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wasurfer86 12-14-2009 02:58 AM

winches
 
anybody have or heard anything about it? i know you get what you pay for so this is why im asking

Off Road Store: Heavy Duty 8,500 LB Off Road Winch - Rugged Ridge, Rugged Ridge Electric Winches, 15100.01

adkjoe 12-14-2009 08:18 AM

I wouldn't buy anything from rugged ridge but that's just me. Like you said you get what you pay for so....you will probably get crap.

97rangler 12-16-2009 10:21 PM

one word............ WARN

olebluetj 12-16-2009 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 97rangler (Post 506998)
one word............ WARN

x2 :D

AzTJ 12-16-2009 11:28 PM

Ramsey. :D

wasurfer86 12-17-2009 12:06 AM

yeah im still shopping around and doing some research

Jeepzcb09 12-17-2009 12:46 AM

what do you guys think of Super winch?

s3nt3nc3d 12-17-2009 12:53 AM

I looked at Warn winches...til I realized they cost about 1/4 of the cost of my Jeep. I've been looking more at Mile Marker and Super Winches now.

ygohome 12-17-2009 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AzTJ (Post 507028)
Ramsey. :D

Don't make me tell my sob stories again about them :D Ramsey does have awesome customer service though. So when they do break ;) you can get a free replacement usually... only need to pay for the shipping :D

The last Ramsey I had was the top of the line 9500UT. It was GIVEN to me by Ramsey! Like I said, if you have ANY trouble with your ramsey winches, call their sales reps. They are very generous and do not want to lose customers to the other brands. But, short story is that I wasn't pleased with the quality compared to the big W. So I bought a Warn and a friend who really needed a winch has had the Ramsey 9500UT on his rig for the last 8 months or so. He told me yesterday that it broke while wheeling a couple weekends ago. The planetary gears were completely destroyed while trying to pull his jeep up a fall/ledge.

Anyway, I've got a Warn 9500XP now

s3nt3nc3d 12-17-2009 01:22 AM

Okay guys...to make this discussion a little more fair...I think when someone recommends a brand, they need to post the current price this winch sells for as well.

For instance, I'm sure Warn is a great winch...but considering you're paying nearly $2k for one (from what I can tell anyway), they really had BETTER be great. I for one will be in the market for a winch in the near future...I'd LOVE to get a Warn winch, but I'm gonna have to win the lottery before I can afford one. So it'd be nice to see some other recommendations and the costs associated with them. Just sayin...no offense to you Warn guys.

ygohome 12-17-2009 01:28 AM

I think I paid close to $1000 for my Warn 9500xp.

$300 winch = broken on trail or worse. plus cost of replacing winch and whatever else was busted because of incident

or

$1000 winch = never worry about it failing and just enjoy the fun

Schmo 12-17-2009 01:30 AM

I heard that both Mile Marker and Super Winch were running good sales. the MM 8K is down to 300.

distortedtj 12-17-2009 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by s3nt3nc3d (Post 507100)
but considering you're paying nearly $2k for one (from what I can tell anyway),

2K :confused: Your looking in the bad place then.

Here is a Warn 8000lb for $539....fine for a wrangler.

M8000 Self-Recovery Winch

ygohome 12-17-2009 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by distortedtj (Post 507106)
2K :confused: Your looking in the bad place then.

Here is a Warn 8000lb for $539....fine for a wrangler.

M8000 Self-Recovery Winch

That m8000 is a sweet winch by the way. We've got one thats been passed around from jeep to jeep in our local gang for the last few years. It gets used on the trails nearly every weekend. If someone were looking for a $600 winch I'd recommend the m8000. It has never failed with our group.

http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/41...600x600Q85.jpg

AzTJ 12-17-2009 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ygohome (Post 507098)
Don't make me tell my sob stories again about them :D

I said that hoping you would post up. :wavey: :D

wasurfer86 12-17-2009 02:44 AM

what about this one?

Superwinch 9034 - Superwinch EPi 9.0 Winch - Quadratec

s3nt3nc3d 12-17-2009 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by distortedtj (Post 507106)
2K :confused: Your looking in the bad place then.

Here is a Warn 8000lb for $539....fine for a wrangler.

M8000 Self-Recovery Winch

Yeah, I must be looking in the wrong places...thanks for posting that link. Will definitely keep that in mind. That was kind of my goal with asking for current prices...figured links would get posted as well.

30-284 12-17-2009 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wasurfer86 (Post 507131)

Hell, they can't even spell correctly.

"Finally, whiches that strike the perfect balance between performance and value! Introducing the new Superwinch EP Series 9000 pound capacity winch."

Donn

Timberman 12-17-2009 09:14 AM

I have a Warn M8274 from 1982 on my 2000 TJ and she still works like a champ..

When considering the purchase of a winch, you must ask your self one question:

"Do you want to be stuck on the trail in the middle of nowhere wondering if the $300-$500 you spent on a Chinese winch was worth it?" Hell no..... In my opinion of course!

My winch currently sells for around $1800 (probably less with all the incentives out there), but just think about how many times you would have had to replace a Chinese made winch in nearly 30 years.. I think you would probably spend way more than $1800 because there isn't anything out there which is going to last nearly that long..

Warn are the best winches on the planet because they pride themselves on producing the BEST product.. END OF STORY!

I have heard good things about Ramsey and Superwinch, but I'll give you one guess which winch will be purchased for my 2009 JK... Amazon.com: Warn Industries 67550 9.5ti 9500-lb Thermometric Winch: Automotive


Nuff Said!

Timberman 12-17-2009 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by adkjoe (Post 504855)
I wouldn't buy anything from rugged ridge but that's just me. Like you said you get what you pay for so....you will probably get crap.

by the way adkjoe; that is a fine looking Dog you got there friend!!!

ygohome 12-17-2009 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AzTJ (Post 507122)
I said that hoping you would post up. :wavey: :D

doh, ya got me :)

Here's the whole story then...

Back in 2004 I bought a Ramsey 8.5e. It was my first winch. The price was about $300 or $400 at the time. It is a permenant magnet winch and I didn't know the difference between permenant magnets vs series wound. I just saw that it was lightweight (wouldn't weigh down the front end of the jeep) and inexpensive. And I'd heard of Ramsey before so figured it would be a good quality.

Ramsey Winch Company 111073 - Ramsey Rep 8.5e Electric Winch - Quadratec

I got it with a universal winch plate. The plate was only a hair over 3/16" but was advertised as 1/4". The winch worked great at first... got me off of a rock a couple times... it even pulled my jeep up the big fall at the end of Payete Draw (that was the last time it worked).

Then one weekday afternoon I was feeling adventurous and I made a major error in judgement... I went to Table Mesa trails north of Phoenix and wheeled ALONE. I got stuck in some loose sand in a wash. I pulled out the winch cable and attached and secured it. Began the pull and it just DIED. Stuck there for an hour or so until a dodge pickup with a Warn 12k lb winch pulled my jeep free.

I threw the 8.5e in the trash and replaced it with a new Warn m8000. The cheap universal winch plate was warped by the way (don't buy cheap winch plates!). One day I posted a negative review of the Ramsey 8.5e on a dealers website. A ramsey representative found my neg review and contacted me by email. They wanted to make things right again even though I no longer had the ramsey or it's receipt, not to mention that it was 2 years prior that I threw it away. The regional Ramsey sales rep guy shipped me a brand new top of the line 9500UT . Honestly, that was the best customer service experience ever. A brand new top of the line Ramsey winch!

Ramsey Winch Company 109198 - Ramsey Patriot 9500 UT Winch with Wireless Remote - Quadratec

I unboxed the new Ramsey 9500ut and installed it... I gave my trusty warn m8000 to a friend. First time on the trail and the Ramsey 9500 UT clutch lever got stuck.. the automatic release feature never worked... and I was already missing my Warn m8000. A while later, when I began with my year long jeep project, I thought it would be a good time to upgrade to a Warn winch again. I bought a new Warn 9500xp and sold the Ramsey 9500UT cheap to another friend. That was about 8 months ago.

I asked my friend the other day about the 9500UT on another jeep forum and here was his reply:

"ya ben i broke that ramsey on a stupid hard trail a few weeks ago. i pulled it apart to see what was broke, lets just say its cheaper for me to buy a warn than fix the ramsey. i don't know why it broke because it was just a normal pull with no shock loading, but it completely grenaded all of the planetary gears. honestly i don't know why but warns seem to be the only winch that you can count on. "

and the old warn m8000 that I gave away is still running strong.

- the end :D

wasurfer86 12-17-2009 01:12 PM

everything that ive heard about warn sounds really good. thats probably what ill go with.

02TXTJ 12-18-2009 12:36 AM

I've got a Mile Marker 8000 Lb... I have had to use it several times, but it's never let me down. I think It ran me around $350. It's on its 5th year. I think the Military uses them. But, as long as it gets you outta the pickle it's good in my book.

02TXTJ 12-18-2009 12:37 AM

Oh, my brother has a Warn and he's had no problems either...

kdukes4 12-18-2009 01:10 AM

i feel like its tough to find the perfect winch now a days. everyone has their own expectations and budget, and i think finding the product that will meet those exceptional levels is pretty tough. since May i've been trying to figure out what to go with. i've read almost every thread here, and have spoken to everyone off-road about their set ups and reviews. IF i had the dough, then the warn would be my weapon of choice, M8000, however as a soon to be college graduate, i just can't afford that kind of expense. after reading some reviews from jpmag and other sites, i decided to go with the xrc8. for $350, i bought the winch and a lifetime warranty that fully covers any defects on or off road. i know in jp, they really tested this winch hardcore and they were impressed with its performance. for me, i think it should work out fine. i don't plan to pull 10 people out in a day. i also have friends in the local club who have smittys and love them! they also love the customer service, one guy had his solenoid go, smitty replaced it with no questions or warranty.

JeepnJim 12-18-2009 08:19 AM

Hell, I've used a come-along many times but I'm just an ol' Southeast Missourian. Maybe I'll get winch around income tax refund time. That $299 xrc8 is looking affordable and no more than I wheel it should be fine for the one or two times I actually need a little tug here and there. Maybe I'll put a Warn cover on it, hee heee heee.

2002Apex 12-18-2009 10:40 AM

It looks like that rugged ridge has some of the same characteristics as the smittybilt brand. Same solenoid box, actuator. Different engage knob though. May have subbed out the same manufacturer to create their stuff, if so, it may not be that bad.

IslandTJ 12-18-2009 11:30 AM

I have a Superwinch epi9 and it has never let me down. It is quite fast and has the solenoid integrated within its housing. Performs well in extremely wet conditions (it rains a lot in Oregon). The only downside for me is the winch's weight, it is heavy at 114lbs.

When I purchased my epi9, it also came with a snatch block and fairlead roller, which I thought were nice additions :). You may want to read the article below for some comparison amongst popular winches.

Jeep Articles / General (Winches In Hell) - MoabJeeper Magazine

Reise ” FearŠin 12-18-2009 11:33 AM

Wow...........there are places to cheap out and places NOT to. Go with the best and strongest u can FIT. Cost too much money, then save more money. I have had, and been with allot of the lesser winches after they fail in not so spectacular pulls. Hey, lets cheap out on the roll cage (not the factory speaker holder). Does that scare you, then a cheap winch should too. if it unloads and quits in an uphill pull, or in a down hill slow drop controlled by the winch, maybe the cheapo method was not best ? Or you just happen to stick it someplace pretty tame, at four o'clock in December, while it is snowing/raining/slushy crappy ass snow on a road out of the job-site. Worse yet, your family, or even the dog, is with you. Pull out the winch line and tree saver and get yourself out. Baaaad time to have a winch take a vacation. A winch is a tool, one you need to keep with you on the off chance you HAVE to use it. It is not about looks and being cool. Buy quality, go big, get dependability. Your Chinese winch leaves you stranded the best case scenario is that you just got a long walk home.

wasurfer86 12-18-2009 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandTJ (Post 507840)
I have a Superwinch epi9 and it has never let me down. It is quite fast and has the solenoid integrated within its housing. Performs well in extremely wet conditions (it rains a lot in Oregon). The only downside for me is the winch's weight, it is heavy at 114lbs.

When I purchased my epi9, it also came with a snatch block and fairlead roller, which I thought were nice additions :). You may want to read the article below for some comparison amongst popular winches.

Jeep Articles / General (Winches In Hell) - MoabJeeper Magazine

that was a really informative article and it has helped me make a choice on which one ill go with. epi9 sounds like the winch for me. i dont really plan on ever doing any extreme 4x4 but if that changes it looks like the epi9 can hold its own against a warn. plus that extra 500 id save can go to buying a better brush guard set up. thanks for the input everybody


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