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Gmansc 08-22-2013 07:29 PM

Bent Sway Bar mount and front end offset?
 
Hello all,

While looking at my new to me 2000 TJ I noticed the right front tire was sticking out past the fender app 1.5 inches more than the right. Upon closer inspection I noticed the sway bar mount on the left side axle was bent hard toward the side sticking out. The sway bar has also shifted to the right side. If I repair these issues should this line things back up?

The math works, the SB and the axle mount are both moved about the same amount as the axle.

It drives fine, I just noticed the offset while checking some other stuff out.

Big Sarge 08-22-2013 07:39 PM

Post up some pics of the suspension. Sounds like you have a broken track bar to me.

Jerry Bransford 08-22-2013 08:12 PM

Likely you have a suspension lift which moves the axle towards the driver's side. The taller the suspension lift, the more towards the driver's side the axle is pulled by the track bar. That is due to the track bar which connects the axle at its passenger-side mount to the frame mount on the driver's side.

The track bar is what positions the axle properly left-to-right and after installing a suspension lift, you need an adjustable length track bar to recenter the axle.

Gmansc 08-22-2013 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge (Post 4109867)
Post up some pics of the suspension. Sounds like you have a broken track bar to me.

Just went out with a flashlight and checked the TB. It is not loose or broken.
The only thing I see bent is the sway bar mount and the SB has slid to the right app 1.5 inches.

Should the SB be able to slide/move between the two mounts on top of the frame that hold it in place?

Sorry about no pics, being a newbie I have not figured out how to post them yet.

Jerry Bransford 08-22-2013 08:18 PM

The track bar should have absolutely zero/none/nada movement where it is attached to its mounts.

Big Sarge 08-22-2013 08:36 PM

Judging by some of your other posts you are not running a lift!!?! What are you using to access this forum. I can help walk you through uploading photos. We are going to need them to help you out.

JSY 08-22-2013 08:40 PM

Since they missed your question, yes the sway bar can slide side to side. Some put a hose clamp on each side of the bushings to keep it centered.
If you mean the axle side sway bar mount is bent, take off the sway bar end link and pound the mount back straight with a BFH.

And about axle offset, what Jerry said.

Big Sarge 08-22-2013 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JSY (Post 4110110)
Since they missed your question, yes the sway bar can slide side to side. Some put a hose clamp on each side of the bushings to keep it centered.
If you mean the axle side sway bar mount is bent, take off the sway bar end link and pound the mount back straight with a BFH.

And about axle offset, what Jerry said.

I don't think we missed his question (not the important one anyways). In the first post he stated that his whole axle is 1.5" further to the right. The sway bar can be disconnected and thrown away without direct life threatening consequences. A broken,bent,loose or otherwise malfunctioning track bar could be very bad.

Gmansc 08-22-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 4110006)
Likely you have a suspension lift which moves the axle towards the driver's side. The taller the suspension lift, the more towards the driver's side the axle is pulled by the track bar. That is due to the track bar which connects the axle at its passenger-side mount to the frame mount on the driver's side.

The track bar is what positions the axle properly left-to-right and after installing a suspension lift, you need an adjustable length track bar to recenter the axle.

This is starting to make sense. The PO told me the TJ had a lift when he bought it and he had it removed. The axle is pushed out to the passenger side so I am thinking it had a longer Track Bar and whoever took the lift off left the longer TB on?
And yes it currently has no lift.

Jerry Bransford 08-23-2013 12:14 AM

What you deduced makes a lot of sense, good thinking on your part. Installing a longer track bar to compensate for a suspension lift would cause the axle to shift too far towards the passenger side if the suspension lift was removed. If your aftermarket track bar length is adjustable, shorten it until the axle is centered again. Or replace it with a factory track bar.

Something else mentioned above shouldn't be done... since the front axle moves side-to-side as the suspension moves/cycles up & down, the factory designed to antiswaybar so it can also move slightly side-to-side to follow the axle. The antiswaybar should not be fixed in place with a clamp or other similar device with the factory links which can break off from that happening.

The reason antiswaybars like Currie's get away with being fixed in place is because they include antiswaybar links with heim joints on both ends so the axle can move side-to-side without breaking the links.

Gmansc 08-23-2013 05:27 AM

Thanks for all of the help. The TB looks stock but the mount does not. Is it possible when the lift was removed an offset mount was left on. Do some suspension lifts come with new TB mounts? And last, if so can I just put a stock mount back on?

Gmansc 08-23-2013 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge (Post 4110089)
Judging by some of your other posts you are not running a lift!!?! What are you using to access this forum. I can help walk you through uploading photos. We are going to need them to help you out.

I am using an Apple device. I do have some pictures of the TB mount I would like to post.

Jaxon1023 08-23-2013 05:55 AM

You can always open a photobucket account and upload to it then copy and past the link here. Use the link that has [img ] [/img ] in it

Jaxon1023 08-23-2013 05:57 AM

But yes if it has a track bar mount that is bolted onto the original mount take it off and make sure the original hole is not larger then the track bar bolt or you'll have a really bad problem with death wobble

Jaxon1023 08-23-2013 06:03 AM

If you have something like these two take them off

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o...e3e4a6e03f.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o...395cc7f703.jpg

You want your mount to look like this

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o...3b158a88d6.jpg

It should only have one hole. Some people will drill a hole to the right about an inch and a half to use a stock track bar. That's how mine came when I purchased it. If you see that also you want to use the hole to the left for a stock setup

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o...051c55e5d2.jpg

Gmansc 08-23-2013 06:20 AM

Thanks for the stock pic above. I do have an extra bracket mounted below that one that moves the TB down app 2 inches and over toward the drivers side 1.5 inches.

And I am betting they enlarged the hole to install the bracket. I will try to upload a pic if I can.

Big Sarge 08-23-2013 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Gmansc (Post 4111061)

I am using an Apple device. I do have some pictures of the TB mount I would like to post.

If it is a tablet or iPhone when you click reply to thread you will see a plus sign next to the send button. Click on that and either choose between upload from photos or from camera, when upload is done you will see the new reply tab again in the upper left. Click thy and it will go to the original screen. Hit send and it will post your pics

Gmansc 08-23-2013 08:47 AM

I do not see a plus sign. I am using my IPod, I wil look again later.

Big Sarge 08-23-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gmansc (Post 4111548)
I do not see a plus sign. I am using my IPod, I wil look again later.

This is what it looks like on my iphone

Gmansc 08-23-2013 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge (Post 4111575)
This is what it looks like on my iphone

My device is older and not showing anything like that. I will try to open a Photo Bucket account later and upload a pic on the extra bracket.

Gmansc 08-29-2013 05:39 PM

Thanks for all of the help. I did find a track bar offset bracket that was not taken off when the PO had the lift removed. I had to cut two spot welds but that sucker is off and now the front axle is centered.

But now the Steering Wheel is off center. I know I need to adjust the drag link but to save trial and error does anyone know which way I need to go?


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