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Wolfgang 09-14-2009 08:38 AM

02 Wrangler Multi-Function Switch with Fog Lights
 
The fog light switch is wearing out on mine so I needed a new one (see below post). After searching several dealers, I found a Multi-Function Switch with Fog Lights (aka the turn signal switch aka the headlight switch).

I installed and everything worked great except for the turning signals and hazard lights. They did not work.

I reinstalled the old one and everything worked (so I know it is not a fuse problem).

I ordered another one from Auto Zone (since finding one at the dealers is a big problem right now). I installed it and the exact same problem. Everything works just fine except the turn signals and hazards. Re-installed the old one everything works.

To me, I have isolated the problem to the switches. And either the manufacturer is putting out junk or I'm missing something. I have inquiries into the dealer and Auto Zone to see what's up.

But if anybody can shed any light on this subject, I would GREATLY appreciate it. I have $150 worth of useless parts right now...

first timer 09-14-2009 09:10 AM

switch
 
Had to take mine in and on the third switch finally got one that worked this was at a dealer I think they are just junk-good luck!:)

Wolfgang 09-14-2009 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by first timer (Post 440508)
Had to take mine in and on the third switch finally got one that worked this was at a dealer I think they are just junk-good luck!:)



So you had the EXACT same problem?

(and yes, these switches are definitely junk)

Jp90Talon 09-14-2009 09:52 AM

I said screw it since the only issue I was having was the fogs were flicking on their own. I just pulled the fuse for them and for aboutb $20 in parts from autozone, I hardwired them to a nice toggle. Works great, looks as though it came stock this way, and the best part is I never have to worry about the BS multi-function switch again!

Wolfgang 09-14-2009 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jp90Talon (Post 440518)
I said screw it since the only issue I was having was the fogs were flicking on their own. I just pulled the fuse for them and for aboutb $20 in parts from autozone, I hardwired them to a nice toggle. Works great, looks as though it came stock this way, and the best part is I never have to worry about the BS multi-function switch again!



I thought about that... and I'm getting closer and closer to doing it. But it is the wife's Jeep. She is not opposed to it but she prefers to have the multi-function switch.


Obviously, lots of Jeep owners are having this problem. I find this to be a joke that Chrysler outsourced to a crappy manufacturer (Chevy does the same thing). I see why they are in trouble... I have such disdain for the dinky-doink things that have went wrong with this Jeep that I will not be buying another Mopar product soon..... I had a 1997 Jeep that was a Nickel & Dimer as well.

Hardermods 09-14-2009 10:58 AM

I believe there is a relay on the back side of the switch assembly that you have to remove from the old one and put into the new one. The relay controls the flashers, small black square just pulls out then pushes in.



1.) Relay
2.) Switch


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Wolfgang 09-14-2009 11:31 AM

Jeesh........ I will check that out. Thanks for the info!

I'll feel really STUPID if that's the case, though.

Hardermods 09-14-2009 11:45 AM

hah the PT Cruisers are the same way, first time I did one I didnt know either, got so pissed when they wouldnt work. Only to find out it was because I didnt swap the relay

Rjsimms 09-14-2009 01:27 PM

That is right. That relay is the flasher. Found out the hard way also.

Wolfgang 09-16-2009 09:17 AM

Yep, that was the issue (I needed to transfer the relay). Sure enough all is well now.

I should have figured that out on my own. I looked right at it when I pulled it, thought about it for a half second and got busy putting the wiper-switch on and stuff that I didn't give it a second thought.

I am kind of disappointed in myself.... but it sounds like others did the same thing so I won't beat myself up too badly. HA HA.

Anyhow, thanks to everyone for their help. I truly appreciate it. It is fixed now..... THANKS!

nevets13 12-16-2009 08:28 AM

fog light bypass
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jp90Talon (Post 440518)
I said screw it since the only issue I was having was the fogs were flicking on their own. I just pulled the fuse for them and for aboutb $20 in parts from autozone, I hardwired them to a nice toggle. Works great, looks as though it came stock this way, and the best part is I never have to worry about the BS multi-function switch again!

How did you do it? I need details, I am great with mechanics but when it comes to electrical I am LOST.

Thanks
Steven

maebelone 02-04-2010 01:34 AM

Next switch to go bad
 
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This just in, my Fog lights are doing the same thing. Glad I could get the heads up from all your trials. My big gripe I had this jeep for 7 years. Used the Fog lights twice and now the switch is shot.

michael0045 02-18-2010 03:23 PM

The fog lights trouble started on my 2002 Wrangler about 3 years ago when they would come on randomly on hot days. There was obviously a heat induced short somewhere. As the temp. dropped the switch worked again. Then one day...nothing. The fuse is fine. I am not sure if the multi-function switch is bad or not. I would prefer putting on a toggle switch and bypass the steering column all together. Does someone know where I can get instructions and the parts necessary for that? Thanks very much.

foxtailleader 04-27-2010 11:19 AM

just got my jeep and having the same switch problem
 
I'm a Jeep newbie......

I just got my 2002 Sahara. I am having the same problem with the fog light switch.

I was wondering if the non-fog light switch assembly is the same as the fog light assembly minus the pull out for the fog lights.

If it is, I'm considering replacing the fog light one for the non-fog light one and wiring a rocker switch in the dash (there is a spot already there to pop a black out and add a switch.

Anyone know?

maebelone 04-28-2010 07:53 AM

Switching out
 
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I've read if all your other lights and signals still work with that faulty fog light switch. People have simply added the Togle and kept using the same Multi Function switch. Since it tends to only be faulty with fog light operation.

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MoJeeper 04-29-2010 12:49 PM

The wiring diagram appears that by splicing the switch wires on the toggle to the existing wire harness inside the column would give you the same functionality as the original switch, maintaining the use of the original fuse. It would only require two pieces of wire,the toggle switch and two splices.

TJeepman 05-06-2010 04:10 PM

I'm new to this Forum, just joined today. Am a Moderator on another Forum dedicated to Chrysler Minivans, and a member of the Dodge Forum as well.

Came across this site while doing a search pertaining to my fog lights wanting to stay on. Gotta love those fog lights, especially in snow storms and the ability to use them minus the headlights (with their reflection back) being on. Cruised by lots of drivers struggling in those conditions.

Yes, the fog light switch started acting up, out of the blue, back in February on a warm day. The switch is really acting up now with the warmer weather. If I leave the left turn signal on, when parked, the fog lights stay off. I have ordered a new switch, not cheap even with a discount, and am now thinking about installation. Any tricks to this other than transferring the relay? Looks like the housing is held together with screws of some sort underneath, I'm guess the torx type, haven't experimented yet.

One other problem, of late, is the light coming on in the self dimming rear view mirror for the compass and temperature. It takes its time for some reason and sometimes remains dim. All other lights in the mirror work fine.

Other than a blown socket for the right front park/signal lights, a blower resistor, the rear sway bar links and the right front sway bar link, plus some work done under warranty, the Jeep has been trouble free.

I'm looking forward to sharing with you guys and was attracted to this Forum because it sticks to the basic Jeep rather than covering all lines. I see Chrysler has some discounts on new Jeep Wranglers here (Nova Scotia, Canada) now (today's newspaper), that's unusual.

Cheers and Happy Jeeping.

BigRich 05-21-2010 11:02 AM

I've got the same problem with my fog lights, they only come on when it's hot..unfortunately I live in Needles, CA and it's generally one of the hottest places in the country.

TJeepman 05-21-2010 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRich (Post 630604)
I've got the same problem with my fog lights, they only come on when it's hot..unfortunately I live in Needles, CA and it's generally one of the hottest places in the country.

As to replacement, here's a "how to" Thread.

2001tj 05-21-2010 01:39 PM

Check the electroni flashers.

mm5300 08-25-2010 11:25 PM

Fog light problem
 
I just bought a 2001 TJ Sahara with fog lights. My lights don't seem to be coming on at all. Could that also be a problem with the multifunction switch? If so, is there a way to test the lights to make sure that's what it is before I buy a new one? Thanks.

03 RUBI 08-26-2010 07:43 PM

Run 12vdc straight to the lites. Just use a length of wire.

Duckman4 12-06-2011 05:53 AM

Fog Lights Hard Wired to Toggle
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jp90Talon (Post 440518)
I said screw it since the only issue I was having was the fogs were flicking on their own. I just pulled the fuse for them and for aboutb $20 in parts from autozone, I hardwired them to a nice toggle. Works great, looks as though it came stock this way, and the best part is I never have to worry about the BS multi-function switch again!

I am very interested in hard wiring a set of new fog lights to a dash toggle. I was told I could use the existing wiring harnes to wire them into the toggle on the dash. Can you or anyone give me some "Detail" on how to do this and if there is a manufactureer that sells a toggle that will fit directly into the blank slot on the dash of my 2003 Wrangler X.


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