into your D30 including a truss, gussets, sleeves, a new carrier, axle shafts, gears, your time, and you're always going to have a small ring and pinion that vulnerable to damage. No way around it. Most who've done the research or have gone through the D30 upgrade process agree that doing the ProRock44 is the better investment if you're going to do large tires and wheel.

Below is a picture of someone running 35" tires on the Dana 30. How'd you like to deal with that on the trail?

http://img.tapatalk.com/aefc2a34-b195-8348.jpg

Here's the thread I pulled that from:
http://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73478


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