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Joeyfoster8 09-16-2013 05:25 PM

First time off roading, thoughts? Damage?
 
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So, yesterday took my stock 4 door wrangler sport off-road with 33's for the first time. Lets just say the trail turned into more then stock friendly rocks. As the day went on, it went from being a fun trip out on the trail to a stressful "when the hell" is this gonna end. Deep water holes filled with huge rocks that you didn't know where there until you hit them underneath somewhere.
I heard about a dozen boulders smack my undercarriage. My only thought was, this frigging jeep is wayyy to expensive to be doing this.
Now i'm nervous taking it out again, my alignment is more then likely out now and going to chew up my tires. My passenger plastic step-bar is completely broken underneath (i knew that was coming).
How do you get back out on the trails after a day like this? I know jeeps are built for off road, but the second i break something im up shits creek because i doubt warranty will cover me.
Any encouragement would be greatly appreciated.

nwbronco 09-16-2013 05:29 PM

Just like being an infant again. The first steps are the hardest. You will soon learn to run my friend. And parts are plentiful.


Bob K.

panthermark 09-16-2013 05:32 PM

You gotta pay to play!

Nice pics...

Joeyfoster8 09-16-2013 05:37 PM

Haha pay to play, i've heard of that before. Im not sure if i should lift my rig or spend a ton of money on skids, diff covers, pumpkin skids... Or just not wheel it at all and keep the value of the truck. My first new vehicle... So its a tough choice on what to do.

10to10 09-16-2013 05:44 PM

Well you had a good time right? Pictures looks great! If your going to play your going to pay as the saying goes. If you break parts then you look for replacement parts on craigslist or upgrade..welcome to Mods. I've seen a lot of stupid over the years with folks taking their new ride out and trashing it, but it seems like you had some fun and didn't do any major damage. You found some of the limits of your stock rig but more importantly you found some of your own personal limits.

Build up your driving skills before you get yourself into a whole lot of stupid you can't get out of. And you do own an expensive rig so there's nothing wrong with being cautious. lots of crud gets posted on you tube but rarely do you ever see what the repair bill costs. This is your rig, your cash, don't feel bad for trying something and messing up, because we have all been there and most of us will be there again. Next time out just think ahead a little, look for multiple lines, and take it slow. We all like to think were just as capable skill wise as our rig is capable, but very few actually are.

Barmanvarn 09-16-2013 05:57 PM

Start on trails that are "simple" and slowly work your way up.

After each trip, do an assessment of where you found your rig to be lacking and start to build a mental list of what mods you should do.

Scraping in rock a lot? A lift and some skids.

Broken step bar? Get some rock sliders.

Hitting mud/water holes a lot? Extend breather hoses and maybe get a snorkel.

Take your time and don't rush it.

TrueNorth 09-16-2013 06:10 PM

Your JK came with skidplates from the factory.
Unless your oil pan is oil canned your fine.

The plastic steps are just that. Plastic steps. Toss em.

Get yourself some tow straps, a 2 ton come along and have some fun wheeling in a Jeep.

You will get stuck.

Your new Jeep will get scratched.

You will make it home.

Joeyfoster8 09-16-2013 06:40 PM

One of the best parts about my new jeep is the "jeep community" thanks for all the advice. Im sure everyones first time with there new jeep was gut wrenching. The sound of those rocks bashing underneath did not sound good.

Moonrider 09-16-2013 07:12 PM

Had the same feel after my first off road trip. I have 35" with 2.5" and rock sliders lift so i didn't have problems from underneeth, only thing that bothered me and stil does are the bushes and branches. I got some minor scratches on my black hardtop and barely seen on the body. I had fun and everything, but i should ve been more careful not getting off the main road :)

JacobL 09-16-2013 07:24 PM

When you go off road it can be stressful because you know jeeps were made for that but it also looks so nice with no scratches and things like that. Thats just a decision you have to make and jeeps are money pits, good money pits though! Once you learn more about going off road you can be more careful and take things slow when they need to be taken slow and go fast when you need too! Going off road is not like driving on pavement you only have to worry about other cars and things like that, but off road you have to worry about holes, rocks and things breaking and snapping. As long as you are careful though and only push the vehicle to your level of expertise then things wont snap and break! Just remember things WILL break and like i said they are expensive to fix but so fun!

Riccochet 09-16-2013 07:46 PM

Yeah, beating up a new Jeep sucks. I backed my 2 week old JKU in to a rock and punctured the diff cover. Thank god I had brake cleaner, JB weld and a propane torch to patch it up. Made a JB weld and leaf type fiberglass patch and cooked it with the torch to dry it. lol. It worked good enough to get me home.

I'd say if you are going to wheel before mods the best investment you can make is in gear. Recovery gear, tools and supplies are priceless on the trail. JB weld and duct tape go a long way when you need to get home.

ElectricJay 09-16-2013 07:54 PM

I would go out with some experienced jeepers and learn from them. They can show you what lines to take and how to approach hills. They will give you good advice and be happy to help. I have wheeled with some guys on this forum and they look out for newbies. Good luck!

clull05rubi 09-16-2013 08:05 PM

I love the scratches and gouges on my jeep. It wasn't new wen i bought it but it sure looked like it and i scratch it up all the time. It gives it character and chance for a good story/memory

jadmt 09-16-2013 08:17 PM

unless you were really going at too fast of speed I doubt your alignment will be off. slow and smooth in the rocks.

302 09-16-2013 08:22 PM

Your biggest mistake was wheeling by yourself. Always wheel with experienced jeepers... Learn from them, and if/when you mess up they will assist you.

peanut09 09-16-2013 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 302 (Post 4628433)
Your biggest mistake was wheeling by yourself. Always wheel with experienced jeepers... Learn from them, and if/when you mess up they will assist you.

X2 and check your fluids now that you went through deep water :drinks:

jadmt 09-16-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeyfoster8 (Post 4625089)
One of the best parts about my new jeep is the "jeep community" thanks for all the advice. Im sure everyones first time with there new jeep was gut wrenching. The sound of those rocks bashing underneath did not sound good.

things sound way worse then they are. click on the photo and watch. I spent 12 hours in this stuff and no damage other then paint scratched off the stock skid plates. I would have swore it was going to be dinged up from one end to the other but nada

http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps977d1830.jpg

Txrdstr 09-16-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeyfoster8 (Post 4623121)
So, yesterday took my stock 4 door wrangler sport off-road with 33's for the first time. Lets just say the trail turned into more then stock friendly rocks. As the day went on, it went from being a fun trip out on the trail to a stressful "when the hell" is this gonna end. Deep water holes filled with huge rocks that you didn't know where there until you hit them underneath somewhere.
I heard about a dozen boulders smack my undercarriage. My only thought was, this frigging jeep is wayyy to expensive to be doing this.
Now i'm nervous taking it out again, my alignment is more then likely out now and going to chew up my tires. My passenger plastic step-bar is completely broken underneath (i knew that was coming).
How do you get back out on the trails after a day like this? I know jeeps are built for off road, but the second i break something im up shits creek because i doubt warranty will cover me.
Any encouragement would be greatly appreciated.

If worry about the cost to play, you shouldn't, maybe should get a sports car to zip around on the pavement, will be less stressful for ya... Or say f it and have fun, if it breaks, fix it.

jadmt 09-16-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 302 (Post 4628433)
Your biggest mistake was wheeling by yourself. Always wheel with experienced jeepers... Learn from them, and if/when you mess up they will assist you.

somebody had to take the photos lol. I see at least one other vehicle.

302 09-16-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jadmt (Post 4628809)
somebody had to take the photos lol. I see at least one other vehicle.

Yea my bad, skimmed through. See it now in pic#3. As far as taking pictures, that's why I wheel with my wife. "Hey, get out and take a picture of me doing something cool". heh

She needs the exercise anyway.

d_rehmann 09-16-2013 09:02 PM

Didn't have the time luxury of reading all the posts but just remember. The first scratch is always the hardest. Many more will come if you wheel. If you can detail your ride every 6 months (to keep it looking new) and keep up with maintenance, I think you should be fine.

JKJeepit 09-16-2013 09:12 PM

I would add a few items...
if you haven't yet, crawl under your jeep and look for items that aren't protected by skid plates. stock skids do a good job but there are several areas that need skid plated.. depending on the yr 2012-and up have a transmission lines that runs below the tranny pan and can be snagged by rocks easily..
the oil pan isn't protected...
the diff cover are very thin... and if rocks are common you might want to upgrade the covers..
mud and water holes.... they always present possible hidden issues, deeper holes, rocks, tree branches.... etc... unless I know the area and am pretty sure at whats under the water I now try to avoid them... plus mud on the suspension can cause issues if not cleaned off and allowed to dry and harden ...

A few skids would work wonders...

happy jeepin.

tranny line pic

2resa 09-16-2013 09:17 PM

Ahhh, the sound of metal on rock - only in a Jeep. If you break something, you get to replace it with something better. Not the cheapest hobby but more fun than oragami.

jadmt 09-16-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 2resa (Post 4630385)
Ahhh, the sound of metal on rock - only in a Jeep. If you break something, you get to replace it with something better. Not the cheapest hobby but more fun than oragami.

for minute I thought you wrote more fun the orgasm lol

legitposter 09-16-2013 10:26 PM

I went off roading for the first time a few weeks ago. Very light trails... It was addictive from the first moment and for the first time ever I didn't care about dust, possible scratches, dents, etc.

I have a rule though: Ill never go in water that gets up to even halfway up the axles. I'll turn around. These modern vehicles simply cannot handle water and modern engines and transmissions are like little princesses compared to the old days.

Anyways, thanks for posting this. You clearly had fun.

RRTRI 09-16-2013 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jadmt (Post 4628617)
things sound way worse then they are. click on the photo and watch. I spent 12 hours in this stuff and no damage other then paint scratched off the stock skid plates. I would have swore it was going to be dinged up from one end to the other but nada

http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps977d1830.jpg


That sure looks like a rock side waiting to happen. I would have been more nervous about than any minor damage to my rig. Looks like a cool trail though.

Of course it appears driving on a paved road isn't much safer: Taiwan: giant boulder falls near car / Se salva de ser aplastado por una roca. Keelung, 31 Aug 2013 - YouTube

KP50 09-17-2013 12:58 PM

First time out I hung up the gas tank skid on a large rock and got quite a few pinstripes along the side of a brand new black '13. Main thing I was concerned about was getting off that rock or walking a few miles on a 90 degree day to find someone to help. So my next mod was a winch :)

Kind of upset me bit to scratch up a new 30K Jeep but I bought it to have some fun with the kids off road and let them install some mods so they wont be car-illiterate when they start driving. Plus no one will point at mine and say 'mall crawler' so I guess thats a good thing lol.

Cozmik 09-17-2013 01:15 PM

Before I took my '13 Rubi out for the first time (with a whopping 2000km on it) I had installed ACE rails under the Rubi rails, a Rock Hard engine/tranny skid and a Rock Krawler 2.5" lift. Also had my Rough Country bumper and Runva winch on. Fortunately I had all of this from my '07. It made taking a brand new $45k vehicle out into the wilderness with plenty of rocks far easier on the mind.

A little lift, a little armor and some recovery goes a long way. Enjoy the Jeep and build as you need it.

JKJeepit 09-17-2013 01:39 PM

A few pics of my 2011 JK which saw a ton of wheeling before I sold it.
Skills plates are a must if you do rock crawling.

Jtyson 09-17-2013 03:21 PM

I've only had the chance to go on light trials which haven't caused any damage. Except for my skid plate coming loose and me tearing it off as soon as I got my after market bumper. I'm sure when the day comes that I hit a couple rocks I will cringe, but I bought my jeep to have fun in. So after reading all the advice ill make sure to get some covers for that extra piece of mind


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