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Cash_097 01-23-2014 06:23 PM

Electronic roll mitigation bypass
 
How do you disable electronic roll mitigation on a 2012 JK?. It's impossible to have in the snow. Want my 97 back.

Txrdstr 01-23-2014 06:34 PM

What is it?

Cash_097 01-23-2014 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Txrdstr (Post 7669401)
What is it?

I think that is what it's called, but it cuts your steering ability when going into a slide, or trying to do a doughnut in the snow.

MSpiegel00 01-23-2014 06:47 PM

Press and hold the ESC button for five seconds until it dings, no?

Txrdstr 01-23-2014 06:49 PM

ESC , electronic stability control. Little button bottom center dash, push hold for a few seconds. It's in the owners manual.

Cash_097 01-23-2014 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Txrdstr (Post 7669681)
ESC , electronic stability control. Little button bottom center dash, push hold for a few seconds. It's in the owners manual.

Will do. Thanks

Scott2373 01-23-2014 07:03 PM

Cuts your steering ability? That's a new one...how does that work, exactly?

Cash_097 01-23-2014 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott2373 (Post 7669977)
Cuts your steering ability? That's a new one...how does that work, exactly?

It disables your steering wheel intermittently when trying to do a doughnut in the snow.

TerryC6 01-23-2014 09:55 PM

Stability control and roll mitigation function by applying brakes to individual wheels to correct the slide or roll.

getoffmyleg 01-23-2014 11:29 PM

Check out this post.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/ma...le-155357.html

mckey73 01-23-2014 11:33 PM

You will never be able to completely shut it off.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/ab...res-87119.html

Cash_097 01-25-2014 05:52 AM

Just tried the bypass switch setup and it works great! Thanks for everyone's help.

Xena1 01-25-2014 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by getoffmyleg (Post 7677849)

Does this work with 2014's too? Thanks!

Cash_097 01-25-2014 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Xena1 (Post 7706921)
Does this work with 2014's too? Thanks!

Mines a 2012. Not sure on a 2014.

Xena1 01-26-2014 01:11 PM

After you turned it off, does the "off" light stay on? What happens when you push the "off" button, and lastly, does it come on in 4L?

Cash_097 01-26-2014 07:42 PM

Abs & traction control light stay on.
Bypass switch (one I installed) open or on - allows the driver to have control of the jeep, like the earlier models 97 etc.
Switch in the closed or off position returns it back to factory - no lights laminated. Haven't tried it in 4L.

mckey73 01-26-2014 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cash_097 (Post 7716809)
Mines a 2012. Not sure on a 2014.

I know 13's are just the same, not sure if anything changed for '14 or not. I guess you could pull the center console and cut the appropriate wire to see if it works. If it doesn't just splice it back together.

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Originally Posted by Cash_097 (Post 7751121)
Abs & traction control light stay on.
Bypass switch (one I installed) open or on - allows the driver to have control of the jeep, like the earlier models 97 etc.
Switch in the closed or off position returns it back to factory - no lights laminated. Haven't tried it in 4L.

It works the same in 4L. Once you flip the switch you installed it won't go back to normal until you flip the switch again and cycle the ignition.

Sueby 01-27-2014 12:52 PM

Any of you guys that have done the bypass switch on the newer Jeeps (12+) have an automatic? I want to do this but from all I've read on an auto it will put the jeep in limp mode but it works fine on a stick.

relyt 01-27-2014 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cash_097 (Post 7672121)
It disables your steering wheel intermittently when trying to do a doughnut in the snow.

Just to clarify, this is not correct. The steering is a 100% mechanical connection from the steering wheel to the wheels themselves. The ESC works by firing the brakes at individual wheels in an attempt to stop a slide. It is an uncomfortable feeling, but it is actually very effective. That said, if you're trying to drift around parking lots or do donuts, you'll want to turn the system off by holding the traction control button for 7 seconds. The system should remain off until the ignition is cycled, and will need to be disabled again if desired.

Cash_097 01-27-2014 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sueby (Post 7768161)
Any of you guys that have done the bypass switch on the newer Jeeps (12+) have an automatic? I want to do this but from all I've read on an auto it will put the jeep in limp mode but it works fine on a stick.

Mine is an automatic. Didn't seem to slow it down any, but I only use it when playing in the snow. I tried the 7 second trick but no luck. Maybe I didn't do something correct.

2trackin 01-27-2014 06:51 PM

I have a 2014. I can turn it off in 4hi by holding the button down for several seconds but only when at a stop. You cannot disable it while moving. Once disabled you may proceed to drive with traction control and stability control disabled. I used it this way other this past weekend while wheeling seasonal roads with over three foot of snow.
4lo it is automatically disabled.

mckey73 01-27-2014 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by relyt (Post 7770521)

Just to clarify, this is not correct. The steering is a 100% mechanical connection from the steering wheel to the wheels themselves. The ESC works by firing the brakes at individual wheels in an attempt to stop a slide. It is an uncomfortable feeling, but it is actually very effective. That said, if you're trying to drift around parking lots or do donuts, you'll want to turn the system off by holding the traction control button for 7 seconds. The system should remain off until the ignition is cycled, and will need to be disabled again if desired.

Holding it down for seven seconds will disable all but three of the parameters monitored by the esc system. To completely disable it you have to disable the accelerometer like the link above describes. Those same 3 things are still active in 4 lo, so it's not totally disabled in this situation either.

This should have no effect on your transmission, it won't put it in limp mode. The esc system on these vehicles is horrible, especially if you are on anything other than dry pavement.

Sueby 01-27-2014 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mckey73 (Post 7778161)
Holding it down for seven seconds will disable all but three of the parameters monitored by the esc system. To completely disable it you have to disable the accelerometer like the link above describes. Those same 3 things are still active in 4 lo, so it's not totally disabled in this situation either. This should have no effect on your transmission, it won't put it in limp mode. The esc system on these vehicles is horrible, especially if you are on anything other than dry pavement.

No offense, but how do you know that? Are you just guessing or have you seen it done? I did a ton of reading after my Jeep freaked out one day climbing a big ass rock in 4L & almost killed me (ok, maybe a slight exaggeration!) & all I could find was it works great on a stick but not on an auto.

Numerous threads like this one all over the place: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f96/e...ation-1431350/

http://www.jkfreaks.com/forums/archi...hp/t-7749.html

Sueby 01-27-2014 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cash_097 (Post 7776305)
Mine is an automatic. Didn't seem to slow it down any, but I only use it when playing in the snow. I tried the 7 second trick but no luck. Maybe I didn't do something correct.

So you installed the bypass switch on your auto & it works - like flip the switch & all the lights on the dash light up and everything & no nannies kick in? No abs, no hill descent, no nothing?? That would be awesome.

Cash_097 01-28-2014 04:58 AM

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The hill decent light flashes a few times then goes out. The abs & traction light stay on. 2012 JKS.

Attachment 709977

mckey73 01-28-2014 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cash_097 (Post 7786945)
The hill decent light flashes a few times then goes out. The abs & traction light stay on. 2012 JKS.

So you can drive it to work like that with no issues?

Cash_097 01-28-2014 03:20 PM

No cruise control, but it's hard to cruse on bad roads. Main thing is I have control of the jeep again. About 7 miles from work with no problems so far.

Sueby 01-28-2014 04:52 PM

Sweet! Thanks for testing it out & updating. I only want it for off road so I'm not worried about no cruise or anything like that - I just want the nannies 100% off off road.

spinlock 01-28-2014 05:57 PM

OP, ESC in no way limits your steering ability. It actually works by reading your steering inputs and the Jeeps motion to keep you out of trouble. The only way it controls "steering" the Jeep is through selected inputs to brakes on the individual wheels as described above.

Make sure you understand what it does because it there for your safety, including to avoid rolling over while doing donuts in the snow. :)

COStrider 01-29-2014 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by spinlock (Post 7803177)
OP, ESC in no way limits your steering ability. It actually works by reading your steering inputs and the Jeeps motion to keep you out of trouble. The only way it controls "steering" the Jeep is through selected inputs to brakes on the individual wheels as described above. Make sure you understand what it does because it there for your safety, including to avoid rolling over while doing donuts in the snow. :)

You are wrong. My steering wheel has an effect where you can't turn it at all over the same crazy bump on a bridge expansion joint. It locks up. It happens regularly at that spot but rarely anywhere else. All the parameters are set accordingly for gears and tire size with a procal. It feels like the power steering goes out for a second or two. NOT A GOOD FEELING. And it's happened since I had a completely new front suspension (all synergy: trac bar, tie rod, drag link, ball joints, trac bar and steering sector shaft brace) and a fresh alignment on a brand new alignment rack.

I can assure you the power steering wheel system IS affected by ESP or ESC or whatever electronic bs is in place.

2012, 6 speed, AEV 3.5", 35's, procal, etc


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