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activelydying 12-28-2006 12:29 PM

was 99 a bad year?
i've seem to notice a little pattern going on here. it seems like people (including myself) are having more problems with the 99 TJ then other years. from leaking water, to gauges dying. am i just paranoid or is a 99 wrangler not the best year to buy.

Siggie 12-28-2006 01:27 PM

Brother -- they're all bad years. Every one of them.

What do I mean by that?

Well, first of all, I love my Jeep. As much as my Hot Wheels collection when I was 9 years old. I love (collectively) the people that made it. Hard working Americans who feed their families punching a clock with the world looking over their shoulders trying to discern any shred of evidence that American cars are poorly made.

The fact is that ALL cars are poorly made. They break easily and when their intrinsic design allows them to go 30,000 miles without a problem, the owner is either one lucky bastard or they've almost certainly paid $50,000 dolars or much more for their mount. You buy affordable cars and suffer the repair and maintenance expense, you get lucky, or you pay big bucks in the showroom. This collapses to two outcomes in my book, because I don't know any lucky people with cars that are problem free. (I know people who claim that, but on closer inspection, these are the kind of fools who's radiator is leaking at a brazed joint, and they're cluesless about it).

All cars are poorly made. All of them. Yours, mine. They all suck. Not only that, they're not made FOR us. I don't know anyone who really is into cars who has not dropped significant time and money modifying the car from what it was leaving the factory.

And thank goodness things are that way. It creates jobs and pays salaries. (I'm not sure whether that is sarcasm or not, that could go either way.)

Where reliability is concerned, the shift in the past 40 years has been this: Engine core components such as rings, valve components and bearings have dramatically improved in reliability. The paradigm used to be a car that went 100,000 miles was outstanding. Nowadays, you can expect a car to last at least 200,000 miles -- as far as core engine reliability is oncerned.

At the same time, cars have (like aircraft) become electronics platforms and the electrical items have become the problem. Also, rotating components (power takeoff components, as we say in the aircraft engine world) -- things like alternators and steering pumps have stayed about the same in terms of reliability as their 1960's counterparts. breaks.

Name a single highly engineered component that stayed at the same level of reliability from 1960 to 2006. Name one. TV's? Radars? Bikes?

If car reliability (all of it, not just engine core components -- and most of that is attributable to improved OILS) kept pace in terms of reliability, Sears would have trouble selling Craftsman wrenches. You'd be at a party and there'd be a group of people encircling a woman -- they'd be interested, entranced, amazed to hear her mention how the water pump on her new car broke. If her transmission the bed, a lawyer would ambulance-chase her! :D

They all suck. All of them. Every year. Compared to how things ought to be, they're all dogs. No. I love dogs. That's an insult to dogs. What may change some of this is the electric car. The problems with hot, high pressure fluids and combustion gases gies away with electric cars. Of course, our beloved worldwide car industry will still those things up. Instead of a blown head gasket, they'll design a half a harness that requires the dash to be removed to fix a turn signal fault. :rolleyes:

activelydying 12-28-2006 01:37 PM

siggie, you have the best responses. so no matter what we're all screwed, no matter the year.

MR.CLIFFORD 12-28-2006 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by activelydying (Post 41255)
so no matter what we're all screwed, no matter the year.

exactly :D

bluvikng 12-28-2006 07:53 PM

I vote Siggie, for House Representitive........:D

Siggie 12-28-2006 08:16 PM

Wanna hear some funny ****?

After making that post, my wife called. Her 96 Jeep Grand Cherokee died in a parking lot. I just got home -- 5 hours, a battery replacement (whihc failed) and a tow later.

A friggin electrical problem! :mad: Car won't start -- nothing. No fusible link prolem. It's either the neutral safety switch or the solenoid pooped the bed -- and it happened right after I made that post!


tiny terror 12-28-2006 08:18 PM

Ah, the Jeep Gods at work. You have been warned!!! Thou shalt not speak badly of Jeeps.

bluvikng 12-28-2006 08:18 PM

Is that Carma, or what?

amy 12-28-2006 10:00 PM

Nope, that's Karma. :D

4Jeepn 12-28-2006 10:07 PM

Have had 97 00 01 and 00 again.. all where about the same. 97 did have the exhaust thingy but other than that.. normal repairs nothing too bad.. Buddy has a 99 no consant issues that I know of.

Siggie 12-28-2006 10:15 PM

It's freaky -- I mean, I posted, picked up my phone and blam! Jeep's broke! And and electrical problem. LOL!

It has been written:

The universe has a perfect accounting system for Kharmic debts. No debt goes unpaid.


It has also been written:

Any problem that can be addressed with money is not a problem. It's an expense! :p

Having bad Kharma is a problem. LOL!

kg4kpg 12-29-2006 07:42 AM

My first jeep was a 99 TJ SE. An eraly recall was the exhaust manifold bolts. One of mine broke, which is how I found out. I had other minor problem but all were fixed by me. I had it for three years with some good wheelin'. I would own a '99 again. Now I have a 2000, we'll see where it goes.

bluvikng 12-29-2006 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by bluvikng (Post 41382)
Is that Carma, or what?

Let me put it another way, "Jeepma", small attempt at humor.

Texapple 12-29-2006 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by bluvikng (Post 41526)
Let me put it another way, "Jeepma", small attempt at humor.

hehehe ^^^^^^

You got me....and I don't have a sense of humor (just ask Frank) :eek:

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