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islandmonkey 07-17-2009 11:39 AM

Lift question, I am about to get this Jeep tomorrow
 
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Hello guys, I just took pictures of these raisers, they feel plastic. Should I be worried? I am totally new to this Wrangler thing, I am about to give this guy a check tomorrow, and remembered he told me he lifted the car with his friends help 3 inch he said t think....

I am sure those are the oes in pictures, I just wanted to make sure they are safe. I have never seen a lift kit nor did lifting at all.

Thank you in advance

4Jeepn 07-17-2009 11:45 AM

Bad news: looks like a 3" body lift
Good News: You can remove it and start over with a real lift.

The issue with tall body lifts is they place a lot of stess on the bolts. Most folks stay with a 1" or at the most a 2". how much is the Jeep? year miles etc? If the jeep is in great condidition and the price is right.. I would get it, and then remove the body lift.

islandmonkey 07-17-2009 11:52 AM

2000, 122k miles, eveything works, +bigger tires, +big flares, etc... for $6800

So, it is not safe? What is the difference between those lifts, cause I am not meesing with unlifting or lifting, I do not wanna buy hassle at all.

I wil of course listen to other owners too.... Maybe it is not that bad, but I drove it dude, loved it.. If it is really bad news, i will be sad..

islandmonkey 07-17-2009 12:21 PM

I found an article about this:

There are essentially two ways to lift your 1987-95 Jeep Wrangler YJ: suspension lift or body lift. Each has its pros and cons in terms of price, performance, and ease of installation, but let's first distinguish between the two.

A suspension lift raises the vehicle's frame (chassis) away from the axles by replacing the springs with taller (or more arched) springs. A body lift raises the vehicle by lifting the body away from the frame with spacers. This keeps the frame at its existing distance from the ground. A suspension lift is recommended for anyone planning to use their vehicle off-road while a body lift is recommended for anyone that wants to make their vehicle look lifted with no true intentions of going off-road. This doesn't mean that a body lifted vehicle can't go off-road. It just won't perform as well as a suspension lifted vehicle because it hasn't gained any ground clearance. Suspension lifts for the Jeep Wrangler YJ typically range between 2-inches to 4-inches (though there are some companies that produce "extreme" kits in excess of this), while body lifts range between 1-inch to 3-inches.

A suspension lift is more complicated than a body lift because it alters all of the suspension components that give the vehicle its factory ride characteristics. Taller leaf springs are typically stiffer than factory leaf springs so the vehicle will have a harsher ride quality than with soft factory springs. Longer shock absorbers will be needed. The vehicle will also have a higher center of gravity because the entire weight of the vehicle (everything except the axles) will now be raised further from the ground. In some cases, the transfer case will need to be lowered and the rear differential repositioned to minimize driveline vibrations as the Jeep Wrangler is notorious for having a short rear driveline that isn't readily accepting to increased u-joint angles.

Pros: Increases ground clearance, increased approach and departure angles, allows fitment of larger tires.

Cons: Expensive, longer installation time, drive line angles are increased (more susceptible to vibrations), brake lines need to be re-routed or lengthened, new shocks needed, increased center of gravity.

A body lift is relatively simple in that it primarily consists of a set of spacers that are inserted at the mounting points between the frame and body of the vehicle. This leaves all the heavy parts of the vehicle (frame, engine, transmission, transfer case, etc) at their factory locations so the vehicle's center of gravity (though increased) will not be increased as much as a suspension lift.

Pros: Cheap, can be installed quickly with basic hand tools, allows fitment of larger tires, simple (all components come in a small box).

Cons: Appearance (there will be a noticeable gap between the body tub and the frame), extra leverage is placed on the mounting points, no increase in ground clearance.

Ultimately, a body lift provides no benefits other than allowing the installation of larger tires whereas a suspension lift is designed for improved performance off-road (while also allowing the installation of larger tires). If you're on a budget and want to make your Jeep Wrangler look like a big off-road rig with no real intentions of ever going off-road, then a body lift would be adequate for you. However, if cost isn't a factor and you're looking to make your Wrangler more off-road capable and trail ready, then a suspension lift is the only way to go.

If you're looking for a suspension lift or body lift for your 1987-95 Jeep Wrangler, WranglerYJ.com sells Jeep Wrangler suspension lifts, Jeep Wrangler body lifts, and thousands of other new and used Jeep Wrangler parts with an ever-changing inventory of items.

Article Source: Dorian Jepsen - EzineArticles.com Expert Author


stevens243 07-17-2009 12:25 PM

Yeah, that pretty much nails it. Use a 1 (maybe 2") BL to add to a suspension lift for bigger tires.

So, you can pull those 3" pucks out, replace them with 1" pucks and add a 3-4" suspension lift (many great ones out there) and be good to go.

4Jeepn 07-17-2009 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by islandmonkey (Post 402964)
2000, 122k miles, eveything works, +bigger tires, +big flares, etc... for $6800

So, it is not safe? What is the difference between those lifts, cause I am not meesing with unlifting or lifting, I do not wanna buy hassle at all.

I wil of course listen to other owners too.... Maybe it is not that bad, but I drove it dude, loved it.. If it is really bad news, i will be sad..

If you like the jeep buy. Just understand that down the road the body lift might present some issues for you depending how you wish to use the Jeep. I would however check the following area's.
1. Gas filler lines to tank
2. AC lines if it has AC of course
3. Radiator shroud
4. Steering shaft joint area

Those are things that are affected with going with a larger body lift and can be trouble if not done correctly.

Schmo 07-17-2009 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by islandmonkey (Post 402964)
2000, 122k miles, eveything works, +bigger tires, +big flares, etc... for $6800

So, it is not safe? What is the difference between those lifts, cause I am not meesing with unlifting or lifting, I do not wanna buy hassle at all.

I wil of course listen to other owners too.... Maybe it is not that bad, but I drove it dude, loved it.. If it is really bad news, i will be sad..


Personally I wouldn't drive a Jeep with a 3 inch Body Lift . . . not only for the safety reasons, but also due to all the snickering that will be done by other Jeep owners when they see it ;) You could check the areas mentioned above and remove the BL, not a big deal at all, but it wouldn't be hassle free.

Really you should smack the current owner upside the head for being an idiot and have him knock off the price whatever the hassle of removing the BL is worth to you! :D

islandmonkey 07-17-2009 02:34 PM

You sound like it is very easy. Is it?

I have to say this again, i am not of-roader or will off road any time soon.
I might test it few spots but, it will be daily driver and fishing, hunting, boat pulling machine......

Will i be able to do all that with these lift thingys???

Thank you


Quote:

Originally Posted by stevens243 (Post 402982)
replace them with 1" pucks and add a 3-4" suspension lift (many great ones out there) and be good to go.


islandmonkey 07-17-2009 02:37 PM

Snickering?
Make fun??






Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmo (Post 403021)
but also due to all the snickering that will be done by other Jeep owners when they see it ;) :D


islandmonkey 07-17-2009 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmo (Post 403021)
Really you should smack the current owner upside the head for being an idiot and have him knock off the price whatever the hassle of removing the BL is worth to you! :D

Sale price was $7800, he already went down to $800 and $200 for worn tires, I don't know man.......

Can anyone direct me to the right direction if I happen to want to remove the lift with pictures instruction???

Thanks

islandmonkey 07-17-2009 02:54 PM

Very helpful, thank you


Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Jeepn (Post 402998)
If you like the jeep buy. Just understand that down the road the body lift might present some issues for you depending how you wish to use the Jeep. I would however check the following area's.
1. Gas filler lines to tank
2. AC lines if it has AC of course
3. Radiator shroud
4. Steering shaft joint area

Those are things that are affected with going with a larger body lift and can be trouble if not done correctly.


Levinoss 07-17-2009 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by islandmonkey (Post 403044)
Snickering?
Make fun??

Yea, lots of body lift is like a guy wearing high heels it just aint right.

islandmonkey 07-17-2009 03:23 PM

I don't think everyone will notice, second, i don't think it is a reason to back out of a deal.. What do you think?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levinoss (Post 403058)
Yea, lots of body lift is like a guy wearing high heels it just aint right.


Levinoss 07-17-2009 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by islandmonkey (Post 403071)
I don't think everyone will notice, second, i don't think it is sa reason to back out of a deal.. What do you think?

You can remove the body lift it aint that big of a deal.

BLACKTOOTHGRIN 07-17-2009 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by islandmonkey (Post 403071)
I don't think everyone will notice, second, i don't think it is a reason to back out of a deal.. What do you think?

Umm....yeah, most people will notice.
No, it's not a reason to back out of a deal because the BL can be removed.
But it kinda sounds like you're dead set on buying it anyways. :cool:

If you don't intend to offroad at all,
and you don't intend to lift it or dump the BL,
why not just buy a stock TJ that someone hasn't messed with?
(Mickey-Moused) :crash:
Just a little more peace of mind IMO.

islandmonkey 07-17-2009 08:02 PM

It is time sensitive.... Let see....
I have been looking for the right Jeep for 8-9 days since my crash, looked @ ebay, autotrader, local dealers. Could not find it at any local dealers, ebay and trader: I gotta test drive, and feel the vehicle, I dont have luxury to fly and come back for test drive, also shipping charges.

So 3 or 4 days ago after seeing all dealers, i decided to look at local ace parking lot (ppl have been selling cars there, local ppl)
Saw it, called the number on it, he showed up for me to test it, my kids and wife rode it, wife drove it as well, all of us liked the way it looks and all. I negotiated for the past 3-4 days, almost sealed the deal for tomorrow.

The catch is, I just found out about body lift today, it looks like Jeep will still serve my purpose.. So...

What do you guys think?
Should I dump it just because BL?
you said WILL notice it, I am not a show off, and dont have to expain nothing to anyone.. My family and lifestyle matters.





Quote:

Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN (Post 403172)
Umm....yeah, most people will notice.
No, it's not a reason to back out of a deal because the BL can be removed.
But it kinda sounds like you're dead set on buying it anyways. :cool:

If you don't intend to offroad at all,
and you don't intend to lift it or dump the BL,
why not just buy a stock TJ that someone hasn't messed with?
(Mickey-Moused) :crash:
Just a little more peace of mind IMO.


InfernoGirl 07-17-2009 08:38 PM

If you aren't going to be hanging out with a bunch of 4 wheelin' snobby types then it won't matter....

I would consider removing it for the sake of the bolt stress, not to far down the road, maybe replace it with a smaller lift, drive it, love it, and it will love you back! :D

islandmonkey 07-17-2009 08:47 PM

i dont have a single 4wheeler friend, i must be in ok shape then....

I believe I can easily remove the BL later, and probably install something different for solid look. (to me it looks solid anyways).
I did not driv eit more then 4 miles, it was shifting great, and the giuy is local for 20+ years, this is very small community.

I feel ok about this. All of you were awesome for your sincere help. I appreciate it. Keep them coming :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by InfernoGirl (Post 403256)
If you aren't going to be hanging out with a bunch of 4 wheelin' snobby types then it won't matter....

I would consider removing it for the sake of the bolt stress, not to far down the road, maybe replace it with a smaller lift, drive it, love it, and it will love you back! :D


stevens243 07-17-2009 10:48 PM

Infernogirl is right. If you don't take it offroad and expect it to perform well on the trail, it'll do.

Personally, I'd get rid of that BL lift first damn thing, but hey, that's just me.

If all else is well, go for it.

mlt503 07-18-2009 12:36 AM

If you like it, then buy it!
 
Hey IslandMonkey, I've driven a '93 Wrangler with a 3" body lift and it drove just great until I sold it 80k miles later. This thing took me all over the country without breathing hard, mind you I drove "sensibly."
I just bought a '97 TJ Sahara (looks like yours, only in White) - it had a 2" Body Lift on it and I added an extra 3" Teraflex Lift Kit. Put 35" tires (from Tirecrawler.com, what a great place) and it rides and handles fantastic.
The only comments I get on it are good!!!
No one and I mean NO ONE will look at your great Jeep and snicker - no one (except the liberal weenies who think you're hurting the "environment).
If the rest of the underside looks as good as the pictures show, looks pretty good for 122k miles. Test drive it and good luck. And DON'T forget to get a Carfax too! They are not definitive, but they'll help you make the right decision.
Good Luck bud :wavey:
Mark

PS
The point about too much lift is valid to a point, in my case I can't expect to rough up my Jeep but then it's just for looks for me.

islandmonkey 07-18-2009 06:55 AM

I did test drove it, i liked it. Carfaxed it too. Thank you for the info. It is much appreciated.


Quote:

Originally Posted by mlt503 (Post 403349)
Hey IslandMonkey, I've driven a '93 Wrangler with a 3" body lift and it drove just great until I sold it 80k miles later. This thing took me all over the country without breathing hard, mind you I drove "sensibly."
I just bought a '97 TJ Sahara (looks like yours, only in White) - it had a 2" Body Lift on it and I added an extra 3" Teraflex Lift Kit. Put 35" tires (from Tirecrawler.com, what a great place) and it rides and handles fantastic.
The only comments I get on it are good!!!
No one and I mean NO ONE will look at your great Jeep and snicker - no one (except the liberal weenies who think you're hurting the "environment).
If the rest of the underside looks as good as the pictures show, looks pretty good for 122k miles. Test drive it and good luck. And DON'T forget to get a Carfax too! They are not definitive, but they'll help you make the right decision.
Good Luck bud :wavey:
Mark

PS
The point about too much lift is valid to a point, in my case I can't expect to rough up my Jeep but then it's just for looks for me.


Loic 07-18-2009 09:14 AM

fyi, i just changed the tires on my jeep, 4 tires 31" Big O all terrain, $700 with $100 discount.

islandmonkey 07-18-2009 09:33 AM

Did you get them online? if yes, where?


Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loic (Post 403416)
fyi, i just changed the tires on my jeep, 4 tires 31" Big O all terrain, $700 with $100 discount.


Loic 07-18-2009 10:12 AM

no, locally, last time i also changes the tires on the discovery and at that time it was buy 3 get the 4th free. also because it's the big o brand it comes with road hasard warranty for 3 years (i think 3).
i used to leave in marietta GA but dont recall seeing the Big o tire place there. check their website.

neo 07-18-2009 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by islandmonkey (Post 402964)
2000, 122k miles, eveything works, +bigger tires, +big flares, etc... for $6800

So, it is not safe? What is the difference between those lifts, cause I am not meesing with unlifting or lifting, I do not wanna buy hassle at all.

I wil of course listen to other owners too.... Maybe it is not that bad, but I drove it dude, loved it.. If it is really bad news, i will be sad..

3 in body lift are safe.but 2 inch or 1 inch body lifts look better:cool:neo

mlt503 07-18-2009 11:39 AM

Great place for tires
 
Before I bought new tires I did some research and found a site called: tirecrawler.com in California.
I bought 4 35x12.50 Goodrich KM2 tires (for 15" wheels) and paid $705 and that included the delivery charge.
Call 1-888-396-5261 and talk to Denny Allen. He's a good guy and very helpful.
They were delivered in 3 days (I hated waiting) and I've been driving on them for 2 wks and they are great!
Just my 2c worth.
Good luck,
Mark:)

islandmonkey 07-18-2009 12:33 PM

Sounds great!

I got a pretty common question here: Lot of people buy tires online, what if you do not have the equipment?? How do you get them installed? Anyone at home can do it??

Cause local tire stores would wanna sell their own product, would they just charge you for installation? I am very curious

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlt503 (Post 403453)
Before I bought new tires I did some research and found a site called: tirecrawler.com in California.
I bought 4 35x12.50 Goodrich KM2 tires (for 15" wheels) and paid $705 and that included the delivery charge.
Call 1-888-396-5261 and talk to Denny Allen. He's a good guy and very helpful.
They were delivered in 3 days (I hated waiting) and I've been driving on them for 2 wks and they are great!
Just my 2c worth.
Good luck,
Mark:)


islandmonkey 07-18-2009 12:52 PM

So is this adequate and decent for 1" BL?
Northridge4x4 Jeep Parts: Body Lifts

Where do you guys think I can get some detailed instructions on removing the 3" ones and putting 1" ones? I won't do it immediately but info is always important ;)

Thank you

J33P 07-18-2009 01:08 PM

You can't install your own tires in your garage, you need a special machine. A local tire shop will install whatever tires you have, or at least they should for a fee.

Ericl 07-18-2009 03:40 PM

6,800 hmmm... I bought my 1inch lift 97 tj with 128,000 miles (with over 800$ in parts including a new clutch (not including labor)) for 3,000$.

However yours has much better bodywork than mine. I spent around 200$ for paint and tools and exterior parts and now it looks brand new. Only thing is that the color, some people say it's girly (discontinued bright jade metallic/teal) but I think it's unique.


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