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surf4doc 09-08-2013 07:32 PM

Driving in teaming rain and really bad lightening.
 
I live in the lightening capitol of the world and everyday we have really bad thunderstorms during the summer months. I am an Auto Consultant, my own business, I had to drive 25miles to do a car deal on Fri. I had 275x70x18's put on my 10th Anniversary and if I hit any puddles or pools of water, it feels like I am going to lose control of the Jeep. I am used to driving my BMW X3 all wheel drive. I have been in the car business 33 yrs and actually didn't know I could drive at higher speeds in 4wd. What a world of difference in handling in the rain the 4wd made. So if you are ever in bad rains just put it in 4wd and it's a lot safer.

Txrdstr 09-08-2013 07:46 PM

Big diff between 4wd and awd. Straight line, no prob, curves can be an issue... Also t-case is not designed for continual high speed 4wd.

2five22 09-08-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Txrdstr (Post 4402433)
Big diff between 4wd and awd. Straight line, no prob, curves can be an issue... Also t-case is not designed for continual high speed 4wd.


This.

panthermark 09-08-2013 08:10 PM

It feels like you are going to lose control because you have a rear wheel drive, short wheel base vehicle. Your Jeep isn't meant to run on the highway in 4WD. As others have stated, there is a HUGE difference between a 4WD vehicle and a AWD vehicle. Take a curve in 4WD in the rain.....and you might find yourself in a ditch because you are forcing one wheel to break traction.

Lowerumble 09-08-2013 08:19 PM

Snow and ice is a different story. I drive at speed in 4wd on our slick winter roads, but the tires are allowed to slip.

NMBruce 09-08-2013 08:33 PM

What type of consulting do you do?

which tires did you put on our 10A? Which tires are on the BMW? Tires can make a big difference in hydroplaning than anything else, how much water can the tires move and what grip do they provide in the wet.

NFRs2000NYC 09-08-2013 09:10 PM

Disagree with all of the above. The difference that actually matters in the rain are the tires. 4WD means diddly if your tires aren't made for rain (ie any MT). Get proper tires for the type of driving you do. Running an MT in an area with tons of rain on a mostly street driven vehicle is pretty dumb, as you are putting yourself in danger for the sake of looking good. You do not need to put a wrangler into 4WD for rain, ever. It does plenty fine in 2wd provided you have proper rubber. If you do have normal tires, and still feel like you are going to lose control, slow down.

traitor08 09-08-2013 09:13 PM

One, if your gonna brag about being the capital of something, please spell it right.

If you are going fast enough to think you will lose control when hitting a puddle. Slow down.

panthermark 09-08-2013 10:07 PM

The OP is running Nitto Terra Grapplers

oOoYTSEJAMoOo 09-09-2013 10:12 AM

Also,

Previously, Florida was considered to be the lightning capital of the world. However, NASA released a study based on information from the Tropical Rainfall Measurement Mission Satellite that showed Rwanda, Africa is the true lightning capital of the world. It receives nearly 2.5 times as many lightning strikes as Florida.
Reference: travel.nationalgeographic.com

Ruby Tuesday 09-09-2013 10:28 AM

it amazes me how many people who own part time 4wd vehicles dont understand how they work or when to use/not use 4wd

WatchThis! 09-09-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruby Tuesday (Post 4416089)
it amazes me how many people who own part time 4wd vehicles dont understand how they work or when to use/not use 4wd

You shouldn't be to surprised, lots of people can't even change a tire much less understand how a vehicle works. Most people could care less as long as they can just put gas in it and it goes.

surf4doc 09-10-2013 09:15 PM

[QUOTE=NMBruce;4403689]What type of consulting do you do?

which tires did you put on our 10A? Which tires are on the BMW? Tires can make a big difference in hydroplaning than anything else, how much water can the tires move and what grip do they provide in the wet.[I had very aggressive directional Michelins on the X3 and I put Nitto Terra Grappler All Terraine 275x70x18

surf4doc 09-10-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by panthermark (Post 4406249)
The OP is running Nitto Terra Grapplers

What's the OP?

surf4doc 09-10-2013 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Txrdstr (Post 4402433)
Big diff between 4wd and awd. Straight line, no prob, curves can be an issue... Also t-case is not designed for continual high speed 4wd.

So why would my salesman tell me to drive at any speed in 4wd

Txrdstr 09-10-2013 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by surf4doc (Post 4460233)
So why would my salesman tell me to drive at any speed in 4wd

Because he/she don't know any better either.

surf4doc 09-10-2013 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WatchThis! (Post 4416489)
You shouldn't be to surprised, lots of people can't even change a tire much less understand how a vehicle works. Most people could care less as long as they can just put gas in it and it goes.

Excuse me!!!! I have been in the car bus for 33 yrs and I do understand how things work and I have owned probably 50 some cars,because I can, all kinds, all shapes, all configurations and I had a very very successful selling career for a long time. That's unusual for a FEMALE!!!!!!!! I had to know my products and how things worked.

Up Hill Bill 09-10-2013 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by surf4doc (Post 4460201)
What's the OP?

OP = Original Poster. In this thread, that's you, WFriend.

Up Hill Bill 09-10-2013 09:29 PM

I didn't notice what surf's top speed was while in 4WD. If it was under about 45 and the roads were really awash with hydroplaning type surface water, 4WD may have been an OK choice. Without seeing the actual conditions, I'm not going to guess that the OP did something wrong. In the situation, it may have been brilliant. We can't really know, IMHO.

Scottdozerjeep 09-10-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruby Tuesday (Post 4416089)
it amazes me how many people who own part time 4wd vehicles dont understand how they work or when to use/not use 4wd

Agreed. In this info age of www people still choose ignorance over simple research!

surf4doc 09-10-2013 09:40 PM

[QUOTE=Up Hill Bill;4460537]I didn't notice what surf's top speed was while in 4WD. If it was under about 45 and the roads were really awash with hydroplaning type surface water, 4WD may have been an OK choice. Without seeing the actual conditions, I'm not going to guess that they did something wrong. In the situation, it may have been brilliant. We can't really know, IMHO.[/QUOTE
Thank you Bill and I did go 70mph and yes it was raining hard all day and the roads were flooded. I understand the short wheel base and rear wheel drive and the larger wheels and tires but it was scarey when I felt like I was going to lose control.

CharlesS 09-10-2013 09:59 PM

Doesn't matter what tires you have or what vehicle you are driving... driving at 70 MPH in the heavy rain is not something I would do...
You stand a good chance of finding yourself backwards in oncoming traffice, down in a ditch or even worse becoming one with a immovable object.... JMHO

Up Hill Bill 09-10-2013 10:00 PM

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Thank you Bill and I did go 70mph and yes it was raining hard all day and the roads were flooded. I understand the short wheel base and rear wheel drive and the larger wheels and tires but it was scarey when I felt like I was going to lose control.

I can't find a word about maximum speed in 4-HI in my 2012 Owners Manual. It says 25 MPH is max in 4-LO, but just says this about 4-HI:

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But, I would think 70 was a bit excessive in the conditions you described!

One of my favorite attributes of the Wrangler is that I feel no need to speed... 60 on the highway is good for me. I'd usually rather drive my Jeep than get wherever I'm going in a big hurry....

gr8fulKID 09-10-2013 10:06 PM

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Bertman 09-10-2013 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by surf4doc (Post 4460857)
I did go 70mph and yes it was raining hard all day and the roads were flooded.

How'd you plan on stopping that thing quickly if need be?

Bertman 09-10-2013 10:13 PM

This is more entertaining than the bacon, boobs, and beer thread!

Txrdstr 09-10-2013 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill (Post 4461465)

I can't find a word about maximum speed in 4-HI in my 2012 Owners Manual. It says 25 MPH is max in 4-LO, but just says this about 4-HI:

But, I would think 70 was a bit excessive in the conditions you described!

One of my favorite attributes of the Wrangler is that I feel no need to speed... 60 on the highway is good for me. I'd usually rather drive my Jeep than get wherever I'm going in a big hurry....

In the OP defense, I did look it up and the owners manual online did say 4wd hi speed is the maximum safe speed. But not I I. A pt 4wd. I know how pt 4wd works and either could be an ugly crash, or expensive breakdown.

Jstraw 09-10-2013 11:29 PM

When it's raining super hard and I'm on hwy roads, I'll pop it into 4wd... I'd does help with hydroplaning, if it starts I throttle through it. Hydroplaning can happen when the wheels with no power spin slower causing a surfing effect. I've driven through some deep laying water in 4wd and the tires cut right through. Hwy curves seem ok in 4wd but when I'm slowing and sharp turns as well as stop and go turning, I pop it out of 4wd. It is not good on the drive trane to turn on asphalt. If you can feel resistance, you are doing damage. I like jeep 4wd on-the-fly for just those purposes. My 8th jeep and been driving like this for a long time with no problems.

weaselpiuf 09-10-2013 11:34 PM

The difference that actually matters in the rain are the tires.http://digitalso.com/9i.jpg

COLOUJK 09-11-2013 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Txrdstr (Post 4402433)
Big diff between 4wd and awd. Straight line, no prob, curves can be an issue... Also t- is not designed for continual high speed 4wd.

You are incorrect here. When in 4hi you can drive the Jeep at any speed you normally would. You can also make turns on roads as well. You might start getting the lurching of the Jeep if you are doing right hand turns at a light, but if following the curves of a road its completely safe to stay in 4wd even on dry pavement. There is simply not enough differential between the front and rear of Jeep for it to notice.

I have driven in patchy conditions on both a XJ and my JK. Never had a problem with staying in 4hi if the road suddenly goes dry for a little bit.

In the owners manual they recommend not switching into 4hi above I think 40 MPH but I have switched into it doing 50/60 before with no ill affects.


To the OP, the wider the tires you run the more you will get a pulling from hitting deep spots of water. Try hitting a patch in the road with 315's


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