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48Sam 07-16-2013 07:05 PM

Oops!!!! That doesn't look good...
 
Well, what I simply thought was going to be a R&R of the spider gear is now turning into a carrier AND spider gear replacement.

Agh!:facepalm:


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...psde53c254.jpg

Zdrisko 07-16-2013 07:07 PM

Oh wow! :cringe:

ob269 07-16-2013 07:08 PM

Ouch! Good to catch it now rather then have it grenade on the highway..

48Sam 07-16-2013 08:01 PM

Well, got the spider gears and axles removed. Does anyone know how I go about removing the rest of this ring gear and carrier out of the housing? Do I need a special tool?

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...ps746fc545.jpg

-Sam

wwch99tj 07-16-2013 08:49 PM

Just pry it out it shouldn't be too tight

48Sam 07-16-2013 08:53 PM

Ok. I'm done for today. I'll try prying it out tomorrow.

harryhood 07-16-2013 08:59 PM

get a red shop rag in between the ring and pinion and spin the pinion. should pop it out

48Sam 07-16-2013 09:13 PM

Harryhood, I'll try that tomorrow. Thank!

Black Magic Brakes 07-16-2013 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 48Sam (Post 3970196)
Harryhood, I'll try that tomorrow. Thank!

Put a small box under the diff to catch the carrier when it falls out. Put a box end wrench on one of the ring gear bolts and with it in neutral, turn the pinion. One direction will pull the carrier in tighter, the other will push it out into the box. If you study the pinion gear for a second, you can tell which way to turn it that will screw them (pinion and ring gear) apart from each other.

48Sam 07-17-2013 10:16 AM

Black Magic, I'll try that as well. If one of the other methods dont work.
Thanks again.

-Sam

GoldenSahara00 07-17-2013 11:00 AM

I've always gently used a pry bar on the bottom but turning the pinion works good as well.

48Sam 07-17-2013 01:36 PM

Ok... Thanks GoldenSahara. Sounds like I've got a few options on prying it out of there. :)
Hopefully it wont be too much of a pain in the a$$ to get it out of there and be back on the road tonight. (cross your fingers and eyeballs for luck)

48Sam 07-17-2013 01:37 PM

I'm guessing I need to purchase two new bearings/races as well?

wwch99tj 07-17-2013 02:40 PM

I would, when I did mine replaced everything even the outer wheel bearings

TeraFlex 07-17-2013 03:39 PM

ohh snap, literally. Is there a cool story that goes with it?

48Sam 07-17-2013 04:18 PM

Ok, go the bearing ordered and will be here tomorrow along with my carrier.

A Story??? Yup! I clocked my wheel all the way to the left and was backing up my trailer into the driveway, next thing I knew I hit the curb and a loud "snap" occurred. I was lucky enough to get it rolling again down the street (hoping it wasn't anything major... f*"ck yeah right! I wish) but I knew something was wrong when everytime I made a somewhat of a sharp turn it would snap every few feet. Alas, I knew I had a jobber on my hands and luckily I have other means of transportation (A nice quick Harley) :)

Hopefully up and running by tomorrow night or Friday. I'll take more pics and post them as the process continues during the surgery. :)

-Sam

Jerry Bransford 07-17-2013 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes (Post 3970633)
Put a small box under the diff to catch the carrier when it falls out. Put a box end wrench on one of the ring gear bolts and with it in neutral, turn the pinion. One direction will pull the carrier in tighter, the other will push it out into the box. If you study the pinion gear for a second, you can tell which way to turn it that will screw them (pinion and ring gear) apart from each other.

That method works exceedingly well, Blaine taught me that method a couple years ago when I had to remove the rear Rubicon locker to replace its leaky air bladder. Works slick. Just make sure you put the same shims exactly back where they came from on the sides of the carrier.

48Sam 07-17-2013 05:21 PM

I'm assuming I don't need to pull the driveshaft and pinion gear to do this right?

TeraFlex 07-17-2013 05:29 PM

correct not with it in neutral.

48Sam 07-17-2013 06:04 PM

Well. Worked out great. I used the "shop rag between the ring gear between the pinion gear" method. Removed the ring gear from the carrier as well and get it all prepped.

Now?....... I sit and wait for my parts to come in tomorrow!

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...psde53c254.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...ps0fb61375.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...ps1cb382d2.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...psa12f1613.jpg

Those spider gear are shot. Any idea what would case it to fail only after 60k miles??

-Sam

Jerry Bransford 07-17-2013 06:15 PM

You realize you're going to have to set up/shim the new ring & pinion gears now right? Installing those plus a new carrier virtually guarantees they will not be set up/meshed properly without a proper setup. That's not an easy job for even an experienced ring & pinion installer... and not gettting the ring & pinion gears set properly means the new gears will be toast in short order.

To further clarify, ring & pinion gears come in matched sets so replacing just the ring gear & keeping the old pinion gear would not be good. I'd be looking for a guy who knows how to set up new R&P gears. I have a shopful of tools, been inside axles more than a few times, but I would and always have hired someone to do my R&P installations.

Cons_Table 07-17-2013 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 3973497)
You realize you're going to have to set up/shim the new ring & pinion gears now right? Installing those plus a new carrier virtually guarantees they will not be set up/meshed properly without a proper setup. That's not an easy job for even an experienced ring & pinion installer... and not gettting the ring & pinion gears set properly means the new gears will be toast in short order.

To further clarify, ring & pinion gears come in matched sets so replacing just the ring gear & keeping the old pinion gear would not be good. I'd be looking for a guy who knows how to set up new R&P gears. I have a shopful of tools, been inside axles more than a few times, but I would and always have hired someone to do my R&P installations.

Jerry, I think he is only needing to replace the spider gears and carrier unless I missed something.

Jerry Bransford 07-17-2013 06:23 PM

I thought I saw damage to the ring gear & thought he was replacing it, maybe it's just the lighting & my misinterpretation of the photos. If it is just the carrier, then all it needs is to have the backlash set.

48Sam, don't forget those ring gear bolts need to be held in with Locktite! :)

Cons_Table 07-17-2013 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 3973524)
I thought I saw damage to the ring gear & thought he was replacing it, maybe it's just the lighting. If it is just the carrier, then all it needs is to have the backlash set.

48Sam, don't forget those ring gear bolts need to be held in with Locktite... don't forget it!! :)

Ya I think it was lighting...I thought the same thing at first glance :whistling:

Second the loctite...bad things happen when ring gear bolts come out...ask me how I know :eek:

Jerry Bransford 07-17-2013 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cons_Table (Post 3973533)
Ya I think it was lighting...I thought the same thing at first glance :whistling:

You are always ever so diplomatic Geoff. :D

48Sam 07-17-2013 09:29 PM

Gentleman,
I'm only changing out the spider gears and carrier. Ring gear and pinnion are good. No broken teeth or damage from what I see. Could have been the lighting/shadowing from the pictures.

I'm assuming I can just use the original washers/spacers (the big round things that fit between the carrier and the inside of the axle on the bearings) the kit came with new ones so I'm assuming they are all the same width?

-Sam

48Sam 07-18-2013 09:44 AM

Would standard 75w-90 gear oil suffice or should I go with synthetic gear oil?

Cons_Table 07-18-2013 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 48Sam (Post 3975798)
Would standard 75w-90 gear oil suffice or should I go with synthetic gear oil?

No need for synthetic :thumb:

48Sam 07-18-2013 04:21 PM

ok, thanks Cons_Table. I'll use the standard gear oil.

48Sam 07-18-2013 04:22 PM

Any words of wisdom for the install? Should I use a wood block to tap in the carrier until it seats?

-Sam


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