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WranglerX2009 01-23-2010 10:56 PM

Annoying Rear Seat Issue
 
Hey fellow jeepers, got to ask a question.

In my 09 2dr, I vary, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day, between hauling items and people. When I fold the rear seat forward, I see no way to hold it so that it doesn't flop down and then swing back upright again. Yesterday it popped back up, slapping the back of my seat so hard I thought I got rear-ended.
I looked in the all knowing manual, for a way to lock the seat while it is folded, and found nothing. I can't locate anything obvious in the jeep itself, so I look to the knowledge offered here, am I missing something or anyone have a resolution for me?

Oh, and before these are mentioned,
Removing the seat is not an option, as I may drop off items and pick up people in the same trip.
And most of the items transported are not heavy enough to place against the seat and keep it from swinging down.

Scooter_Trash 01-23-2010 11:07 PM

The two doors must be really different from the 4 doors because I don't understand your question at all. The seat popped back up, slapping the back of your driver's seat???

Blackbeard1718 01-23-2010 11:09 PM

When the seat's folded up, have you tried a Bungee Cord strapped around somewhere on the back seat, and maybe hooked to the front headrest posts? Maybe an adjustable strap instead of a Bungee?

Best of Luck!

Cheers!

BB

Scooter_Trash 01-23-2010 11:12 PM

I'm going to have to go check out a 2 door now. In my old Jeep it had the fold and tumble style seat. You folded the back of the seat down, then the whole assembly tumbled toward the driver/passenger seat. Then you would have to strap it to the roll bar to keep it from falling down. Are the 2 door JK's still using that style seat?

Blackbeard1718 01-23-2010 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter_Trash (Post 529622)
The two doors must be really different from the 4 doors because I don't understand your question at all. The seat popped back up, slapping the back of your driver's seat???

Yeah... they are like that, unfortunately. When you release the latch on the back of the rear seat, it will fold up on the front pivot bar, and flip itself upside down against the front seats. Sometimes, if you take off too fast, or stop too fast, the rear seat bottom will flip backwards against the floor, and bounce back up and slam into the back of the front seats. Scares the crap out of you, if you're not expecting it.

Cheers!

BB

Blackbeard1718 01-23-2010 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter_Trash (Post 529625)
I'm going to have to go check out a 2 door now. In my old Jeep it had the fold and tumble style seat. You folded the back of the seat down, then the whole assembly tumbled toward the driver/passenger seat. Then you would have to strap it to the roll bar to keep it from falling down. Are the 2 door JK's still using that style seat?

EXACTLY! Fold and Tumble! That's what they are, only they don't hook to anything as of now.

Cheers!

BB

dogsnhorses 01-24-2010 06:10 AM

I have a two door, roll 90% of the time with the back seat folded. Rarely use it but don't want to have to deal with installing the darn thing when I do need it.

I only get the pop down and up thing when I launch on the gas pedal from a dead stop. The only thing that might help you is to get an old blanket and just kind of cram it under the base of the folded seat, makes it more difficult to flop down.

RubiJK12 01-24-2010 10:17 AM

I made a little prop with a small round rod (3/8 aluminum ?) that fits between the latch on the bottom of the seat when folded up and slides in the plate in the floor. I think it is about 14" long. Had to work with it several times for the right length but seems to do the trick. When the seat is down, just stick the prop in the jack storage area. How do you keep paint on aluminum?

messianic 01-24-2010 11:15 AM

that back seat can be frightening! like blackbeard up there posted, bungee works fine for me, looks sorta silly but at least you aren't getting pounded around out of nowhere.

WranglerX2009 01-24-2010 12:25 PM

Thanks folks. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something before I decided to use a created solution. I'd hate to have bungee's on it, only for someone to point at a dohickey and tell me that would lock it in place.......

mowbizz 01-24-2010 01:11 PM

Haha...I went and checked mine today...yup...just flops around back there. I will be taking the seat out soon (when i find a spot to store it out of harm's way)
I have to keep my driver's seat back so far that it hits the dang rear seat in it's folded up position. Kinda makes it even more susceptible to pushing it down and having it slam back up...:D Brilliant engineering eh? :banghead:

crash2000 01-25-2010 10:19 AM

guys i just read my manual, and it says the tumble seats "lock"into place, maybe your not flipping them forward enough to "lock"them...

crash2000 01-25-2010 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WranglerX2009 (Post 529616)
Hey fellow jeepers, got to ask a question.

In my 09 2dr, I vary, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day, between hauling items and people. When I fold the rear seat forward, I see no way to hold it so that it doesn't flop down and then swing back upright again. Yesterday it popped back up, slapping the back of my seat so hard I thought I got rear-ended.
I looked in the all knowing manual, for a way to lock the seat while it is folded, and found nothing. I can't locate anything obvious in the jeep itself, so I look to the knowledge offered here, am I missing something or anyone have a resolution for me?

Oh, and before these are mentioned,
Removing the seat is not an option, as I may drop off items and pick up people in the same trip.
And most of the items transported are not heavy enough to place against the seat and keep it from swinging down.

front seats all the way forward, then flip up the back seat, it should lock into place, then re-adjust your front seats ( so says the manual)

mowbizz 01-25-2010 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crash2000 (Post 530489)
front seats all the way forward, then flip up the back seat, it should lock into place, then re-adjust your front seats ( so says the manual)

That's what I did...front seats all the way forward then flip up the back seat...another thing to check...I'll push it a little harder to see if she locks in...but if it does lock in I can't use it because the position of it restricts my seat back from reclining to my comfort position...I will remove it I'm sure...

wknehans 01-30-2010 12:33 PM

Maybe all you folks that can fold your rear seat forward can help out this noob who is being outsmarted by an '08 JK-X 2-door.

I can fold the backrest part of the rear seat down without any difficulty, but when it gets to the "tumble" part, the base of the seat absolutely refuses to move. I'm 6'1" and go around 240, so I can give it a nudge, but I have yet to succeed. Is there another latch to release? Do I have to continue holding the "fold" latch release open while "tumbling?" The base of the seat is so close to the floor that I can't get a good look underneath to see what's hanging it up.

All bright ideas gratefully accepted,
BD

mowbizz 01-30-2010 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wknehans (Post 534344)
Maybe all you folks that can fold your rear seat forward can help out this noob who is being outsmarted by an '08 JK-X 2-door.

I can fold the backrest part of the rear seat down without any difficulty, but when it gets to the "tumble" part, the base of the seat absolutely refuses to move. I'm 6'1" and go around 240, so I can give it a nudge, but I have yet to succeed. Is there another latch to release? Do I have to continue holding the "fold" latch release open while "tumbling?" The base of the seat is so close to the floor that I can't get a good look underneath to see what's hanging it up.

All bright ideas gratefully accepted,
BD

On my 07 the backrest part of the rear seat folds down (latch on the top of rear seat) then the whole thing lifts up (no latch) and comes to the full up position where it just sits there without locking at all...you need to move the front seats up so the rear headrests clear the front seats though...that's it!
I fact I pull the rear seat to it's final position from the driver's side after moving my driver's seat ahead (there's a grab loop)

Badfish 01-30-2010 11:20 PM

^ yea there is only the one latch at the top of the backrest. of your back seat doesnt "tumble" forward after you have folded down the backrest then there is something wrong with the rear seat. you are right that there is no room to see under the seat so thats why if i where you i would take it in to the dealership and see if they can figure it out. good luck

Blackbeard1718 01-31-2010 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wknehans (Post 534344)
Maybe all you folks that can fold your rear seat forward can help out this noob who is being outsmarted by an '08 JK-X 2-door.

I can fold the backrest part of the rear seat down without any difficulty, but when it gets to the "tumble" part, the base of the seat absolutely refuses to move. I'm 6'1" and go around 240, so I can give it a nudge, but I have yet to succeed. Is there another latch to release? Do I have to continue holding the "fold" latch release open while "tumbling?" The base of the seat is so close to the floor that I can't get a good look underneath to see what's hanging it up.

All bright ideas gratefully accepted,
BD

^^^ What they said!

I just pulled mine out today, so I could have more cargo space. It's now standing in the corner of my garage.

I've never had any problems flipping my rear seat. I just release the center latch in the back-middle of the rear seat, and push it forward. It tumbles right where it should. Now, what it's "SUPPOSED" to do, as the back part of the seat lays forward, is it releases the Rear Floor Seat Latches from the Rear Floor Rings, allowing the back bottom cushion of the seat to flip foward, with the forward part of the Floor Seat Latches still hooked to the Front Floor Rings, acting as a pivot point. To remove the seat entirely (like I did today...), you just press down on the small cross bar Forward Seat Latch Release, and it unhooks the Front Floor Seat Latches from the Front Floor Rings.

I'm wondering if your 4 Floor Latches are hooked incorrectly to the 4 Floor Rings.

Please let us know what you find out, when you get it working again.

Best of Luck!

Cheers!

BB

wknehans 01-31-2010 03:48 PM

Ding Ding Ding...We Have a Winner!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackbeard1718 (Post 534824)
I'm wondering if your 4 Floor Latches are hooked incorrectly to the 4 Floor Rings.

After taking a closer look at the bottom of the seat and thinking a bit about how it should work, I now believe that the back or "primary" seat hold down hooks are in the wrong spot. They are hooked under the front floor rings, when it looks like they should be hooked under the rear rings.

Off to the dealership...they sold it to me like this, if they bend the seat frame unjamming it from its incorrect position, they can buy me a new seat.

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. It's good to be back in the Jeep fold!

Cheers,
BD

Senecan 03-04-2010 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WranglerX2009 (Post 529616)
Hey fellow jeepers, got to ask a question.

In my 09 2dr, I vary, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day, between hauling items and people. When I fold the rear seat forward, I see no way to hold it so that it doesn't flop down and then swing back upright again. Yesterday it popped back up, slapping the back of my seat so hard I thought I got rear-ended.
I looked in the all knowing manual, for a way to lock the seat while it is folded, and found nothing. I can't locate anything obvious in the jeep itself, so I look to the knowledge offered here, am I missing something or anyone have a resolution for me?

Oh, and before these are mentioned,
Removing the seat is not an option, as I may drop off items and pick up people in the same trip.
And most of the items transported are not heavy enough to place against the seat and keep it from swinging down.

Im having a similiar problem, but it never slams in the back of my seat. After lifting the release latch the rear seat folds down, then you have to lift it up and then it rests right behind the two front seats. But when I hit the throttle they move, I was wondering if there was a strap or something. I read somewhere that the older wranglers had a strap that attached to the roll cage frame (not sure what to call it). But the only strap i found was at the bottom of the seat. Technically it would be at the top...But when the seat is down and forward then its at the bottom.

vze2372e 03-05-2010 11:54 AM

there is no need for a strap - I take mine in and out all the time. On the floor, the front brackets have two rings, the rear has one. Put the front hook on the seat under the front loop on the bracket for both sides with the seat folded. lower the seat down and the second hook on the front bracket (seat) will engage the second ring on the floor. Push the rear of the seat down over the rear rings, lift the seatback to a full upright position and VIOLA, no flopping - mine used too until I realized the rear hook on the front seat bracket was over the front loop, causing the seat to be too far forward and not allowing the seat mechanism to grab the rear seat rings.

NeitherFanboy 03-05-2010 01:56 PM

Gonna have to read all these "insert tab A into slot B making sure ring C is aligned with hood D" -type instructions when I am actually IN the Jeep, cuz I am not getting em. All I know is I have the same problem in my 99. Folded the rear set up at the grocery store and loaded up the back -- seat did not seem to lock in place. Took off, rear seat flew back and smashed my groceries, then bounced up and hit me in the back! Gotta be a better way!

vze2372e 03-05-2010 03:19 PM

do it once and you'll think "OH!" its hard to explain, easy to do. The seat doesn't flop around by design like that, it has to mount securely for passengers. Granted, its a little convoluted

vze2372e 03-05-2010 03:48 PM

wait bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Ive been readgn this all wrong ... DUH

ScoutSniperYJ 02-11-2011 12:23 PM

I think i fixed it!!!
 
I used a telescoping heavy duty curtain bar that can be bought in any department store. Just measure from wall to wall or wheel well to wheel well, purchase a bar of the respective length, flip up the seat, position the bar, rotate the telescoping end until secure, and enjoy your cargo space! If you buy the correct size bar, slapping it in there only take about ten seconds. Most of these bars come with heavy duty rubber ends that are designed for traction when mounting a curtain between walls, so your seat will stay up-right and tucked out of the way even when off-road. I find this to be much more convenient than rigging straps through the cab of the jeep. Hope this helps!

Mr. Sinister 02-11-2011 12:40 PM

one of my very few issues with my jeep are the seats. i find the fronts firm, yet relatively comfortable. my issue is with the lack of a quick fold feature on the driver's seat, so rear seat passengers have to enter from the passenger side and slide over, and the quick fold lever on the passenger seat returns the seat to the ridiculous angle it does and not to where you had it.
then there's the issue of not being able to secure the rear seat when it's folded down or tumbled forward, not without buying something.
not really big issues on a vehicle designed with utility in mind, they just seem like really thoughtless omissions.

Dogzilla 02-11-2011 01:10 PM

Agreed ^^^

RB-10rubicon 02-11-2011 02:09 PM

When i tumble the seat foward i take the black loop and put it in the center glove box and close lid it kinda pinches loop and doesnt move unless you pull hard enough ..thinking about mabey velcro on loop or mabey a snap on the back of glove box to hold ...any thoughts

JeeperJake 02-11-2011 02:34 PM

geez......reading this is confusing.....I ran around with mine in both positions for a month with no flopping around....feeling like I missed out on the excitement all that time.

My 08 had some kind of latch that kept any tumbling from happening....before I took it out and put it in storage outside the Jeep.

ScoutSniperYJ 02-11-2011 06:14 PM

Here's a photo of the concept I was attempting to describe earlier...

http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/a...0211111701.jpg
Something else cool: the bar simply stores beneath the seat when you lower the seat and latch it to the bed. This beats any rigged straps or bungies that you may have to deal with.


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