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islandmonkey 08-09-2009 09:11 PM

Is this a good sound upgrade? Says 6" speakers
 
VDP Six Speaker Upholstered Overhead Sound Bar for 87-02 Jeep Wrangler - Sound Bars - WindRockOffroad.com

or this one?


http://www.windrockoffroad.com/Catal...dproduct=13587

I just need more bass without subwoofer.

thank you

89PBR96 08-09-2009 09:43 PM

Mine is a vdp with the 2 6 inchers in it sounds pretty good also have infinity dash speakers 3 ways

catITguy 08-09-2009 10:00 PM

I vote against the VDP soundbar. I bought the 3way 6" soundbar from VDP only about 2mos ago and am already upgrading to a system with amp and larger speakers. I think I even managed to damage one of the 6" woofers with a bottom end Sony head unit (no amp until now). Also couldnt really hear the music and what I did hear was gutless with the top off going more than 35mph or so.

89PBR96 08-09-2009 10:03 PM

I ran mine on the interstate 80 mph no top sounded good i could hear it maybe mine was built on a good day idnk

catITguy 08-09-2009 10:31 PM

idk, maybe mine is the oddball, but I have not been impressed. I have exactly 1 datapoint and my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it ;)

also just out of curiosity where in central IL are you 89PBR96? I live in Metamora (NE of Peoria).

89PBR96 08-09-2009 10:35 PM

Pekin
I guess I didn't buy mine was in the jeep when i bought it. So thats just my thoughts of it

BLACKTOOTHGRIN 08-10-2009 02:41 AM

Islandmonkey,

I think we talked about this before.
I know your Soundbar will hold 6.5" speakers just fine man.
(Have Faith Brotha) :rolleyes: lol.
All it takes is a $5 drill bit if you don't already have one.
Save the extra dough that you'd spend on a new Soundbar,
and put it into better quality speakers. :cool:

This is my 98 Sahara Soundbar.
Seeee...they fit fine, no cutting. :)
You're still not gonna get much bass outa any Soundbar though.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e.../65Kappas1.jpg

Jiffydarren 08-10-2009 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN (Post 418531)
Islandmonkey,

I think we talked about this before.
I know your Soundbar will hold 6.5" speakers just fine man.
(Have Faith Brotha) :rolleyes: lol.
All it takes is a $5 drill bit if you don't already have one.
Save the extra dough that you'd spend on a new Soundbar,
and put it into better quality speakers. :cool:

This is my 98 Sahara Soundbar.
Seeee...they fit fine, no cutting. :)
You're still not gonna get much bass outa any Soundbar though.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e.../65Kappas1.jpg

Gramps is right. You need subwoofers in the back if you want serious bass. You also need an Obama sticker and dropped suspension.

islandmonkey 08-10-2009 06:59 AM

hehehehehe, i don't do brainshaking bass neither will ever buy sw, never did. Just want little better quality sound. Just got Kicker speakers (70W) for the sound bar, they sound better than pioneers that was put it there, but still not good. I might move these kickers to the front, and install 6.5 inch ones I guess. According to the photo there are sticking out pretty bad though.

islandmonkey 08-10-2009 07:01 AM

So do I take the whole soundbar off to mark the drill holes and drill or, you can do it while it is up there?

Thanks




Quote:

Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN (Post 418531)
Islandmonkey,

I think we talked about this before.
I know your Soundbar will hold 6.5" speakers just fine man.
(Have Faith Brotha) :rolleyes: lol.
All it takes is a $5 drill bit if you don't already have one.
Save the extra dough that you'd spend on a new Soundbar,
and put it into better quality speakers. :cool:

This is my 98 Sahara Soundbar.
Seeee...they fit fine, no cutting. :)
You're still not gonna get much bass outa any Soundbar though.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e.../65Kappas1.jpg


BLACKTOOTHGRIN 08-10-2009 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiffydarren (Post 418534)
Gramps is right.

Gramps?
Where are you getting that idea from?
Doesn't matter....
here's a treat for ya anyways kid.
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...YS/zbottle.jpg
Now be good, or I'll have to stick you in the corner.
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...YS/36_2_53.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by islandmonkey (Post 418555)
So do I take the whole soundbar off to mark the drill holes and drill or, you can do it while it is up there?

Thanks

Naw, you can leave it in man.
It might be a little easier if you take it out.
That way you're drilling down instead of up, ya know?
I left mine in when I did it though.

All you have to do is screw the new speaker in place with one of the existing screws.
Mark where the other 3 new holes need to go,
Drill them out, and screw in you're new speaker.

The reason mine look like they are sticking way out is because of that particular casing and grill.
If you don't want them to do that,
buy something with more of a flush mount casing and grill.
Or don't use the casing and grill at all. :)

islandmonkey 08-10-2009 07:31 PM

Did u ever take the hardtop off and listen to music?
I always have bikini top with no doors, I keep the jeep in the garage.



Quote:

Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN (Post 418531)
Islandmonkey,

I think we talked about this before.
I know your Soundbar will hold 6.5" speakers just fine man.
(Have Faith Brotha) :rolleyes: lol.
All it takes is a $5 drill bit if you don't already have one.
Save the extra dough that you'd spend on a new Soundbar,
and put it into better quality speakers. :cool:

This is my 98 Sahara Soundbar.
Seeee...they fit fine, no cutting. :)
You're still not gonna get much bass outa any Soundbar though.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e.../65Kappas1.jpg


islandmonkey 08-10-2009 07:34 PM

where do I find the adapter for 4x6 to 5.25 conversion?

BLACKTOOTHGRIN 08-10-2009 08:00 PM

Yeah, but I also have 1100watts of power behind my stuff.
It's a little different. :)

I bought mine from offroadtoystore.com, but it looks like their website is down.
Try them later, or maybe do a google search.
Sometimes you can find some on ebay as well, but I won't vouch for the quality.
Some people are also making PVC adapters.
I'd stay away from those though.

Here is a good write up on how to do the mod:
http://www.rockcrawler.com/techrepor...kers/index.asp

It's pretty basic. All you're doing is cutting 1 piece from each side.
This is my dash. I used a Dremel. Done in no time. :cool:



http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...RACKETSIDE.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...EDREADYTOG.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...AINSTALLED.jpg

islandmonkey 08-10-2009 10:11 PM

Very very good info man. You are awesome!!
1100w is extreme for me, i want to live long and be able to hear in old age :)))


Since you understand about these things; do you think about this stereo that came with the car will handle the speakers??


Pioneer DEH-P4900iB CD receiver with MP3/WMA/AAC playback at Crutchfield.com






Chassis Size Code IEJ
CEA-2006 Compliant No
RMS Power Output 22 watts
Peak Output 50 watts
RMS Power Bandwidth 50-15kHz
Preamp Outputs 6-channel
Sub Preamp Outputs Yes
Preamp Voltage 4 volts
Display Color Blue
Key Button Color Green
EQ Bands 3
Sound Shaping Type Easy EQ
Wireless Remote Yes
Steering Wheel Control Compatible ---
Security Detachable face

Flip-Down Face Yes
Parts Warranty 1 Year
Labor Warranty 1 Year
Expandability
iPod Connection/Control Optional audio
AUX Input Rear
USB Input Optional
Memory Card Slot No
A/V Inputs No
Bluetooth Compatible Optional
Satellite Radio Ready Both
HD Radio Optional
Navigation No
Changer Control Yes
Tuner
Tuner Type Supertuner IIID
FM Sensitivity 8 dBf
FM Presets 18
AM Presets 6
European Tuning No
Seek/Scan Seek
Radio Data System No
Playback
CD Frequency Response 5-20kHz
CD Signal-to-Noise 94 dB
CD-R Playback Yes
CD-RW Playback Yes
MP3 Playback Yes
WMA Playback Yes
AAC Playback ---
DVD Playback No

Thank you

sonofabeach 08-10-2009 10:35 PM

I have 6.5 speakers in my dash and soundbar. They do a good enough job. I too made a template for the front speakers.
I've thought about upgrading for more bass but am scared it would be stolen plus I like the room behind the rear seat for stuff other than speaker boxes. Back in the day I used to drop the bass in all my rides but I'm way over that.
Most of the time I'm topless and doorless with the wind blowing so I look at it like I traded in great sound quality for the coolness of driving a Jeep.

BLACKTOOTHGRIN 08-11-2009 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by islandmonkey (Post 419175)
Very very good info man. You are awesome!!
1100w is extreme for me, i want to live long and be able to hear in old age :)))


Since you understand about these things; do you think about this stereo that came with the car will handle the speakers??
Thank you

Yeah, that HU should do fine for what you want.

The only thing is that you might experience some distortion the further you turn the volume up, because your speakers can handle more power than your HU is delivering.
If you bought a small 300w 4-channel amp,
it would definitely clean the sound up for you.
But you may not need it.
It all depends on the person, and how they like their music.

I would suggest to just buy the speaker adapters,
and the speakers that you like first.
Do the install, and see where you're at.
Putting 5.25" in the dash,
and 6.5" in the soundbar does make a difference.

If your still not happy with it,
then maybe look into a 300watt 4-Channel.
(75watts per speaker)
That may sound like alot, but it really isn't.
You said your new speakers are 70watts.
That's a good match - (depending on the ohms)

islandmonkey 08-11-2009 06:51 AM

6.5 in dash?
Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofabeach (Post 419197)
I have 6.5 speakers in my dash and soundbar. They do a good enough job. I too made a template for the front speakers.
I've thought about upgrading for more bass but am scared it would be stolen plus I like the room behind the rear seat for stuff other than speaker boxes. Back in the day I used to drop the bass in all my rides but I'm way over that.
Most of the time I'm topless and doorless with the wind blowing so I look at it like I traded in great sound quality for the coolness of driving a Jeep.


sonofabeach 08-11-2009 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by islandmonkey (Post 419276)
6.5 in dash?

My bad. I just looked at them and I believe they're 5 1/4 in the dash.
It's been a few years so I forgot.
I made templates like the ones in BLACKTOOTHGRIN's post.

mrcarcrazy 08-11-2009 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catITguy (Post 418455)
I vote against the VDP soundbar. I bought the 3way 6" soundbar from VDP only about 2mos ago and am already upgrading to a system with amp and larger speakers. I think I even managed to damage one of the 6" woofers with a bottom end Sony head unit (no amp until now). Also couldnt really hear the music and what I did hear was gutless with the top off going more than 35mph or so.

just a little note. Sony's stuff is called explode for a reason....its junk.

Speakers are damaged by not enough power, and too much volume (the combo causes distortion, burns the coils. So really its no surprise that you damaged the speakers with a low end headunit, cranking them up to hear it @ >35mph.

too much volume+ not enough power = blown speakers.

marketvending 08-25-2009 11:40 PM

does the 5 1/4 speaker cause problems with the glove box opening? Also, I installed 6.5 Polk audio DB651's in the factory sound bar and they fit good. Just need to drill four new screw holes for each speaker.

BLACKTOOTHGRIN 08-26-2009 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketvending (Post 429421)
does the 5 1/4 speaker cause problems with the glove box opening? Also, I installed 6.5 Polk audio DB651's in the factory sound bar and they fit good. Just need to drill four new screw holes for each speaker.

Nope. :)

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...AINSTALLED.jpg

Cons_Table 08-26-2009 09:45 AM

i bought the vdp six speaker soundbar more than 6 months ago and run it off a kenwood deck. the sound is clear and it is more than loud enough. even with my top off, my after market exhaust i can still hear my music going 55-60 all the way to work. i would def recommend the VDP

islandmonkey 08-26-2009 09:42 PM

I just looked at it, it looks like its plastic mold, is it covered wit fabric like existing sound bar?
thank you



Quote:

Originally Posted by Cons_Table (Post 429541)
i bought the vdp six speaker soundbar more than 6 months ago and run it off a kenwood deck. the sound is clear and it is more than loud enough. even with my top off, my after market exhaust i can still hear my music going 55-60 all the way to work. i would def recommend the VDP


marketvending 08-28-2009 10:54 PM

Thanks for the info. I'll pick up some 5 1/4 speakers and get the outside diameter of the magnet so I can make a couple of mounting brackets on the CNC.

marketvending 09-03-2009 07:35 PM

5 1/4 speaker replacement of the 4 x 6 factory ones.
 
5 Attachment(s)
Well I bought some 22ga sheet metal from Home Depot and with the help of the online template I made up a version of this 5 1/4 speaker bracket. I made the diameter hole at 4 1/2 inches for my Clairon speakers. The fit was perfect! No mods to the Jeep at all. No frame to cut on a 2001 Jeep. On the passenger side there is no problem with the glove box opening or closing.

danieldlg_13 10-15-2009 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN (Post 418531)
Islandmonkey,

I think we talked about this before.
I know your Soundbar will hold 6.5" speakers just fine man.
(Have Faith Brotha) :rolleyes: lol.
All it takes is a $5 drill bit if you don't already have one.
Save the extra dough that you'd spend on a new Soundbar,
and put it into better quality speakers. :cool:

This is my 98 Sahara Soundbar.
Seeee...they fit fine, no cutting. :)
You're still not gonna get much bass outa any Soundbar though.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e.../65Kappas1.jpg

Do you have these speakers hooked up to an amp? I can fit almost any 6.5 3-way in the sound bar?


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