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drivebytruckerz 05-20-2010 10:37 PM

Jeep > Land Rover
 
I found this report online.. thought it spoke well of Jeeps engineering in direct comparison with it's British counterpart.

"Jeep Commander versus Land Rover LR3" Edmunds CarPool

I know it's not a Wrangler story.. but still.. it's relevant.

mrcarcrazy 05-21-2010 10:27 AM

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the reader comments, are markedly anti-jeep.

toshpate 05-21-2010 10:36 AM

would like to see a jeep CJ-FJ40 comparison thread, I like both vehicles and wonder how they would stack up.. could care less about the new FJ's

mrcarcrazy 05-21-2010 10:46 AM

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That would be cool.

toshpate 05-21-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mrcarcrazy (Post 630590)
That would be cool.

from what I can tell texas has some great FJ and Jeep restorer companies down there.. If I could have any hobby and no limit budget it would be rebuilding those vehicles..love em but heck broke and honestly don't know jack about engines and what not

mrcarcrazy 05-21-2010 11:15 AM

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Yeah, the friend I have, had his painted in Mexico...apparently the "correct" paint is(was) not avail. in the US. But all the other work was done somewhere in TX.

toshpate 05-21-2010 11:25 AM

a friend of mine just bought a sweet old fj for 3k looks good and everything..so very jealous

drivebytruckerz 05-21-2010 11:39 AM

I would like to see all of the "like" models comped.. Range Rover vs. Grand Cherokee etc..

toshpate 05-21-2010 11:52 AM

yarp

drivebytruckerz 05-21-2010 12:03 PM

My argument is this.. give me a stock Jeep and I bet I'd out wheel a Rover any day.. but, factor in the price difference.. give me a stock Jeep and that amount of cash for mods.. and it'd be over before it started..

toshpate 05-21-2010 12:37 PM

are we talking land rover defender?

yj-genral 05-21-2010 12:55 PM

i think some of the comments are just plain ridiculous... laughable... they are so uppidy that anything other than landrover is beyond them... its classic branding... landrover is a ford product if im not mistaken... so its the age old my ford is better than your chrysler or chevy model and to think you would even compare me to you is absurd i win you fail - thank you ... nuff said.. HAH

correction, ford sold the brand to TATA motors of india (also the manufacturer of the smallest, cheapest, unsafe car on the market to date)

just wait for TATA to get their hands around the design of the landrover, you bought it in 2008 so give it another 2 years or so and the new model will be shot lol

toshpate 05-21-2010 01:08 PM

I am talking the old defenders that they dont even make anymore, I think they stopped in 97 because they didnt want to put airbags in them ha ha or so I read. But I agree its a status symbol. I would not take an expensive 4x4 off roading anyways..seems pretentious..but since I will never own one, its moot

drivebytruckerz 05-21-2010 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by toshpate (Post 630675)
are we talking land rover defender?

I'd say the comp to a Wrangler would be the Defender 90. The Ranger Rover would comp to the Grand Cherokee and then the comp you saw in the write up I posted..

deathphoenix99 05-21-2010 01:23 PM

Jeep is better offroading....hands down.

toshpate 05-21-2010 01:41 PM

but stock tho? I love jeeps too but if we are going stock and not factoring in cost, I have heard the 4x4 systems are better, but heck I dunno just have read the magazine stories on them and never driven a land rover. They have been at it a lot longer then jeep- not counting willys of course, read a story that land rover actually had an early version based on a willys but went on to make wagons..opinions are like behinds tho, everyone has one he he he (my opinions are usually wrong or faulty anyways :) )

drivebytruckerz 05-21-2010 01:47 PM

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The entire land rover model is based on surplus Jeeps left in England after WWII. You have to count the Willys don't you.. it's the granddaddy of them all. If you take a stock Grand Cherokee Limited with a V8 vs. it's counterpart.. a stock Ranger Rover top of the line.. I bet you I could get the Jeep into/out of a lot more places.

Besides.. Land Rover was just a Jeep copy originally. Prototypes were built on a Willys frame.

toshpate 05-21-2010 01:58 PM

true my ex has a limited 05 with the hemi, last feb (2009) oklahoma had a hella storm-my jeep was frozen solid but we got everywhere in his. I do wonder if jeep was built in Europe-england if all the "safari" vehicles used in africa and australia would be jeep based or still land rover, we will never know but its a good question...random thought I know but I am easily distracted :)

asked my brother to ship me one over when he was overseas, he has yet to do it, bummer

drivebytruckerz 05-21-2010 02:02 PM

I just edited my earlier post with a picture of the 1946 Land Rover "centersteer." Look familiar Jeepers? :rofl:

toshpate 05-21-2010 02:20 PM

thats the one I was talking about...based on the willys!!!

burton160w 05-21-2010 04:30 PM

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landrover is a ford product if im not mistaken.
No, now it's an Indian owned TaTa Motors company.

The Land Rover Defender is still produced and still sells in fairly high volume in Europe. They stopped selling the Defender in the US because of the airbag requirement and the extremely low sales of Defenders in the United States. But the Defender still is in my top five favorite dream vehicles. When I was in Belgium I saw them everywhere.

My mother owns a Jeep Commander, and while I have never driven an LR3, I can tell you this. It's a great street SUV. It drives fantastic, it's comfortable, and it's still powerful so it makes a great towing vehicle. But off-road it handles like a complete blunder. The automatic transmission can't find a gear, the ground clearance stock makes it unusable for many scenarios, and the auto-shift whatever piece of crap is completely unresponsive. Overall, for a mall-queen, the Commander is an excellent vehicle, but as an off-roader I'll stick with my Wrangler or a Defender. We're at 50,000 miles now in a first year 2006 and have had no significant problems, so that's something.

Plus, no one has ever considered Land Rovers to be reliable vehicles. They're not. But when looking at my first car, I seriously had been considering a Discovery, and still I absolutely love that body style.

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Look familiar Jeepers?
Yea it does, it looks similar to what was sold to AMC and then over to Chrysler to use for their CJs. What's your point? We're not driving an original Willy's and neither is Land Rover. Both are simply based off 'em.

toshpate 05-21-2010 04:38 PM

^what he said.. my dream car is a 90's defender, or a 70's FJ40-similar cousins I would say, but that being said would love a mint CJ

toshpate 05-21-2010 04:43 PM

o and like I said my brother was in albania and said all the "thugs" to show off loved big american SUV's because it was a sign of money, gas was or is way more expensive then diesel, and said driving was scary, it was nothing to bump people out of the way, no traffic rules apllied apparently. he has his pathfinder shipped everywhere with him, its gone from DC to Albania, to West africa, his car is more well traveled then I am!!

daggo66 05-21-2010 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mrcarcrazy (Post 630573)
the reader comments, are markedly anti-jeep.

as well as idiotic.

daggo66 05-21-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by toshpate (Post 630578)
would like to see a jeep CJ-FJ40 comparison thread, I like both vehicles and wonder how they would stack up.. could care less about the new FJ's

I'm sure you can find it in some old Peterson's 4 Wheel and Off Road magazine from the 80's. I used to subscribe when I had my CJ7 back then and I'm pretty sure they did some comparisons. JP magazine just did one this past month with a Rubicon and a FJ.

GroundHawg 05-21-2010 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by toshpate (Post 630738)
but stock tho? I love jeeps too but if we are going stock and not factoring in cost, I have heard the 4x4 systems are better, but heck I dunno just have read the magazine stories on them and never driven a land rover. They have been at it a lot longer then jeep- not counting willys of course, read a story that land rover actually had an early version based on a willys but went on to make wagons..opinions are like behinds tho, everyone has one he he he (my opinions are usually wrong or faulty anyways :) )

You bet! Front and rear heavy duty, SOLID axles. Lockers. 32" mudders. Looooow crawl ratio. 4.11 gears. Hell, a stock JK Rubicon will rival some built FJ's, H2's, Xterras, and yes...Rovers.

Save those things for kangaroo chasing on the Outback. Nobody does off-road, REAL off-road like a red white and blue jeep.

drivebytruckerz 05-21-2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by burton160w (Post 630923)
Yea it does, it looks similar to what was sold to AMC and then over to Chrysler to use for their CJs. What's your point? We're not driving an original Willy's and neither is Land Rover. Both are simply based off 'em.

I'd say the modern Wrangler is more than "based off" the Willys. Of course technology has changed, but you can actually still SEE the soul in the design 70 years later.

That's like saying the 2010 Yankees are "based off" the original team.. of course it's not the same players, but it IS the Yankees.. while the Mets "based off" the same concept, but they are NOT the Yankees..

I was just poking fun at how Land Rover blatantly copied a vehicle in its original form.. just making a joke about creative plagiarism.


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