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cabenso 08-10-2013 10:01 PM

Another Winch Comparison
 
Ok, I have seen posts about both of these winches. But I want to compare them side by side and get opinions. I've asked around a lot and made a list. I am getting completely mixed signals. I want to spend around $550 give or take. The two winches I'm looking at are the Quadratec Q11000s and the WARN VR10000.

Quadratec Q11000s
Quadratec Exclusive 92122 2031 - Quadratec Q11000s Self Recovery Winch with DyneemaŽ Synthetic Rope - Quadratec

WARN VR10000
WARN 86255 - WARN VR10000 Winch with 94' Wire Rope and Roller Fairlead - Quadratec

I especially like that I would have synthetic line with the Q series. But this is my first time getting a winch and I've only heard good things about Warn. Thanks for any help.

Redsand 08-10-2013 10:03 PM

Warn

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HillbillyJeeper 08-10-2013 10:07 PM

Warn

cabenso 08-10-2013 10:15 PM

I appreciate the response. I thought that's what I'd hear. Any Quadratec guys out there have any argument?

Fishnjeep 08-10-2013 11:43 PM

I have the smaller Quadtratec winch. I've used it a handful of times without any issues. I don't have the money for a Warn.

Jerry Bransford 08-11-2013 12:56 AM

Warn. Not to mention Quadratec's winch comes from China, Warn's VR10000 was manufactured in Oregon.

JohnDoe 08-11-2013 01:09 AM

I don't mean to bud in, but what do y'all think of Smittybilt winches? 4wheel parts has a pretty sweat deal on an 8,000lb XRC, think it's waterproof too

Nissantech 08-11-2013 01:14 AM

I got an xrc8, it's sitting in the floor in my house all wrapped up in the box waiting for a plate to be mounted on. I've unboxed it and it looks and feels pretty solid. I'm happy with it ( can't wait to use it!) I would also like to know what anybody thinks of them I read great reviews but I wanna hear some experiences please

R u s s 08-11-2013 02:18 AM

If your a buy local supporter buy warn. If you want to save buy quadratic. I personally don't like the synthetic rope ...yes I said it please dont send a posse to hunt me down.... I know its lighter and you cant get slivers but if it gets run across anything sharp it's done for you can tie it but its a hassle. I guess I prefer busting out the gloves and using cable because it holds up for my application. I stretch alot of fence with mine another suggestion you might go with used most people buy them and never use them could save you quite a few bucks. Just an idea, btw I have a mile marker 8000# which I love.

cabenso 08-11-2013 08:05 AM

From what i've heard, Superwinch and the Q series are ok. I dont think I read too many good things about Smittybilt. But, this is not from experience.

I'll probably end up getting the Warn. So even the VR series is ok?

s14sh3r 08-11-2013 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cabenso (Post 4065220)
From what i've heard, Superwinch and the Q series are ok. I dont think I read too many good things about Smittybilt. But, this is not from experience.

I'll probably end up getting the Warn. So even the VR series is ok?

It's mostly assembled in the US, but it does have "global" parts as Warn puts it. It's getting harder and harder to find anything that doesn't have some Chinese parts in it. It's all about quality control. Warn has a solid reputation and they earned it. They'll make sure that any parts they use are up to their standards.

Quadratec is a good company. I've had nothing but good dealings with them. I wouldn't be afraid to buy one of their winches, because they have to meet Quadratec's standards.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd go with the Warn. They've been in business longer and have a lot more to lose if they put out a shoddy product.

Majnoon 08-11-2013 09:01 AM

My smittybilt X20 8 is awesome! Love it! Had it for a year now and it has survived -40 weather. I got the one with synthetic rope. Think I paid 550 on amazon.

callbob 08-11-2013 09:03 AM

Engo 9000. $400 with synthetic line. Works great, ask the guy in full size bronco I recovered yesterday that was looking at a rollover.

Jason06rubi 08-11-2013 09:48 AM

Warn M8000 over the VR. ONe of the toughest winches in the business for the right price. From what I've been told. The VR is the base Model from Warn. Not saying it won't perform cause I haven't used. But I've used the M8000 a lot and it works every time:)

TJDave 08-11-2013 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe (Post 4064947)
I don't mean to bud in, but what do y'all think of Smittybilt winches? 4wheel parts has a pretty sweat deal on an 8,000lb XRC, think it's waterproof too

I hope the new waterproof ones are better than the new XRC's that came out when they went to series wound motors.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nissantech (Post 4064948)
I got an xrc8, it's sitting in the floor in my house all wrapped up in the box waiting for a plate to be mounted on. I've unboxed it and it looks and feels pretty solid. I'm happy with it ( can't wait to use it!) I would also like to know what anybody thinks of them I read great reviews but I wanna hear some experiences please

I have a XRC8 that I bought new sitting on my garage floor too! Unfortunately, it is there because it quit working before it's second birthday.
It was also very hard to free spool, very slow, and loud.
I don't want to be a downer. I am just but one unhappy customer. I guess there are happy ones, I just don't know any.

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Originally Posted by cabenso (Post 4065220)
From what i've heard, Superwinch and the Q series are ok. I dont think I read too many good things about Smittybilt. But, this is not from experience.

I'll probably end up getting the Warn. So even the VR series is ok?

My Smitty experience is above.
I don't personally have any experience with Warn's new VR series winches. But, if they perform anywhere near as good as my old used XD9000i I replaced my Smitty with, I would say they are worth the extra money.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...1321992825.jpg

NJO 08-11-2013 10:19 AM

Warn = overrated. Think ENGO. Lifetime warranty on mechanical. 1 year on solenoid. You can get a 12k ENGO with 16k rated 100' synthetic line, winch cover, wireless remote for under $500 shipped from CCOR. ENGO's pull ratings are highly underrated, and they were top rated in the large winch shootout a few years back. Nice thing about ENGO winch's too is that they are a lot more efficient(less power draw) than comparable series WARN winches for weight pulled.

TJDave 08-11-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 4065592)
Warn = overrated.

:popcorn:

JohnDoe 08-11-2013 10:31 AM

What of the warn winches is water proof? And is the synthetic cable that ENGO offers worth the extra $100?

NJO 08-11-2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe (Post 4065630)
What of the warn winches is water proof? And is the synthetic cable that ENGO offers worth the extra $100?

CCOR sells the EPF12000s with cover, synth line and wireless remote for about $500 shipped. Synthetic line is the way to go. Steel wire sucks, rusts, kinks,is much heavier, is a lot more dangerous etc..........

JohnDoe 08-11-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 4065827)
CCOR sells the EPF12000s with cover, synth line and wireless remote for about $500 shipped. Synthetic line is the way to go. Steel wire sucks, rusts, kinks,is much heavier, is a lot more dangerous etc..........

Mind posting a link to it? :thumb:

Jerry Bransford 08-11-2013 11:32 AM

The whole waterproof wihch thing is more of a current marketing fad. A winch will operate completely submerged in fresh water and not suffer any permanent damage. Think of our engine starter motors which is the same type of motor used in a winch. Starter motors are open to the elements, not sealed, mounted down low on our engines, and they get continually soaked as they get splashed continually when driving in a rainstorm. Do they have problems from getting wet? Nope.

Yes you could submerge the winch in fresh water & it would work just fine while submerged.... it's only in salt water where that wouldn't work.

NJO 08-11-2013 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJDave (Post 4065607)
:popcorn:

When it comes to the "VR" series they are.

JohnDoe 08-11-2013 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 4065846)
The whole waterproof thing is more of a marketing fad. A winch will operate completely submerged in fresh water and not suffer any permanent damage. Think of our engine starter motors which is the same type of motor used in a winch. Starter motors are open to the elements, not sealed, mounted down low on our engines, and they get continually soaked as they get splashed continually when driving in a rainstorm. Yes you could submerge the winch in fresh water & it would work just fine while submerged.... it's only in salt water where that wouldn't work.

Good to know, I know next to nothing about winches haha I'm a bit if a newbie here

JeepersDave 08-11-2013 11:39 AM

Any winch is better than no winch, but an unreliable one will piss you off sooner and more often than having no winch.

Warn overrated? By whom? Usually those without Warn experience. I have a M8000 that's over 25 years old....used heavily throughout its life.....zero failures. I took it in to Warn in Milwaukie, OR to be freshened up for its new TJ home. When I got it back it looked as brand new for substantially less than your normal Chinese wannabe winch would cost, and no major parts were needed. If you're looking for a reliable product, choose wisely with good information. I chose Warn because I wanted USA built, reliable, local service if needed, and parts always available. Of course, I work just across the street from their factory, which made it even easier to choose Warn !

If you plan to really use a product, buy the best you can reasonably afford. It's cheaper in the long run. And as always, please, if you have a choice, buy American made products. The job you save may be your own !

NJO 08-11-2013 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnDoe (Post 4065845)
Mind posting a link to it? :thumb:

CCOR

Engo USA - Winches ? EngoUSA Hydraulic Winches ? Buy Direct and Save!

And here is a link to an old shootout featuring 9k winches: https://cdn.shptrn.com/media/mfg/515...pdf?1342639499

If you look at the scoring, you will see that a lot of the scores were bogus(points for packing, labeling,instructions remote function.........the stupid fluff stuff.) But when it comes to the submerge, stall test etc. the $400 engo in reality outperformed pretty much all the other winches, including the $1500 WARN and it did so with greater efficiency. The latest engo series wound motors are extremely efficient and draw significantly less power from the battery than a lot of the older "name brand" winches. My ENGO 12k has performed flawlessly. Its really quiet, doesn't get hot or draw a ton of power from the battery, and has serious pulling power. I was able to pull out a loaded TJ stuck in mud 2 feet deep effortlessly where a 10k Superwinch was stalling and couldn't generate enough pulling torque. For $500 you just can't go wrong. And ENGO's customer support is absolutely top notch too. My winch cover after a year started to fade a bit(it was only 15 bucks)when I called to order a new one, they just asked for my address and sent me a new one free of charge. Fantastic people. CCOR has the best prices on em hands down. Call for a quote and tell them you are a JF/JW forum member for your discount. :thumb:

NJO 08-11-2013 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeepersDave (Post 4065866)
Any winch is better than no winch, but an unreliable one will piss you off sooner and more often than having no winch.

Warn overrated? By whom? Usually those without Warn experience. I have a M8000 that's over 25 years old....used heavily throughout its life.....zero failures. I took it in to Warn in Milwaukie, OR to be freshened up for its new TJ home. When I got it back it looked as brand new for substantially less than your normal Chinese wannabe winch would cost, and no major parts were needed. If you're looking for a reliable product, choose wisely with good information. I chose Warn because I wanted USA built, reliable, local service if needed, and parts always available. Of course, I work just across the street from their factory, which made it even easier to choose Warn !

If you plan to really use a product, buy the best you can reasonably afford. It's cheaper in the long run. And as always, please, if you have a choice, buy American made products. The job you save may be your own !

First off, this isn't "25 years ago" and this isn't the M series winch in discussion here. This is the "VR" series...........today..........not an 8274 or winch from WARN's premium line. Even so WARN's winches are and always have been heavily overpriced for what you get. Built in the USA or not(which does not guarantee a better product overall).

Redsand 08-11-2013 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJO (Post 4065926)
First off, this isn't "25 years ago" and this isn't the M series winch in discussion here. This is the "VR" series...........today..........not an 8274 or winch from WARN's premium line. Even so WARN's winches are and always have been heavily overpriced for what you get. Built in the USA or not(which does not guarantee a better product overall).

There IS a reason warn costs more

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NJO 08-11-2013 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redsand (Post 4065961)
There IS a reason warn costs more

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Yep, its that red and black sticker. :rofl: Im not against Warn, I wouldn't mind an 8274. But not for 1500-2k. Jeez you can buy a used TJ for that now. What exactly is a winch. A drum, solenoid, line,housing, motor, and a few planetary gears and a clutch. $1-2k for that? That's a lot of dough.......and it doesn't buy you any redundancy either. For the price of a premium WARN winch, you can buy 2 ENGO winches(or similar cost winch),and now have 2 solenoids, 2 sets of synth line, 2 drums etc etc and still have hundreds of dollars left over saved. Now you have redundancy and a wallet that's a bit heavier. :thumb: :D :rofl:

krisbman 08-11-2013 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NJO (Post 4066016)

Yep, its that red and black sticker. :rofl: Im not against Warn, I wouldn't mind an 8274. But not for 1500-2k. Jeez you can buy a used TJ for that now. What exactly is a winch. A drum, solenoid, line,housing, motor, and a few planetary gears and a clutch. $1-2k for that? That's a lot of dough.......and it doesn't buy you any redundancy either. For the price of a premium WARN winch, you can buy 2 ENGO winches(or similar cost winch),and now have 2 solenoids, 2 sets of synth line, 2 drums etc etc and still have hundreds of dollars left over saved. Now you have redundancy and a wallet that's a bit heavier. :thumb: :D :rofl:

I cant justify the money on a warn either and the Engo has really caught my attention. I currently am winchless and after a close call last weekend its on my priority list. Im leaning heavily towards the Engo with synthetic line due to the weight and the$$$ unless i find something on CL.

JeepersDave 08-11-2013 12:55 PM

I certainly have no issues with other quality brands, and from what you're telling us, the ENGO falls in that category. I have no reason to doubt your word.

I do see more often than not, people using inferior products, relying heavily on that product to never fail..... And admittedly, it doesn't just apply to winches. But in this situation, VR series, M series, ENGO, whatever one may choose, my point was and is, don't be fooled by a lower or higher price. As I stated earlier, do your research and buy the best you can afford. Trusting a potentially dangerous situation to a mechanical device than can and will fail is quite serious. Not only should one buy the best quality affordable, but buy for how it is intended to be used and know how to properly use it.

I stated that my M8000 is over 25 years old because it hasn't failed me since the first time I used it and it has been used and sadly, abused many many times over those years....again, no failures.

I chose Warn, perhaps if ENGO was around back then and met my criteria, I might be writing about that.


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