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Samanator 06-03-2010 10:33 AM

HID Suggestions and tips
 
I have come to find HID headlights are something I can not live without. Anyone convert theirs? Any tips? My neighbor has a company that sells the kits but it is always good to get input if there are some wiring gotchas.:wavey:

Note Search really did not find anything under HID, HID headlights, HID Conversions, Xeon or Xeon headlights

dogshmog 06-03-2010 11:27 AM

This is something that is probably illegal in your area, per DOT, and citable as illegal vehicle modifications. However, most police officers aren't usually aware which vehicles have HID as factory installed or OEM option. HID's usually means you lose the high beam as well. HID bulbs are designed to be used in HID designed reflectors, using them in halogen reflectors will typically make you the a-hole who is blinding everyone on the road. That being said, all retrofit kits that I have used before simply plug into the existing headlight harness. As long as you pick up a kit for 9008 bulb fitment, you should be good to go. Take a look around, there are motorized ones which claim to have low/high beam ability, although I personally have no experience with those.

You could try sylvania silverstar ultras for marginal, but noticable, increase in brightness.

deathphoenix99 06-03-2010 11:43 AM

I have HID's in my S10 and LOVE them.

I have hi and low beam via the motor that tilts the bulbs, and it does work. You can also get bi-xenon where the low is HID and the high is a regular bulb.

If you do install HID's, please get a set that has the shield on the bulb, this will cut down on glare and make it safer for other drivers. I have HID's in my fogs as well, but they are unshielded, making them 2x brighter than my headlights, however, I ONLY RUN THEM ON DESERTED ROADS.

And as stated, ALL HID's are illegal if the vehicle didn't come with them from factory, but most cops don't care as they are very common. I've yet to hear of anyone being hassled for their HID's.

Samanator 06-03-2010 12:13 PM

I've run a set for 4 years previously on my FJ that were dual beam. No one cares in Florida, there are much more dangerous mods out on the roads here.

orange05tj 06-03-2010 01:12 PM

a buddy of mine has them in his JK and loves them. Ill find out what kit he uses.

mrcarcrazy 06-03-2010 01:18 PM

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Get projectors. HID's + reflector housing = blind everyone else.

I'm not a fan of being blinded, so I advise everyone against this mod, unless you're willing to put the money into it that is required to make it a good/safe mod.

search might not have worked since they aren't xeon, its "Xenon".

PTaylor 06-03-2010 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chau8238 (Post 643058)
I have HID's in my S10 and LOVE them.

I have hi and low beam via the motor that tilts the bulbs, and it does work. You can also get bi-xenon where the low is HID and the high is a regular bulb.

If you do install HID's, please get a set that has the shield on the bulb, this will cut down on glare and make it safer for other drivers. I have HID's in my fogs as well, but they are unshielded, making them 2x brighter than my headlights, however, I ONLY RUN THEM ON DESERTED ROADS.

And as stated, ALL HID's are illegal if the vehicle didn't come with them from factory, but most cops don't care as they are very common. I've yet to hear of anyone being hassled for their HID's.


Where did you get the HID fogs? are they a replacement for the OEM Jeep lights or something entirely separate? I'd like to check into a set of HID fogs too if not too much.

JC JK 06-03-2010 01:32 PM

Not HIDs but what about this Welcome to LEDHeadlamps.com

Samanator 06-03-2010 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mrcarcrazy (Post 643130)

search might not have worked since they aren't xeon, its "Xenon".

Sorry typo here but had it right in the search.

mrcarcrazy 06-03-2010 01:59 PM

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Oh ok, cool. just wanted to make sure you were searching for the right thing

I have no experience w/ LED headlights. I know Ford tried a few years ago, but ran into some issues. If you can get them bright enough, and to cast a light far enough it'd be a great device. should be rather pricey as well (based on the single brand of LED off road lights I've seen for sale)

Samanator 06-03-2010 02:17 PM

My edit timed out so here is the rest:

I've been followed by my previous off-roader with these and if they are done right no one get's blinded. Just take the time to set them right (Actually I set them a little lower). Since My neighbors sells these he has the aiming equipment to get them just right. The LED are interesting but it seems like an old dead site. Makes references to preorders before September 2009 and no up dates so that seems to show no one looked at it since before that. Have tried the other bulb replacements in similar vehicles, nowhere close. Funny it appears there is a vendor of these kits as a Forum Sponsor. Go to the Vegas shows and these are everywhere and the same with the back of magazines next to the engine computer chips. While I have heard the same thing regarding the legality I also see vendors with documents that make claims of being legal. All claims I have seen to date show no real reference to a law anywhere regardless if they are legal or illegal. The same claim could be made for most after market exhaust systems, air intakes and quite a few tire and wheel combos and lifts... pretty much most mods. Personally I find a car that has such large wheels and tires that the steering can't even move a 1/4 lock without rubbing more dangerous since it can't even execute a simple right turn up a street without crossing lanes.

JIMBOX 06-03-2010 02:22 PM

:cool: I've got Luminix H13 (JDM Yellow) very bright with a very lite yellow cast and non blinding, for headlights

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...il09fog005.jpg

:rofl::rofl: JIMBO

Hip2u77 06-03-2010 03:59 PM

The factory reflectors are pretty bad so don't use a kit with them. You'll just blind everyone.

Do it right or look into what a whole lot of people, including me, have done and skip the HID's and go with Cibie E-codes and some 75w or 85w genuine Osram bulbs.

I wouldn't take the time to install HIDs if someone gave me a kit as I just don't need anymore light on the road. I do have set of Lightforce Strikers that are tied in to my high beams but they're angled out to hit the sides of the road for animals.

Daniel Stern has a lot of good info on his site.

Hilldweller 06-04-2010 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JC JK (Post 643140)
Not HIDs but what about this Welcome to LEDHeadlamps.com

Truck-lite LED headlights just don't work. I wanted them to, I tested them, they don't work well at all.
Bummer; sorry.

This is the forum to ask questions about automotive lighting and get real honest expert answers. Not just opinions, facts.

Most HID kits are illegal. Most are dangerous. Most don't even work well.
My FedEx Ground guy came in my office two days ago and told me about his rebased HID bulb kit that he got for $70 for his Silverado. It's got a color temperature of 10K kelvin.
After I swallowed the puke in my mouth I showed him the Daniel Stern website, the pending litigation against illegal kits, and tried to explain to him how those lights (and Silverstars, for that matter) don't work with your eyes to help you see.

Go to Candlepower Forums and do some searching and reading. Go to DS's site and learn from an expert; I've exchanged emails with him and he's great. Then buy his Cibie housings, a harness from Rallylights.com, and a set of Osram bulbs and see the light.

deathphoenix99 06-04-2010 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PTaylor (Post 643139)
Where did you get the HID fogs? are they a replacement for the OEM Jeep lights or something entirely separate? I'd like to check into a set of HID fogs too if not too much.


Well, my Fogs are just regular Fog lamps with a plug and play HID kit in them, depending on the fogs, you can easily swap out the bulb for an HID.

However, they do make aftermarket HID fogs.
http://dezertdimes.com/2010/05/8-alu...f-road-lights/


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Originally Posted by mrcarcrazy (Post 643130)
Get projectors. HID's + reflector housing = blind everyone else.

I'm not a fan of being blinded, so I advise everyone against this mod, unless you're willing to put the money into it that is required to make it a good/safe mod.

search might not have worked since they aren't xeon, its "Xenon".

Reflector housings and fogs aren't bad, remember, the original OEM fogs were in reflector housings. And most aftermarket "projectors" are not true projectors, they have a lens so they look like a projector, but have very poor lighting output and blind people even more. I haven't looked to hard, but so far the only way to get REAL projectors is to do a retrofit in a stock or aftermarket housing. And as I stated above, the ones that blind you are unshielded HID's.

This is my S10 with HID's. They are 6000K, but the camera makes them look more blueish.
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...8/DSC01727.jpg

Without the fogs they don't blind people.
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...8/DSC01720.jpg

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...8/DSC01728.jpg


As you can see, they have a cutoff line to an extent. And I have not been flashed when running my headlights only.
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC01753-1.jpg

guygettnby 06-04-2010 07:30 AM

you need to wire up a relay to the HID kit. beyond that i am not sure right now, if you can wait abit i will be able to tell you the exact wires and such to make the kits work properly and what was needed to be bought. i have not got the chance to install mine yet.

you will find mixed answers in this forum and most will just sit there and bash you. there are the few that are willing to actually help you out on this subject. but when it comes to chrome and HID lights expect to be bashed non stop on this site. if you do some google searches you will come up with alot more info then you will find on this site.

deathphoenix99 06-04-2010 07:34 AM

A relay harness is a must! However, some HID kits come with a relay harness if they include hi and low beams. If the OP needs any help or wiring, feel free to PM me and I"ll get back to you.

Hilldweller 06-04-2010 04:42 PM

No bashing; illegal, unsafe, ill-advised mods are, well, stupid.

You can install a 7" true HID retrofit that's legal though. And I provided a link to a site where you can learn how. Candlepowerforums. Also HIDplanet.com.

SamiJo89 06-04-2010 06:17 PM

i was wondering the same thing i had HIDs in my SS and loved them.. i'm not used to these headlights. i would def get a shield on these (as i did with the cobalt) so i dont blind other ppl.. and IMO you dont need highs with HIDs they are bright enough :-)

Samanator 06-05-2010 03:32 PM

Actually I think I'm being convinced to go to the Trucklite LED's given some of the suggested sites. I've found a few more sites for these . These appear to be legal and a direct replacement with no additional wiring if I'm reading this correct.

Hilldweller 06-05-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Samanator (Post 645198)
Actually I think I'm being convinced to go to the Trucklite LED's given some of the suggested sites. I've found a few more sites for these . These appear to be legal and a direct replacement with no additional wiring if I'm reading this correct.

I PM'd you but look at this thread and my Truck-Lite beamshots.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...ad.php?t=38015

I think I posted them on this forum before too. Truck-Lite LED lights are cool to look at, not cool to look with.

Barrie 06-05-2010 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilldweller (Post 645241)
I PM'd you but look at this thread and my Truck-Lite beamshots.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...ad.php?t=38015

I think I posted them on this forum before too. Truck-Lite LED lights are cool to look at, not cool to look with.

Thanks for the tip, I was leaning towards the Truck-lite LED's

Samanator 06-05-2010 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilldweller (Post 645241)
I PM'd you but look at this thread and my Truck-Lite beamshots.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...ad.php?t=38015

I think I posted them on this forum before too. Truck-Lite LED lights are cool to look at, not cool to look with.

Thanks man. This is the kind of input that I'm looking for. Those pics show at the Bottom a tinted HID and a Osram high beam... did you go to something else now?

hig4s 06-05-2010 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Samanator (Post 643078)
I've run a set for 4 years previously on my FJ that were dual beam. No one cares in Florida, there are much more dangerous mods out on the roads here.


I care, and I'm really getting tired of being blinded by improperly set up HIDs.

I don't see what the big deal is anyway, unless you live in a very rural area and drive a lot of two lane twisty highways (none of those in Florida) at night there is no point.

Hilldweller 06-06-2010 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Samanator (Post 645292)
Thanks man. This is the kind of input that I'm looking for. Those pics show at the Bottom a tinted HID and a Osram high beam... did you go to something else now?

I'm still using the H4 Osram 70/65 bulbs in Hella housings with power directly from the battery and the tint job on the HIDs is still flawless.
I only use the HIDs when I'm on the trail or on the road alone; they are NOT suited for use in traffic. In fact, I don't even use the stock fogs in traffic. There really is no need with the Hella lights.

For illustrative purposes, here are the two sets of lights. The auxiliary lights are HIDx 4" with the lenses tinted selective yellow with Duplicolor Metalcast Yellow from Summit Racing; the headlights are the Hella kit with harness from Rallylights.com that I got on sale last December for $180.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6thride034.jpg



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Originally Posted by hig4s (Post 645399)
I care, and I'm really getting tired of being blinded by improperly set up HIDs.

Me too. Times 10.
There is nothing that inspires road rage in me more than being blinded by cheesy illegal lights.

Give it a think.
Headlight regulations are fairly complex and most states now defer to FDOT rather than try to write their own regs. It's not just a ticket if you get caught; it's a really big ticket.

Now take a worst-case scenario.
You're motoring home on a podunk 2-lane after wheeling all day with your sweetie. You stopped for some barbeque, you've left the caravan of your buddies, and you're almost home. You admire how your new HID lights blaze a path and cut through the mirky evening.
Then you turn a corner, there's an oncoming car, it blinks its highbeams at you, once, twice, ... ... it begins to swerve a bit and clips you at an oblique angle and you both spin off into the ditch.
Later when the LEOs get there and take statements, the lady in the car you just caused to wreck says she was blinded by your lights. Joe Cop calls DOT; DOT looks at your lights. Your Jeep is impounded for an expert to examine. Your lights are very easy to identify as an illegal retrofit and you are slammed with both a legal infraction and civil case ---- culpable liability.

Newsflash; the above case did happen and is still in various stages of trial; I modified some details to be Jeep specific but you get the idea.

jk'n 06-30-2010 07:32 AM

Now, if that were my loved one that Hilldweller was describing and it were not just an accident but now, lets say that the accident caused death, and then it was discovered that the lights were illegal. And by the way, if one of my loved ones has an accident at night, my first words to the police would be to verify the legality of the lighting system on the other vehicle involved in the accident. If it is found that the lighting system is illegal, not only will the owner of the vehicle be involved in the law suit, the manufacturer and any other entity possibly culpable in the use of the lights will be named in the suite. This is one of the ways that this type of nonsense will begin to be stopped. My advice to anybody who has an evening accident would be the same...have the lighting systems of the vehicles involved checked for legality.

I am currently on vacation in Florida. We arrived on the island resort after driving from Massachusetts at about one o'clock in the morning a few days ago. We were driving on a pretty rural single lane road for about 20 miles to the very end of the island. My brother was driving at the time and I was in the passenger seat. With stock lights on and the fog lights on, we were flashed and high beamed by just about every other vehicle driving in the opposite direction. My brother made the comment that the lighting system on the jeep was quite impressive compared to vehicles that he has driven including his current Audi. This has been my contention all along in threads like these, that the stock system is adequate. If you need more light on the trail, add trail type auxiliary lighting systems and have a ball. Don't install this illegal stuff and be a menace on the road and a threat to your heirs fortunes.

TrueNorth 06-30-2010 03:30 PM

Police here in WA (State patrol, Sheriffs and local PD) DO NOT like aftermarket HID lights or the everpopular fleabay 80/100 ultrabrights.

NHTSA ILLEGAL LIGHTING CRACKDOWN CONTINUES

Continuing its crackdown against manufacturers and suppliers of illegal lighting equipment, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) today announced its decision that high intensity discharge (HID) conversion kits produced by a Texas company do not comply with federal safety standards.

The owner of ASTEX USA, a supplier of aftermarket HID kits, was ordered to conduct a recall campaign and provide a no-cost solution to the customer. The company is based in Dayton, TX. When installed in a motor vehicle, the HID kits “can be expected to produce excessive glare to oncoming motorists and others,” NHTSA said in its decision.

To date, NHTSA has investigated 24 HID conversion kit suppliers; all investigations have resulted in recalls or termination of sales.

“These illegal lights are a potential hazard to those who share the road,” said NHTSA Administrator Jeffrey Runge, MD. “And we will continue to pursue those offering them for sale and violating the law.”

Companies that sell, import or manufacture non-compliant equipment could face substantial civil penalties, NHTSA said. Current fine is $10,000.

Hilldweller 06-30-2010 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jk'n (Post 672955)
With stock lights on and the fog lights on, we were flashed and high beamed by just about every other vehicle driving in the opposite direction.

Sounds like your stockers aren't aimed correctly. Daniel Stern Aiming Instructions
Also, the fogs provide foreground light and actually detract from your ability to see distance well; they're only suited for driving slowly in the fog (or on trails).

The H13 was an ill-designed bulb; its sole intention was meeting a price-point by using cheap materials. The JK further castrates the H13's ability to illuminate by powering it with a convoluted wiring array.
A nice set of Cibies, H4 bulbs, and a wiring harness will provide a perfectly legal upgrade that has to be seen to be believed.

As a contrast point, my MINI also uses H13 bulbs. But they have much better reflectors and wiring; they put out so much more light than a stock JK that it's hard to imagine that they're exactly the same bulbs.

jk'n 06-30-2010 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilldweller (Post 673535)
Sounds like your stockers aren't aimed correctly. Daniel Stern Aiming Instructions
Also, the fogs provide foreground light and actually detract from your ability to see distance well; they're only suited for driving slowly in the fog (or on trails).

Mass inspection checks aiming annually. So I suspect they are aimed correctly. The access road to the island is a slow road and typically when I am on unknown slow roads or roads I know are pretty well beat up with potholes, I use the fogs to show the imperfections up to try and avoid hitting them.

Point well taken on the lighting upgrade. If I get a hankering for more light, I believe that route is the one I would take. I'm still looking at it. It is on my possible mods list and, by the way, thanks for all of the information on lighting. Anything that I do on that part of the jeep, I would want to be within legal limits. I appreciate the information you have contributed.

Hilldweller 07-01-2010 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jk'n (Post 673626)
Mass inspection checks aiming annually. So I suspect they are aimed correctly.

Spec in the US is a joke. 4" up or down from center at 25' and you'll pass.
4" up from center on a Jeep is pretty scary.
I'm not sure what Mass uses for their standard but the 8" swing is FDOT.
I know what you mean about twisty slow roads and using fogs. I commute to work on a couple of twisty dirt roads and need my HID fogs in the winter when visibility can be 10 yards or less; those seem to be the days that you find deer in the middle of the road, confused and reading road maps...


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