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ubengineer 03-16-2010 12:45 PM

pivoting seat passenger car seat
 
i have a 97 sport and the passenger seat slides up, folds and pivots, my question is when you pull the tab to fold the seat should it pivot also or is the pivoting a separate mechanism that you have to do manually, i know later years when you pull the tab to fold it pivots also when you pull it and you dont have to reach underneath and pull the tab just to pivot.

Beachcomber 03-16-2010 04:16 PM

I have an 01 and it folds and pivots together but I do have to give it a little help to start the pivot.

ubengineer 03-16-2010 06:46 PM

i know the 01 does but im not sure about my 97 i tested 00 and up. i went to the dealer and they said they dont know but the seats are one of the things that change every year, or example i think 04 doesnt have a strap on the side to fold it has i lever. so i know 97-06 are not the same,i spent alot of time trying to figure it out and it might just be 2 seperate things so.

ubengineer 03-16-2010 06:48 PM

does any one else have a different year if not a 97 maybe i can start eliminating years so right now 01-up fold and pivot together.

InfernoGirl 03-16-2010 07:17 PM

Well, I have an '01, so no additional info there. But, it is called fold and tumble, since it tumbles forward. The cable that releases them will wear out eventually and break, and after looking at what is required to replace it, I'm not going there.... :) I just slide mine forward all the way and reach the release in the back to tilt the seat back forward and tumble it... No more wear on the release cable.... :) But mine still works, and as mentioned above, it is not one smooth motion, it needs assistance.

popa 03-17-2010 07:10 AM

Does anyone know if it is simple to replace the cable? I don't have the tab anymore and I was thinking of replacing it, but not sure about the complexity and the price for a spare cable.

KawiTJ 03-17-2010 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ubengineer (Post 573557)
does any one else have a different year if not a 97 maybe i can start eliminating years so right now 01-up fold and pivot together.

my 99 folds and tumbles, folds, slides forward then lifts up by using the cable. If i use the lever on the bottom it just tumbles, not slide or lift

daanbc 03-17-2010 08:02 AM

My 00 slides up, folds and tumbles with the lever on the back. Both seats.

ubengineer 03-17-2010 10:38 AM

i know that it does all 3 folds, slides and tumbles. My question is tho in order for my 97 to tumble do i have to reach under the seat and pull the lever to tumble it or is it suppose to tumble after i fold the seat by just bulling the tab on the side to fold. I dont know if what im saying is clear so to tumble do i have to reach under the seat or should pulling the fold tab allow it to tumble after it folds.

InfernoGirl 03-17-2010 10:41 AM

Pulling the tab releases it, you have to help it along.

TheTJRod 03-17-2010 11:00 AM

The tab on the '03 moves the pass seat all the way up, the drivers side doesn't "tumble" only slides up and moves back to forward most position.
If you have trouble with getting it to move smoothly get some wd40 for the hinges and some grease for the slides. That got my pass seat moving smoothly again, use to be so bad that I could barely get it back down again. Now even my wife can move it with ease.

Bobthegod 03-17-2010 12:25 PM

Im my 99 you pull the tab to fold the seat forward, as it folds it slides all the way forward, then too tilt it you must pull the seatback forward, its a two step process, first fold then tilt.

And to fix the cable you must take the seat skin off, if you do, replace it with a heavier cable for sure.

dcmtex 03-17-2010 02:01 PM

I guess my cable is toast on my 01. It will fold and slide but not tilt forward.

ubengineer 03-17-2010 02:20 PM

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PS (i know on the newer models 01 you have to help it but thats not what im saying) right now mine is three steps. 1 folds the seat ,2 pivots and 3 slides, but im wondering shouldn't it be just two steps using 1 and 3, by pulling 1, shouldn't it fold then pivot when pulling 1. and then all i have to do is pull 3 to slide it.Attachment 16996Attachment 16997

daanbc 03-17-2010 03:29 PM

On my 00 the lever is on the back bottom of the seat. When pulled, the seat automatically slides forward and the back of the seat folds forward. After that if you still hold the lever you can push on it (seat) and it will pivot towards the front. But you have to help it after the back folds forward. By the way Nice seats! But clean up the gatoriade bottles. LOL.

InfernoGirl 03-17-2010 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dcmtex (Post 574207)
I guess my cable is toast on my 01. It will fold and slide but not tilt forward.

It should still tumble forward if you just lift the lever on the back of the seat. You do have to help it, but it isn't hard.



I think.... since my cable is still intact (somewhat) that may make a difference. But like I said, I never use the pull on the front of the passenger seat to tumble it, so I don't know why it being intact would make a difference.

ubengineer 03-18-2010 02:11 AM

ok ya so after i hold the lever after folding it it doesnt tumble i have to reach underneath and pull a metal level to fold it, does any one know how all these things connect so i can fix it

Godluvsugly 03-28-2010 12:00 AM

just to throw in my .02, in my 01 wrangler the driver seat will fold then tumble just by pulling the cord or using the leaver on the back, the passenger seat will only fold then slide if i use either the cord or the leaver, however it will tumble if i use another leaver on the underside of the seat. upon inspection of the underside of both seats i have noticed that cable that connects to the tumble release is connected to two different parts on each seat, on the drivers side it connects to the tumble release, but on the passenger seat it seems to connect to the slide release (i'll add pictures tomorrow when its not dark) for those in the know is this normal?

InfernoGirl 03-28-2010 10:00 AM

Hi Godluvs... Not normal, my 01 folds and tumbles by pulling the cord on the front shoulder bolster. Sounds like someone replaced yours and connected it to the wrong release.

francho 04-29-2010 03:40 PM

EZ Entry Seat
 
There are probably alot of people that bought used Wranglers that had a passenger seat with a broken cable in it when they bought it and are not aware of how the seat is actually supposed to function. Tumbling the seat forward with the lever under the seat works but it's supposed to work like this....YouTube - 1997 wrangler ez entry seat.avi It's pretty slick. Mine broke and following the advice on this forum I was directed to Jeep Wrangler Seat Track Release Cable Repair where I was shown how to remove the seat bottom cover and locate where the cable hooked to a lever attached to the seat back. That is where the S shaped terminal end had broken and I was left with just a 1/4" cylindrical terminal end. I stuffed what remained into the hole the S terminal end had been in and low and behold it held and works just fine again. Thanks for all the help!

desertdood 04-29-2010 10:30 PM

:doh:02 Sport: pulltab forward - fold and tumble or
lift lower back lever - fold and tumble

Seat slides forward during both procedures.

98wranglertj 06-29-2010 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francho (Post 612127)
There are probably alot of people that bought used Wranglers that had a passenger seat with a broken cable in it when they bought it and are not aware of how the seat is actually supposed to function. Tumbling the seat forward with the lever under the seat works but it's supposed to work like this....YouTube - 1997 wrangler ez entry seat.avi It's pretty slick. Mine broke and following the advice on this forum I was directed to Jeep Wrangler Seat Track Release Cable Repair where I was shown how to remove the seat bottom cover and locate where the cable hooked to a lever attached to the seat back. That is where the S shaped terminal end had broken and I was left with just a 1/4" cylindrical terminal end. I stuffed what remained into the hole the S terminal end had been in and low and behold it held and works just fine again. Thanks for all the help!

Great info!!! Thanks

AKantipodean 06-30-2010 03:24 PM

The wire on mine broke just a few weeks ago maybe a month after I bought it, following the info from the link I replaced it. However I would add that when I ordered the part the dealer quoted $53 instead of the $25 the link claimed. If it breaks again I think I might just take some fresh bike cable housing and a cable and make my own connector for a lot less. Also some lube in the housing should make the pull easier.

erickpl 07-01-2010 09:02 AM

You'll want to use a cable that won't stretch. Otherwise it is as good as broken still. :)

ubengineer 09-08-2010 11:10 AM

does anyone have a video or pictures of how to do this. the youtube video has been removed

erickpl 09-08-2010 03:51 PM

Jeep Wrangler Seat Track Release Cable Repair


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