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bamawheeler 03-21-2009 05:10 PM

Lifter noise
 
My Jeep at 150k has started making that dreadful marble rolling noise, lifters of coarse, after you first crank it, then in a minute or so it goes away. It doesn't effect the performance, or cause a miss, but just enough to piss you off. I have built engines for years, and have always hated hearing of people putting new lifters on an old camshaft, but I thought I might try it. I hate you have to pull the head on a 4.0 to do this, kind of a bad design I think, but oh well. Has anyone else done this job before ?? and did you have a good end result of the camshaft holding up to the new lifters ?? Any and all advice would be appreciated................Shawn

bamawheeler 03-23-2009 07:52 PM

Had someone tell me today that the lifter removal can be done with the head on, as long as the pushrods are out, and you have the special lifter tool ?? Anyone ever tried this ?? Any motor gearheads on here that have went through the same thing ?? I know I'm not the only one that has had this crazy noise, did you fix it yourself, or pay the piper to do it ??

Jerry Bransford 03-23-2009 07:59 PM

Did you by any chance recently switch to a different brand/type of oil filter, like perhaps to a Fram? Some oil filters, Fram in particular) often have leaky anti-drainback valves which allow the top-end oil to drain down back into the crankcase causing noisy starts until the oil has had a chance to get back up to the top end. :)

bamawheeler 03-23-2009 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 343017)
Did you by any chance recently switch to a different brand/type of oil filter, like perhaps to a Fram? Some oil filters, Fram in particular) often have leaky anti-drainback valves which allow the top-end oil to drain down back into the crankcase causing noisy starts until the oil has had a chance to get back up to the top end. :)

It had a Puralator filter on it, but I did just change to a Fram....10w40 Valvoline Oil is what I put back in it this time, not sure what they were using before. It has 156k on it, but runs fine, doesn't smoke or anything, just that carzy rattle noise.... I have had 4.0 Jeeps in the past start doing it, this ones just a little louder than the other ones. It does seem to do it more with this Fram filter than it did before. What filter do you think would be the best to use ??

rrich 03-24-2009 12:52 AM

Yup, ditch that Fram.

That oil may be too thin for mileage that high.

When a cam lobe wears because of a new lifter on an old cam, it wears the cam flat(er) it doesn't make noise - unless metal chips got in the lifter.
I'd pull the rocker cover to see which one, whether it's collapsing after sitting or a rocker's going away.
You can also make sure all the rockers are moving the same - eyeball, fingers, or a dial indicator.

At that time look to see if the lifter would fit through the hole - if so, you may be able to grab it and pull it out. Sometimes a magnet will do it, sometimes it takes a tool made for that - I think KD makes one. Some 4.0 heads you can, some you can't.

bamawheeler 03-28-2009 09:34 PM

Changed to a Mopar filter today, and put in 5w30 oil. Noise is not as bad, but a lifter change is still in the near future. I will post some tech pics and info as I do this task.........Shawn

J33P 03-30-2009 01:43 AM

Mopar filters arent made by Mopar, they are made by a company that just puts "Mopar" on them. So basicly your paying for the name.

crazyredneck 03-30-2009 10:33 AM

i use a WIX 51085, and then AMS oil full synthetic,
in the summer i use this:https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/sso.aspx

in the winters, https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atm.aspx

c10seth 09-24-2010 08:07 AM

2002 Wrangler Lifter Tick, Noise
 
Hey all,

Love the forum so far. My 2002 Wrangler has this damn lifter tick on start up sometimes too. I'm kind of confused though because she only has <70K miles. I change the oil every 3K miles with a convetional 5w30. Sometimes she is perfectly quiet when I start her and other days, like yesterday, she sounded like she was more pissed off than a PETA member at steak house. Has anyone had this problem on a lower milage Wrangler? Thanks for your time.

Kindest Regards,

Seth

c10seth 10-15-2010 10:50 AM

Hey all,

I added some Lucas oil stabilizer and some of the Marvel Mystery gas treatment and that had calmed her down a lot. Still ticks a little, but never above about 150 degree F.

rockunlimited2 10-15-2010 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by c10seth (Post 821115)
Lucas oil stabilizer, Marvel Mystery gas treatment

:rolleyes: Fix it right, don't just cover the symptom. Spec out the lifters.

05wrangler 02-08-2011 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rockunlimited2 (Post 821688)
:rolleyes: Fix it right, don't just cover the symptom. Spec out the lifters.

couldnt agree more, i have a LOUD noise coming from my valve cover (towers the front of the jeep it a 2005 4.0) and it is only whenthe engine cold. im not to sure what it is. i use the right oil and filter for it. imma try to get a video posted on here asap anyone help??:banghead::banghead:

streetvan 08-27-2013 07:34 AM

I changed the cam and lifters in my 2001 4.0 jeep tj and I still had the ticking noise after all that work and money. I used a stethoscope on the fuel injectors and that is where the ticking is coming from so I would check the injectors first.


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