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hitman76 12-02-2009 01:42 AM

super 35 kit or 8.8
 
I am looking for some help. I have a 97 4.0L with 33's. it has 4.56 gears already. im not going to be doing any hard core stuff but want it strong. I have a pop up tent trailer that i will be using for camping. will the Super 35 kit be enough for some light wheeling and towing the trailer or should i go with a 44 or 8.8? I do plan on adding a locker sometime also. Thanks for you help guys.

adkjoe 12-02-2009 06:41 AM

I'm interested in that as well, is the super 35 enough to run 33's and put a locker in the rear or are you asking for trouble? I was just reading the TJ edition of 4x4 garage and they put a super 35 kit in with an ox locker.

mudslinger150 12-02-2009 07:53 AM

you can buy a good used 44 for the price of a super 35 kit, i think a 44 would be money well spent

adkjoe 12-02-2009 07:55 AM

Theirs none in the yards around here though I've checked. I would much rather go with a 44 if I could find one.

mudslinger150 12-02-2009 07:57 AM

www.wranglerbarn.com , oops they dont have any 44's at the moment but they do have them often, good prices too

you can click on one of there items and look up thier phone number, they are super cool, give them a buzz just to see what a 44 might cost you.

under search, type in "dana"

Rawkon 12-02-2009 10:16 AM

Ive been wheeling hard with 33s and a stock dana turdy5 for years. 33 inch tires and a dana 35 are the limit. doing a super 35 kit is convenient since you dont have to swap axles but it is pricey. a super 35 kit will handle 35 inch tires no problem so in your case 33s will be even better.

adkjoe 12-02-2009 10:58 AM

What about 33's and a locker in the D35? I'm just curious, I would prob go for the 44 in the end but how close in strength is the 35 upgrade to the stock 44?

cavediverjc 12-02-2009 12:43 PM

Send Jerry Bransford a PM. He's the guy to talk to about Super 35 kits.

:wavey:

Adamlee78 12-02-2009 12:46 PM

8.8 with disc is just as strong

terrible2 12-02-2009 12:48 PM

I have a S35 kit. i have yet to go wheeling with it though. Personally id never convert to S35, I only did it because I bought it for $400 plus axle swap. Go D44 or 8.8 . Go Ford 9 though if you ever plan on going 35's or so.

Also i have S35 4.56 and detroit lockers. I wish I had selectable lockers though.

S35 I believe is stronger than a stock D44.

adkjoe 12-02-2009 01:17 PM

If it's stronger than a 44 than why did you say you would never convert to s35? Can you elaborate?

Jerry Bransford 12-02-2009 01:18 PM

A Super 35 kit from Superior Axle (avoid the cheap imitation "Super 35" kits) comes with your choice of locker and 30 spline alloy axle shafts. It is more than up to handing 35" tires and very tough trails. Lockers you choose from include the Detroit Locker, ARB Air Locker, Eaton E-Locker, and perhaps still the Ox Locker.

Superior Axle's Super 35 kit is far better than some are willing to accept and it holds up fine to wheeling most anything any of us here would wheel... including most of Johnson Valley's very tough rock crawling trails.

And while the Super 35's 30 spline axle shafts are stronger than the OE 30 spline non-alloy Dana 44 axle shafts, that still leaves the Dana 44's stronger R&P. Plus you can always upgrade the Dana 44 to alloy 30 spline, or a Super 44 kit with either 33 spline or 35 spline shafts from Superior Axle. Pick your poison. :)

terrible2 12-02-2009 01:28 PM

I wouldnt convert because for the amount you spend converting, I would much rather pay a little more and get a better axle rather than having the S35. Man now I have to find out if I have the superior axle or not, though I do know I have 30 spline, and I think stock D35 are 27 spline.

adkjoe 12-02-2009 01:29 PM

Great info Jerry, thanks. So really the 44 swap isn't worth it if I don't plan on running anything larger than 35" tires then.

What about the D30 in the front would that need to upgraded to if I wanted to lock it and run 35" tires?

Jerry Bransford 12-02-2009 05:24 PM

The D30 is up to being locked with 35" tires, though if you really get into some gnarly stuff, upgrading the front axle shafts to 27 spline alloys from Superior Axle would make it nearly bulletproof. I ran for quite a while with the OE D30 shafts with 35" tires and a front (and rear) locker and it took the infamous Sledgehammer trail in Johnson Valley to finally bust a front axle shaft. Since upgrading to alloy axle shafts, no more problems and I hammer it pretty hard on the rocks.

But for most trails, you will probably be fine on the OE axle shafts up front.

And yes, if you don't plan on bigger than 35" tires, Superior Axle's Super 35 kit will hold up just fine. :)

PT4WDL 12-02-2009 05:34 PM

I would not spend any $$$ on the D35. Especially if I was going to lock it. Go with a D44 or 8.8, lock it and be content knowing you are all right in the axle department. To get rid of that C-Clip would be a good thing to begin with. The D30 is actually stronger than the D35, I would hang onto it. Lock it and get some spare shafts from the JY, they are cheap enough and plentiful. Brackets for a new axle could be price as well, so expect that.

adkjoe 12-02-2009 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PT4WDL (Post 498228)
I would not spend any $$$ on the D35. Especially if I was going to lock it. Go with a D44 or 8.8, lock it and be content knowing you are all right in the axle department. To get rid of that C-Clip would be a good thing to begin with. The D30 is actually stronger than the D35, I would hang onto it. Lock it and get some spare shafts from the JY, they are cheap enough and plentiful. Brackets for a new axle could be price as well, so expect that.

If it was upgraded to the super kit and locked with 33's I think it would be pretty hard to break. especially if Jerry says it can handle being locked with 35's without a problem.

crazyredneck 12-02-2009 07:53 PM

whats the difference between the dana 30 and 35 to make the 30 stronger?

Jerry Bransford 12-02-2009 09:19 PM

The Dana 30 is no stronger than the Dana 35 is. It may seem that way because the D35 breaks so much more often but that's because the front Dana 30 only gets, at the most, 50% of the stress the rear Dana 35c can get on a regular basis. :)

hitman76 12-03-2009 03:00 PM

thanks for all the info!! when i get back home i will make up my birthday list! thanks guys

terrible2 12-03-2009 03:15 PM

man i never got to make a birthday list

BomberJeep 12-03-2009 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adkjoe (Post 498032)
What about 33's and a locker in the D35? I'm just curious, I would prob go for the 44 in the end but how close in strength is the 35 upgrade to the stock 44?

If you put a locker in the 35 kiss it good bye. In stock form the axle isnt really up to 35s. I have 33's on my D35 and it has been good to me. A S35 kit is more than capable to handle 35s locked. The kit comes with the 30 spline axles and you have your choice of locker. There are guys on JF that wheel the pee out of them with 35s and have had no issues. I personally will be going with an S35 when I return from deployment.

terrible2 12-03-2009 05:15 PM

Bomber, what kind of locker you planning on putting in?

After I get deployed i may possibly jump to D60s or Ford 9 and get ARB Selectable.

uplifted 12-03-2009 05:25 PM

Just for a goof and maybe will help some out, here is what happened to a bone stock D35 that was beaten on... This came into my shop a few weeks ago... The customer wasn't willing to say how this happened so your guess is as good as mine...and to boot. he was only rolling on 31's

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/s...g?t=1259882596

PT4WDL 12-03-2009 06:30 PM

Thank you Uplifted.... This just shows that you can upgrade the inner axles all day long to alloys. But the weak link just moves around to the next spot. Now the R/P is the weakest link. I hate to say it (because I run a d35 w/ 35's). But the axle is not designed to run 33's or larger. You can replace the inners, lock it, blow it all up. Then spend a sh!t load of $$$ to redo all of it, All while thinking about that axle upgrade that you could have done.

I have wheeled the shizz out of my d35, but scared every time I go out for the obvious reasons. I will one day get my hands on the 8.8 or F9", and be happy to send anyone of you guys my d35. You pay shipping and it't yours. To each there own and luck to all. Be safe and be merry.:wavey:

Jerry Bransford 12-03-2009 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PT4WDL (Post 498934)
Thank you Uplifted.... This just shows that you can upgrade the inner axles all day long to alloys. But the weak link just moves around to the next spot.

What you appear to be unaware of, since it appears you are referring to the Super 35 recommendations, is that Superior Axle's Super 35 kit not only installs 30 spline alloy axle shafts, it also replaces that carrier that broke in the above photo with a full case locker like a Detroit Locker or ARB Air Locker. What happened to the above axle would not happen with a Superior Axle Super 35 kit.

uplifted 12-03-2009 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PT4WDL (Post 498934)
Thank you Uplifted.... This just shows that you can upgrade the inner axles all day long to alloys. But the weak link just moves around to the next spot. Now the R/P is the weakest link. I hate to say it (because I run a d35 w/ 35's). But the axle is not designed to run 33's or larger. You can replace the inners, lock it, blow it all up. Then spend a sh!t load of $$$ to redo all of it, All while thinking about that axle upgrade that you could have done.

I have wheeled the shizz out of my d35, but scared every time I go out for the obvious reasons. I will one day get my hands on the 8.8 or F9", and be happy to send anyone of you guys my d35. You pay shipping and it't yours. To each there own and luck to all. Be safe and be merry.:wavey:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 498944)
What you appear to be unaware of, since it appears you are referring to the Super 35 recommendations, is that Superior Axle's Super 35 kit not only installs 30 spline alloy axle shafts, it also replaces that carrier that broke in the above photo with a full case locker like a Detroit Locker or ARB Air Locker. What happened to the above axle would not happen with a Superior Axle Super 35 kit.

Your both correct... Failure will always seek out the weakest link and so on.... The super 35 kit does eliminate the weak links but at a cost..I honestly think the 8.8 upgrade is more cost effective and gaining the disc brakes is a plus..

Thankfully being in the business i scored a 8.8 with fatory LSD and disc for pennies.. :punk:

Jerry Bransford 12-03-2009 07:03 PM

Yep but you still have a c-clip axle. And in a TJ, as opposed to your leaf spring YJ, installing an 8.8 is no trivial task. All the old brackets have to be ground off at the welds and all new brackets have to be welded in place... not exactly an easy or inexpensive task. :)

PT4WDL 12-03-2009 07:05 PM

Jerry you are obviously a smart individual/good guy and that is recognizable. I just can't see spending all of that money on the Sd35. When you can spend nearly the same amount and get a better/stronger axle as a starting point. Add a little more cash and you will end up with a axle that would be damn near indestructible.
Axles are such a hot and debatable subject (like CAI's or FIPK's). It always gets forums into a frenzy. Like I said to each their own. That's what make places like this good, different options get looked at/talked about/dissected.
Jerry, what rear end/tires do you run?

uplifted 12-03-2009 07:11 PM

Want to throw a small apology in here for my previous post..... It hit me that this thread was in the TJ section so me saying that the more cost effective way was the 8.8 maybe off keel.... You TJ guys do have quite a bit of transfering to do as opposed to us YJ guys with a simple spring perch and shock mount.......... with that said just do your homework/research.. If you have the means to do the work yourself than the 8.8 is the way.. If your footing the entire bill, the super 35 kit is probably your better bet..... don't want to accidentlly steer someone in the wrong direction.....


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