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jkb1441 10-25-2006 08:46 PM

Tires Goodyear MTR's & lift
 
Hey hows it going!

I'm looking to get some new tires for my jeep. I have an 05.

I'm looking into the MTR's and hear good things about them.I just have to decide size. Are they good for winter? I live in NE and need some good snow tires.


I wanted to go 33x12.5 (how much of a lift will i need for these to fit?) Are there any good lift kits for under a grand? My other option would be 32x11.5

I was also wondering about back spacing?


I was hoping to keep the budget on the lower side!


Thanks for the help!
Sry about the dumb questions


Thanks!
-Jake

Scoob 10-25-2006 09:30 PM

is that NE as in the North East or NE as in Nebraska. I can tell you if its Nebraska to avoid MT/r's like the plague. They do not do well on rain or snow covered roads. The do even worse in mud. I did find that they did OK if it was fairly deep untouched snow other then that they were some of the worst all around tires I have ever owned.
However if you play in rocks all the time I think they would be a great choice.

You need about 3-4 inches of lift to fit 33's. There are many good lift kits for much cheaper then a grand.

Backspacing. You need about 4.25 or more for 12.5 inch tires.

mrbigjeep 10-25-2006 09:45 PM

no no no...you need 4.25" or LESS...preferably 4" or less...more backspacing means the tires are closer to the body and under the jeep more which means rubbing when turning...in other words any more than 4.25" and its almost guaranteed that you'll rub...i think you mean to say 4.25" or less ;)

scoob is right though, there are plenty of 3-4" lifts for under a grand...good ones too

jkb1441 10-25-2006 10:13 PM

New Hampshire to be exact.....

Thats why im looking for some new tires for the snow and man do we get plenty of that white crap! The jeeps so light i was looking for some extra traction.


Any suggestion at what I should be looking at? What kind of tread type width and such?

Are there any tires that do really good in the winter weather? Should I stay away from MT's?


Thanks again!
-Jake

mr4x4 10-25-2006 10:29 PM

the mtr's are a good tire I dont know about the snow since we dont get much here in the desert.
I do know the mtr sucks in mud they dont clean to well

I have a 3 in. teraflex lift with 33's with out rubing

Scoob 10-25-2006 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkb1441
New Hampshire to be exact.....

Thats why im looking for some new tires for the snow and man do we get plenty of that white crap! The jeeps so light i was looking for some extra traction.


Any suggestion at what I should be looking at? What kind of tread type width and such?

Are there any tires that do really good in the winter weather? Should I stay away from MT's?


Thanks again!
-Jake

If you want a mud tire that does good on the road then get one that is siped. Like the Cooper STT, Toyo's or MTZ's. BFG AT/KO will do very well in the snow. But not so great in the mud (at least compared to a MT) and will last a long time on the road. I have the Mickey Thompson MTZ and absolutely love them.

BigJeep. Sorry for the confusion by "4.25 or more" I meant more backspace (aka lower number), not 4.25 and higher numbers.

mrbigjeep 10-26-2006 01:28 PM

its ok...but backspace isn't like gear ratio...more backspace IS a higher number

jkb1441 10-26-2006 08:57 PM

Any word on the toyo mt's? And how'd they handle in snow?

For good snow proformance do i wan't to stay away from MT's? What should i be looking at for tread?




Thx
Jake

mrbigjeep 10-26-2006 09:14 PM

i think MR. CLIFFORD runs these on his wifes jeep. im pretty sure that he likes them...he said they grip great...i believe they are under the tire/wheel thread as a sticky under general discussion

jkb1441 11-01-2006 01:24 PM

Ok i think im going to go for the 32X11.5 and a two inch lift. (any advice on which lift kits are on the cheaper side?

What do you think or should i just go for the 33's and a 4 inch lift?




I am still just a little confused on the back spacing.

What size would i need for 32x11.5 tires on a 2 inch lift?

Does the bigger number mean that the wheels are further away from the body?



thanks again
Jake

mrbigjeep 11-01-2006 04:10 PM

either setup is fine. if you go with the 2" lift you can go with a coil lift which replaces the coil springs or a spacer lift which is a spacer that goes over the stock coil springs. both are cheap but the spacer lift is cheaper. by the way, the spacer lift is called a BB (budget boost).

whether its 32's or 33's a 15x8 wheel will be fine. or you can go with a 15x10 if you go with the 33's but most people like the 8" wide wheel.

now for backspacing. alright think about the backside of the wheel. now you know that the backside of the wheel has the raised circle in the middle where it mounts on the jeep. (the mounting point where the holes are. now backspacing is the distance from those holes (mounting point) to the end of the wheel (the side that is facing inward when mounted on the jeep) or to the lip or end of the right side of the wheel if we were looking at the jeep from the back and looking at the driver side while they are mounted

most if not all aftermarket wheels for jeeps have a negative offset (because a lot of people buy new wheels for bigger tires and need less backspacing)

so the higher the backspacing 4.5" lets say means that the mounting pad is closer to the street side which means it goes in further to the jeep to be mounted so it is closer in and doesn't stick out as much. less backspacing sticks out more, say 3.5" means its closer to the side that is facing inward when mounted which means it doesn't go in as far under the jeep before it hits the mounting pad so the rest of the wheel is sticking out. sorry so long and hopefully not confusing

refer to this link to help you out

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoWheelOffsets.dos

jkb1441 11-02-2006 06:52 PM

I just want to thank you for all the help!!! Its much appreciated!!!

I just have one last question or maybe 3 or 4:D

Ok so say I get the TOYO 33x13.50R15. Will they fit on my stock rims? You recomend runing them on 15x8?

I think im going to go with these and get a 4 inch lift. Do I need to buy back spacing or anything else??

I guess that since I'm going 33 I will need a new special tire carrier in the back to fit em?


Sorry for all these questions. Its my first time doing this and i want it to be done right!

04tjinsa 11-02-2006 07:14 PM

The bigger the number means the tire is closer to the body.I run 32X11.50 On Rock Crawlers and the backspacing is 3.75

revreed 11-02-2006 09:00 PM

So, let me throw another question in here...

I have a '99 Sahara with the factory wheels on it.

Would the 32 11.5's work with the factory wheel as far as width and backspacing???

Rubicon04 11-02-2006 09:03 PM

This might help with your backspacing questions.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f27/backspacing-3479.html

mrbigjeep 11-02-2006 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkb1441
I just want to thank you for all the help!!! Its much appreciated!!!

I just have one last question or maybe 3 or 4:D

Ok so say I get the TOYO 33x13.50R15. Will they fit on my stock rims? You recomend runing them on 15x8?

I think im going to go with these and get a 4 inch lift. Do I need to buy back spacing or anything else??

I guess that since I'm going 33 I will need a new special tire carrier in the back to fit em?


Sorry for all these questions. Its my first time doing this and i want it to be done right!

you'll rub for sure. and i wouldn't run them on a 15x8. it is recommended that the width of the wheel be within 4 inches of the tire width. you don't "buy" backspacing lol. you can get some kind of adapter or spacer to fit the tire on the back but the tailgate can bend/crack over time from the exta weight

mrbigjeep 11-02-2006 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revreed
So, let me throw another question in here...

I have a '99 Sahara with the factory wheels on it.

Would the 32 11.5's work with the factory wheel as far as width and backspacing???

if its the 8" wide wheels (i think the saharas have those) then it could work. i've heard that they will work for those wheels but if the backspacing is the same (i think it is) i don't see how they would. i wouldn't do it

jkb1441 11-02-2006 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjeep
you'll rub for sure. and i wouldn't run them on a 15x8. it is recommended that the width of the wheel be within 4 inches of the tire width. you don't "buy" backspacing lol. you can get some kind of adapter or spacer to fit the tire on the back but the tailgate can bend/crack over time from the exta weight

So if i got a wider wheel would they not rub? So say for example i wanted these wheels....http://www.quadratec.com/products/92800_00X_PG.htm..... what size of them would I have to get in order for my tires not to rub?

Theses are what you use for the backspacing right? http://www.quadratec.com/products/pr...g&submit=Go%21 (cant you buy the wheel with the proper backspacin already tho?)



Bigjeep im goning to have to start to pay you money for answering all my questions. Thanks again, Jake

Texapple 11-03-2006 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jkb1441


Bigjeep im goning to have to start to pay you money for answering all my questions. Thanks again, Jake

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jkb1441 11-03-2006 05:51 AM

haha hey i just aprecaite you guys helpin this newbie out!

Now back to those question!!!!

mrbigjeep 11-03-2006 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkb1441
So if i got a wider wheel would they not rub? So say for example i wanted these wheels....http://www.quadratec.com/products/92800_00X_PG.htm..... what size of them would I have to get in order for my tires not to rub?

Theses are what you use for the backspacing right? http://www.quadratec.com/products/pr...g&submit=Go%21 (cant you buy the wheel with the proper backspacin already tho?)



Bigjeep im goning to have to start to pay you money for answering all my questions. Thanks again, Jake

yes a wider wheel would keep it from rubbing as long as it has the right backspacing. backspacing is gonna determine whether it rubs or not. if your gonna run 33x12.50's then you can run a 15x8 or a 15x10. the bolt pattern is 5x4.5 and 4" or less backspacing would be good. i see that they have 3 3/4 and that is fine.

i think you still have backspacing a little confused. every wheel has a certain amount of backspacing. you would buy a spacer to use with a stock wheel. the reason for that is because the stock wheels have a high backspacing (which keeps it closer to the vehicle) so you would need the spacer to get it out from the vehicle so that the added width of the tires wouldn't rub when you turned. that is why you get new wheels. if you get wheels with the correct backspacing then it will set the wheels farther from the jeep and keep the added width of the tire from rubbing when turned. in other words, if you get the right backspacing fot the wheel in that link you gave me (3 3/4 is good) then you don't need a spacer cause its already settin it out (just like a spacer would do) because of less backspacing. you don't need a spacer with this wheel. just get the 4" or less backspacing and 5x4.5 bolt pattern and 15x8 or 15x10 and you'll be good to go. remember a 15x10 will stick out more.

no problem. i don't mind tryin to help ya. got any more questions, just ask.

jkb1441 11-04-2006 04:22 PM

Awesome thanks bigjeep!!


Now heres the problem. I was just told by the tire shop and some ppl that the Goodyear Mt/r wasnt a tire you could use on the road and was only off road. And I was also told that toyo tires and not quality and not very good. What do you guys think about this.

If its mostly a DD and I want to do good in snow should I just go 33X12.5 BFG TA ko?

Or should I drop the big bucks for the toyos?

mrbigjeep 11-04-2006 06:43 PM

the BFG AT's are good but the tire shop is full of crap. Mtr's should actually do good on the road. if they were so bad on the road then i don't think that they would have put them stock on the 06 and older rubicons. i've heard of many people getting long life/mileage out of them and having a good ride that is also quiet. toyo tires are fine also. heard a lot of good things about them. they are similar to the Mtr's. not the same but similar. they will be fine on the road too. the BFG muds are probably not quite as good on the road as an Mtr and i drive my bfg muds on the road with no problems whatsoever. if anything the mtr's will be better on the road

Scoob 11-04-2006 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjeep
the BFG AT's are good but the tire shop is full of crap. Mtr's should actually do good on the road. if they were so bad on the road then i don't think that they would have put them stock on the 06 and older rubicons. i've heard of many people getting long life/mileage out of them and having a good ride that is also quiet. toyo tires are fine also. heard a lot of good things about them. they are similar to the Mtr's. not the same but similar. they will be fine on the road too. the BFG muds are probably not quite as good on the road as an Mtr and i drive my bfg muds on the road with no problems whatsoever. if anything the mtr's will be better on the road

The MT/r's are total crap for a road or all around tire. Many tires costing less will outperform them, be cheaper and quieter. You will notice that the new rubi's went to a BFG MT. I bet due to all the complaints of the MT/r. IMO one of the worst tires I have ever owned. They may be great for somebody who lives in the dry rocky area's. But if you drive in rain, snow and mud the are next to worthless. I would go with most anything that has the sipes built in. Like the toyo's, Cooper STT's, Mickey Thompson MTZ's or go with a all tertain tire like trhe supurb BFG AT/KO which is a fantastic road tire and still does fairy well offraod.

mrbigjeep 11-04-2006 09:11 PM

they probably didn't go the the bfg's cause of complaints. they don't care about complaints. they probably went with them cause there cheaper! save some money! :)

Scoob 11-04-2006 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjeep
they probably didn't go the the bfg's cause of complaints. they don't care about complaints. they probably went with them cause there cheaper! save some money! :)

DC does fairly well at listening to its owners. It's how they came up with the rubi having lockers, bigger tires and other things. They listened to what people were asking for and changed the things that people didnt like. Cost of tires and other things just get passed on to the consumer. If the BFG cost more they could have passed it on as well. You would never notice a 25 dollar difference due to tire cost when buying a new Jeep.

mrbigjeep 11-04-2006 09:46 PM

whatever you say

Scoob 11-04-2006 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjeep
whatever you say

WOW, everybody that doesnt buy into your way of thinking (which is seriously flawed) must be wrong huh?

mrbigjeep 11-04-2006 10:00 PM

i didn't say that. i said whatever you say. i didn't say you were wrong did i?

Nick 11-05-2006 10:31 AM

bigjeep isnt wrong. I have run many different tires including mtr's. There only flaw is they dont self clean mud very well. Other then that they are a great tire.


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