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Saint101 06-09-2009 09:50 PM

The Jeep Wave
Owning, registering, insuring, or driving a Jeep implies knowledge of and intent to abide by the following rules. Failure to obey the rules may result in your being ignored by other Jeep owners as you sit along the side of the road next to your stalled vehicle in a blizzard surrounded by Saturns, Yugos, and Hyundais.

Definition of the Jeep wave: An honor bestowed upon those drivers with superior intelligence, taste, class, and discompfort tolerance to own the ultimate vehicle- the JEEP. Generally consists of vigourous side to side motion of one or both hands, but may be modified to suit circumstances and locally accepted etiqeutte.

Examples of commonly accepted modifications:

Top off: One handed wave above windshield or outside body tub .
Top off during blizzard: Shiver and nod, hands may remain frozen to steering wheel .
Southern/rural locations: Raise fingers from steering wheel, nod.

It's not what you buy, it's what you build and what you do with it.

In keeping with this cardinal rule of Jeeping, categories have been established to account for each part of the equation.

These categories are:

* The Jeep Waving Hierarchy: Based on the vehicle itself. Takes into account the nastalgia factor, the discomfort tolerance quotient, and the amount of owner dedication required to maintain the steed.
* The Moifying Sub-categories: Based on what you do with your JEEP.
* Equipmant Adjustments: What you build.

General Rules

1. All Jeepers are responsible for upholding the tradition of the Wave. Upon contact with a higher scoring Jeep, a Jeeper is
required to initiate the Wave, and continue the Wave until:
a. The Wave is returned
b. The Wave is blatantly disregarded
c. The higher scoring vehicle has passed by and is out of sight

2. All Jeepers are required to return the Wave, unless the initiating vehicle clearly has a negative (below 0) score.

3. All Jeepers are encouraged, but not required, to return the Wave to negative balance vehicles, and take any opportunity presented to guide and mentor them about their responsibilities to their Jeeps in the hopes that they can correct the error of their ways.

4. When unsure of status or wave requirements of a particular encounter, or unable to completely assess the other Jeep's score quickly enough to ensure that the proper Jeep Wave Etiquette rules are followed, immediately initiate wave. It is the spirit of waving that is most important so when in doubt: Just Wave!

The Jeep Waving Hierarchy (JWH)

* Category A - Pre-CJ (Willys/Kaiser/MB/etc): 30
* Category B - Pre-AMC CJ: 27
* Category C - CJ: 25
* Category D - Commando: 20
* Category E - YJ: 16
* Category F - TJ: 15
* Category G - Cherokee, Wagoneer: 10
* Category H - All other Jeeps: 5
* Category I - All other 4WD vehicles EXCEPT yuppie Explorers: 0
* Category J - All other vehicles: -5

The Modifying Sub-Categories (MSCs):

MSC Guidelines:

1. MSCs must be considered during all Jeep encounters, and wave patterns must be adjusted accordingly.

2. MSC 5 is the median - the accepted norm.

3. MSCs from 1 through 4 will increase score as listed.

4. MSCs 6 and 7 will decrease score as listed.

MSC 1: Top off; vehicle, driver, and all occupants covered with mud: +30
MSC 2: Top partially off; vehicle and some occupants covered with Mud: +20
MSC 3: Top on; vehicle covered with mud: +10
MSC 4: Top off during snow, sleet, hail, or heavy rain: +5
MSC 5: Somewhat dirty: 0
MSC 6: Obviously recently washed, but immediately re-muddied a little: -10
MSC 7: Clean, dry, unscratched, untested: -30

Equipment Adjustments (EAs)

Consideration must be given to the current mechanical condition of the vehicle, including all modifications for trailworthiness, comfort, appearance, and spouse-appeasal. These are known as Equipment Adjustments (EAs). EAs are only granted after the work has been completed. We all have plans for EAs, but only the ones actually implemented can be scored.

EAs are a complicated category, and often difficult to appraise under certain conditions (passing head-to-head at 60 mph, when covered with mud, etc) but must be used to modify score when feasible. If a vehicle is so covered with mud that you are unable to ascertain any of the EAs, you MUST assume that the EAs, when combined with the MSC 1 adjustment, would place the vehicle in a higher scoring position than any non-MSC 1 Jeep, and immediately initiate the wave. Otherwise, EAs will adjust score as follows:


* Stock, Pre-CJ, Working Condition: +2
* Stock, 8-cyl: +2
* Stock, 6-cyl: +1
* Stock, 4-cyl: 0
* Replaced, 8-cyl: +3
* Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 4-cyl): +2
* Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 6-cyl): 0
* Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 8-cyl): -1
* Replaced, 4-cyl: -1

Drivetrain Modifications:

* Improved internal mechanical parts (crank/cam/etc): +2 each
* Upgraded Transmission: NV4500 or Turbo400: +3, All others: +2
* Upgraded Transfer Case: +2
* Improved exterior mechanical parts (headers/manifolds/pumps/filters/etc): +1 each
* Stone stock in a pre-1970 vehicle: +3 (for nostalgia and historical analysis)
* All Comfort enhancements removed for more power: +2


* Stock or unremarkable: 0
* Original Tires on Pre-CJ: +2
* Slightly oversized (up to 31"): +1
* Over 31, with other appropriate mods: +2
* Any size, currently covered with mud: +2
* Working tires > 31" with original donut spare: -2
* Low-profile: -10


* Stock, Pre-CJ: +2 if driver can still walk after an hour in the saddle
* Body lift: +1/inch
* Suspension lift: +2/inch
* Spring-Over Lift: +3
* High-quality shocks: +2
* Lowered: -20

Other accessories/conditions:

* Winch, heavy-duty, obviously used: +2
* Winch, heavy-duty, use unclear: +1
* Other winch, obviously used: +1
* Little, chrome-covered, toy winch: -1
* Lockers: +2
* Upgraded axles: +1
* Upgraded transfer case: +1
* Each chrome accessory currently shiny: -1
* Each neon accessory: -2
* Fire extinguishers: +1
* Block and Tackle, anchors, etc: +2
* Ropes, straps, tow chains: +1
* Tow Hooks: +1
* Nerf Bars/Rock Rails, used and scarred: +2
* Nerf Bars, shiny, no scars: -1
* Heavy duty bash/skid plates: +1
* Other protective plating (diamond plate, etc): +2 if scarred, -2 if unscarred
* Extra fuel tanks/oversize fuel tanks: +1
* External Gear Carrying Rack: +1
* Multi disc-CD Player: -1
* More than one subwoofer: -1 each
* First Aid Kit: +1
* Backpack, food, emergency gear (just in case): +2
* On-board air compressor: +1
* On-board Welder: +2
* Girly, shiny chrome center caps: -1
* Krylon home-made paint job: +1 (for realizing it's just going to happen again)
* Blackout Headlight Covers: -1
* Any little flippy interior vanity mirrors: -1
* Children in vehicle: +1/each (for proper training/indoctrination), +2 if muddy, an immediate correction if not belted in.
* EARNED trip stickers/badges/etc: +1/each
* Unearned stickers/badges/etc: -2/each
* Stickers advertising for other than 4wd-related businesses: -2 (except No Fear: -5)
* MSC 1 vehicle in corporate lot sharing with neighbor vehicles: +1 per vehicle decorated
* Correct mental attitude, seen or proven: +3
* Windshield down: +1 (+2 if raining/snowing)
* Bugs left on face/teeth as evidence of recent windshield down driving: +1 (+2 if more than a week old)
* CB radio or other communication tool (for emergency only): +1
* Hi-Lift Jack: +2
* Flexible caulking to fill leaks and body damage: +2
* Dogs as passengers, properly secured: +1 (sharing the joy of Jeeping)
* Bringing a new Jeeper into the Family: +5
* Extra Lighting, used for night-wheeling, not pastel or neon colored: +1/ea

Battle Scars:

* Mashed hood, top, etc., obviously from roll-over: +3
* Holes above glove box where passenger ripped grab-bar out: +3
* Heavily gouged rocker panels: +2
* Bloody seats: +2
* V-bent front bumper from being pulled out of that REALLY bad one: +2
* Scarred sides from those mis-judged rocks: +1
* Any small parking lot dent/scratch still identifiable: -1
* Other accessories bent, folded, mangled or mutilated: +1, EXCEPT:
* See above, but said item is owned by your spouse: +2
* No scars whatsoever: -3 (Unless Pre-CJ restored, then: +3)
* New body due to rust only: -5 (unless a rescue, see discussion below)
* New body due to damage: Previous damage points carry over (see discussion below)
* Fire Damage (bubbled paint, singed seats, etc): +2
* Limbs, Shrubs, etc attached well enough to remain at highway speed: +1/each

jgano23 06-10-2009 07:11 AM

i scored a 54. i'll have to try harder

Saint101 06-10-2009 09:00 AM

On your TJ or YJ

jgano23 06-10-2009 09:04 AM


Saint101 06-10-2009 09:11 AM

My scored is 51. I need to play in the mud more.

Saint101 06-10-2009 09:13 AM

It is a cj7 frame but it has YJ body. Is it A CJ or YJ

jgano23 06-10-2009 12:25 PM

it's a Scout YJ7 :D

Saint101 06-10-2009 05:11 PM

I will let it be.

buckshot500 06-11-2009 01:30 AM

Here in the South, everyone waves at everybody! Even if they aren't driving at all, & even if they are in another brand vehicle.

I make a point to wave to all CJ's, YJ's, TJ's, & now JK's regardless of mods. Waggy's & J-trucks too!
Cherokees get the jeep wave only if I notice them waving, or they have any visible mods.
Way too many stock Cherokees with soccer mom's around here who know nothing of the jeep wave!

Tjrunner 04-13-2010 12:10 PM

if i counted everything up right i got a 27:9lame: i am ashamed however i havent had the jeep long so the score will go up or ill die trying

04tjrubicon 04-13-2010 12:15 PM

I give the finger to jk's

MMata77 11-27-2010 02:14 PM

im not sure but i think i scored a sixteen for my stock 93. Guess i have a lot of work to do

amerijeep 11-27-2010 03:25 PM

This "The Jeep Waving Hierarchy" is total BS. It isn't about rank and never has been. Newbs often fall for that. Driving a JEEP is about being a member of the fellowship. We wave at each other for that reason.

MikeMTJ 11-27-2010 03:29 PM

47 is my score. I SHALL OBTAIN OVER 9000 POINTS.

MMata77 12-09-2010 08:20 AM

i dont know what is wrong with people, but no one in Michigan does the jeep wave. How rude

Lariatryder 12-09-2010 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by 04tjrubicon
I give the finger to jk's


Lariatryder 12-09-2010 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by MMata77
i dont know what is wrong with people, but no one in Michigan does the jeep wave. How rude

Everybody in Michigan is effing rude to begin with. I've never met a more pissed off colony of people. You open the door for them and they don't appreciate it

jp2611 12-09-2010 10:23 AM

My experience with people in MI has been a little different than yours-one of my favorite "overnight get aways."

As for the wave up there, I have found it similar to Indiana. In the smaller towns everyone waves larger towns many are "too busy" to notice anything else - but not all. If you don't wave every time guess what eventually no one else will either.

jcf 12-09-2010 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by 04tjrubicon (Post 597259)
I give the finger to jk's

I will remember you so next time you are in Moab there are some REALLY good trails waiting :rolleyes:

Peepers 12-09-2010 10:35 AM

36ish on a TJ... must be all those lights boosting my score...

MMata77 12-11-2010 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Lariatryder (Post 915436)
Everybody in Michigan is effing rude to begin with. I've never met a more pissed off colony of people. You open the door for them and they don't appreciate it

Not every one, it's not fair to generalize because of location. but most are and thats why i cant wait to leave this summer and never look back

beefmobile 12-12-2010 02:41 PM

I got a 60, I'm happy with that...

MMata77 12-26-2010 08:47 AM

After a month and a half of waiving i finally got some one who waved back.

myjeepandmydog 12-26-2010 09:47 AM

Here in Delaware it is a surprise when I get a wave back. I have almost stopped waving, until last week when I went to the wife's family in PA. Man did I feel bad when a YJ waved and I didn't. IT was great everyone waved up there. Back into the style of waving at all jeeps I see.

MMata77 01-10-2011 11:06 AM

i must finally look like i belong now every one waves

captgentry 01-10-2011 11:24 AM

"This "The Jeep Waving Hierarchy" is total BS. It isn't about rank and never has been."

I'm pretty sure the rules aren't official or anything. Besides... I think using the term "newbs" for any reason other that quoting someone else makes you a dweeb.


Simplegreenvr6 01-10-2011 11:25 AM

Maybe I'm just lucky, but unless its an older lady everyone waves here in Richmond, VA. i like it.

XtrmTJ 01-10-2011 12:55 PM

84 :d

ropanach 01-10-2011 09:46 PM

I've been waving my arms off, out the window through the wind sheld, out the wing window, and in two months I,ve only gotten 3 waves, Untill today,:):)

I was on my way home from work, as allways I drive with my squares looking at you ( head lights on ), It snowed about 1/2" when that happends around here seams like every body has a jeep, I past a tj waveing hard, nothing :mad:, see another jeep comeing so I flashed my lights to bright and back really quick, and waved,:D11 waves useing the flash,:D

Whate doe's this mean I am cheeting :confused:

magicman37 01-10-2011 09:59 PM

A lot of the 4 door JKs ive noticed dont wave... they are all clearly stock and the owner probably was after a mid sized SUV and knows nothing about jeeps. :(

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