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RRTRI 08-29-2013 09:05 PM

Ace & zeon?
 
Using the search I could find where someone asked the question but no answer was given.

I'm looking at mounting a Warn ZEON 10-s to an ACE Mid Width w/Bull Bar bumper. (this one: ACE JK Mid Width Bumper (Bull Bar)


Has anyone done this or does anyone know if it will fit? I have a Warn 9.5 CTI-s mounted to our Gecko on the same ACE bumper but the ZEON (planned for our Red one) is about an inch wider than the 9.5. It is looking very very close to me by my eyeball if I an inch more would fit.

Thanks in advance to anyone who might know!

RRTRI 09-03-2013 07:24 PM

Wanted to follow up on this for anyone else who may be wondering in the future.

Bottom line is the ZEON does not fit the ACE mid width bumper with the bull bar. I called ACE last week and they told me the thought they had mounted one but used spacers. They said 1/4" but I'm finding it to be different.

3/4" spacers would be required. That is approaching territory I don't want to deal with. In addition it is a bit deep by about 1/8". I think you could make it fit the depth by trimming the grill.

Between trimming the grill and having it ride on 3/4" spacers I decided I will return it and go with the 9.5 CTI that already know fits without any modification.

Here is the ZEON showing the gap:

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/...ps885b7887.jpg

wrh3 09-04-2013 12:14 PM

That stinks, I am hoping their Pro front bumper will work with this winch since that is the combo I want to buy- have to sell my 10A bumpers first.

RRTRI 09-04-2013 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrh3 (Post 4279353)
That stinks, I am hoping their Pro front bumper will work with this winch since that is the combo I want to buy- have to sell my 10A bumpers first.

You might want to call them and ask if the mounting areas is the same dimension as the style I have. It needs to be about 1 1/2" wider to fit a ZEON flush. That still doesn't allow for the depth to be any different though.

Looking on their site I see that the pro series is showing a CTI mounted to it. Not sure if that is any indication it is the same dimension or not.

In their defense the ZEON is fairly new and it is huge. I'm sure there are lots of bumpers it doesn't fit without mods of some sort.

I was buying the ZEON on what seems like the most bang for the buck (if you are set on a Warn) not because I disliked the CTI. CTI is great, just a bit bummed I will be spending a few hundred more than I wanted to for as much as it will be used.

wrh3 09-04-2013 01:51 PM

I have a PRO bumper on my wife's JK so if I have not heard back from the email I sent them when I get home, I'll just measure it. It looks like it needs to be at least 24.25" wide for the Zeon 10. The Engo 10k we have on her's now is only 21.9" and it looks like the mount area is like yours using the front mounting bolts as a reference point. The 9.5 Cti is 23.1" wide.

http://billswebspace.com/jeep171.jpg

Maybe Jason at KOR will see this thread and share some information, I think he was planning to install the Zeon on his Pro bumper. Poison Spider bumpers are listed on the Warn Zeon website as working with a spacer plate, I wonder if this could be adapted to this application or if Ace will offer something similar:

http://shop.poisonspyder.com/Zeon-Wi...-57-010-03.htm

wrh3 09-04-2013 02:08 PM

Wow, ACE is quick- this was their response:

Bill,
Thank you for your email. We were able to get a 10-s zeon on the front of our jk8 by making some spacers to lift the winch a 1/4 inch to allow it not to rub the bumper. we can make these spacers for you also if needed.


--
THANK YOU
AJ OUVRY
PRODUCTION SUPERVISOR
WWW.ACEENGINEERINGANDFAB.COM
(586)806-6641

narphenal 09-04-2013 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrh3 (Post 4282689)
Wow, ACE is quick- this was their response:

Bill,
Thank you for your email. We were able to get a 10-s zeon on the front of our jk8 by making some spacers to lift the winch a 1/4 inch to allow it not to rub the bumper. we can make these spacers for you also if needed.

--
THANK YOU
AJ OUVRY
PRODUCTION SUPERVISOR
Welcome to ACE Engineering - Jeep Rock Rails, Stubby Bumpers, Tubular Fenders & Aftermarket Parts
(586)806-6641

Awesome! Recently installed the pro(thanks again for your hell and advice), and was planning to mount a zeon on it, and clearance had completely slipped my mind. Might have to get in contact with them on the spacers.

RRTRI 09-04-2013 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrh3 (Post 4282689)
Wow, ACE is quick- this was their response:

Bill,
Thank you for your email. We were able to get a 10-s zeon on the front of our jk8 by making some spacers to lift the winch a 1/4 inch to allow it not to rub the bumper. we can make these spacers for you also if needed.

--
THANK YOU
AJ OUVRY
PRODUCTION SUPERVISOR
WWW.ACEENGINEERINGANDFAB.COM
(586)806-6641

I'd love to see 1/4" work. I came up with some 3/4" spacers and they were the minimum to get it to clear. I had 1/4 in hand based on the same information they gave me verbally. They were not even close.

Are they talking the pro series here? If so maybe that is the difference and and I didn't make that clear when I talked to them.

wrh3 09-04-2013 02:26 PM

Yes, I completely missed your post where you said you talked to them and they suggested spacers. I specifically asked about the Pro bumper and it could be different than their original style bumper, it looks to be a little deeper than the Pro but that could just be the pictures.

RRTRI 09-04-2013 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrh3 (Post 4283145)
Yes, I completely missed your post where you said you talked to them and they suggested spacers. I specifically asked about the Pro bumper and it could be different than their original style bumper, it looks to be a little deeper than the Pro but that could just be the pictures.

Agreed. I just looked at the pictures as well. Visually it does look like the well isn't quite as deep on the pro series vs the standard mid-width. If it isn't just the pictures and that is actually the case I could see 1/4" working.

Would also be curious for ACE to chime in to confirm that is the case.

AJFROMACEENGINEERING 09-23-2013 11:40 AM

Do to the growing number of people wanting to use a larger winch like the warn power plant and the zeon 10 we have made a kit that will allow you to mount them to both ACE Front Bumpers.

ACE Winch Spacers

This kit comes with longer winch mounting bolts that are grade 8 and the spacer that will give you enough clearance to mount those larger winches.

Thank you
AJ

wrh3 09-23-2013 11:44 AM

:thumb:

2five22 09-23-2013 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJFROMACEENGINEERING (Post 4793593)
Do to the growing number of people wanting to use a larger winch like the warn power plant and the zeon 10 we have made a kit that will allow you to mount them to both ACE Front Bumpers.

ACE Winch Spacers

This kit comes with longer winch mounting bolts that are grade 8 and the spacer that will give you enough clearance to mount those larger winches.

Thank you
AJ


That is service!

RRTRI 09-23-2013 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJFROMACEENGINEERING (Post 4793593)
Do to the growing number of people wanting to use a larger winch like the warn power plant and the zeon 10 we have made a kit that will allow you to mount them to both ACE Front Bumpers. ACE Winch Spacers This kit comes with longer winch mounting bolts that are grade 8 and the spacer that will give you enough clearance to mount those larger winches. Thank you AJ

Good to hear! If it had existed a few weeks ago it could have saved me the additional $300 it cost me to switch to the CTI I knew fit without spacers. I think I should get one of those snazzy new lava jackets for my pain and suffering. :)

Just kidding.....but I am glad to know there is a kit available to run them for those who need it going forward. Nice job coming up with a simple solution for those who can't manufacture one!

KrawlOff-Road.com 09-23-2013 12:59 PM

Dang it! Just now seen this post... and ACE beat me to it!

Yes, they now have spacers to allow you to mount the larger winches to their bumpers. Our spacers should be here today and we can let everyone know how they work. We are also working on getting them up on our site. Please let us know if there is anything we can do to help out in the mean time...

-Jason

AJFROMACEENGINEERING 09-23-2013 01:56 PM

I will get some pics up on here soon so everyone can see what it looks like.

BManz 09-23-2013 03:41 PM

This thread and the responsive solution is another reason to buy ACE Engineering products. Bravo, ACE! Bravo!

AJFROMACEENGINEERING 09-24-2013 05:29 AM

Well here are a few cell phone images of a Warn Zeon 10-S mounted to the ACE Pro Series Front Bumper w/ Bullbar using the prototype spacer. If anyone has questions please let me know.
http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/w...ps4c8c8bed.jpg
http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/w...ps92c06fdd.jpg

wrh3 11-03-2013 07:37 PM

I took some pics today too, no issues when using the spacers:

http://billswebspace.com/rubi91.jpg

http://billswebspace.com/rubi92.jpg

http://billswebspace.com/rubi93.jpg

RedSectorA 11-03-2013 09:31 PM

That is a great looking build Bill.

wrh3 11-03-2013 09:44 PM

Thanks, I have ACE narrow fenders in the garage (maybe next week) and a rear bumper on the way.


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