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browneisthenewblack 06-03-2010 03:21 PM

Are body lifts stupid?
 
So I'm new to jeeping. i Have a stock 06 TJ and am interested in a small lift and some slightly larger tires. Not for looks but for off road capabilities.

Firstly, i've heard over and over again that you ran ride 31x10.5 tires on stock suspension, but how bad is the rubbing off road. I don't want any rubbing.

Secondly, are body lifts stupid? I've had people tell me that no lift is worth it but a suspension lift. Is this true? Are body lifts purely for looks or does the slight lift and larger tires help you off road?

I only want to gain enough height to run 31x10.5 tires with NO chance of rubbing. I also don't want my tires to look too small for my Jeep. Will a one inch body lift suffice?

Thanks for any input.

drivebytruckerz 06-03-2010 03:25 PM

I think BL's are junk.

I have 31X10.50's on my 2000 TJ with no lift at all. It doesn't rub unless you have it turned all the way (and I mean all the way) and you hit a curb or something making a fast turn. Off road.. if there's no speed involved.. there's no rub. You can get a 1.5-2" suspension lift for cheap.. and it actually helps for performance..

mrcarcrazy 06-03-2010 03:30 PM

1-1.25 inch BL is good for many things. ( most tummy tuck's, gas tank skids require them)

you can run a 31'' tire without rubbing on a Stock TJ (I am)

most can't tell a 1'' BL has even been installed.(until close inspection)

But body lifts are inanimate so they are not stupid or smart. ;)

jskinn27 06-03-2010 03:41 PM

body lifts can mess your shit up, nuff said. they can crack while offroading and mess up the frame. id highly recommend saving up a little longer and get a small suspension lift

drivebytruckerz 06-03-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jskinn27 (Post 643257)
body lifts can mess your shit up, nuff said. they can crack while offroading and mess up the frame. id highly recommend saving up a little longer and get a small suspension lift

I agree. But you can go ahead and get those 31" tires. I've had mine a month with no issues. You can look at them on my Jeep's profile.

jwm1986 06-03-2010 03:58 PM

How'd all these anti-body lift people just show up out of nowhere! I don't like BIG body lifts. But as stated, a small BL is needed for certain add-ons on Jeeps! Can't get around it. If you get a motor mount lift to help with vibrations you need one, if you get a tummy-tuck kit you need one, high clearance skids need one, etc....

Dejablu311 06-03-2010 04:07 PM

Nothing is wrong with a body lift unless you go bigger than 1". 1" body lifts have no negative impact and as mentioned are required for some very helpful after market products. You can't run a flat skid without one. The comment about the the frame twisting must be from experiences with much older trucks and jeeps. The TJ frame is fully boxed and is more then capable of handling a body lift. Obviously the more lift you have bigger the risk of flexing. My advise is to get a body lift made of aluminum. This way the there is minimal to no side to side deflection over stock. This is what I did.

Story time: Last year I was at a dead stop and rear ended at 45 mph by another TJ. I was hit so hard my seat back collapsed and i went flying into the back of my jeep. I have a very beefy rear bumper. I got a dime sized dent in the bumper. All the glass in my hard top was blown out. The offender's jeep went underneath me and blew out one of my tires and crushed a shock. Tail gait got a little dented up as well. Unfortunately for him, My rear bumper shoved his motor through his fire wall. He was fine but drunk and doesn't remember it. Whats the point of this story? Well i took an extremely hard hit with exactly nothing to absorb the impact and not only did my frame remain intact, the body along with the body lift all survived and work as new.


As for the 31's, you will rub at full lock with stock wheel. Get wheels with a better offset and you will be fine.

edit: oh and i have been running this body lift for 8 years with no problems. I think it was a teraflex kit. could be wrong though.

jgorm 06-03-2010 04:12 PM

I'm with dejablu. I have a body lift on my current jeep, and my last jeep. Its by far the best Bang for the Buck mod there is. Just keep it under 1.25" max.

mrcarcrazy 06-03-2010 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jskinn27 (Post 643257)
body lifts can mess your shit up, nuff said.

Not nearly as badly, or as fast as ignorance

Dejablu311 06-03-2010 04:24 PM

^;)

cavediverjc 06-03-2010 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mrcarcrazy (Post 643298)
Not nearly as badly, or as fast as ignorance

:rofl: So very true. There is nothing wrong with a small body lift. Installed correctly, it will add the ability to add slightly larger tires (more ground clearance), a tummy tuck (more ground clearance), a motor mount lift (less vibes), smaller bumpstops (more room to flex), etc......see where I'm going with this?

It's cheap lift as long as it's done correctly.

Indy 06-03-2010 04:39 PM

BL is good (not more than about an inch) for more clearance without affecting your flex.

For example: If your tires rub a little at full flex, there's only two ways to stop it:
1. Longer bump stops (reduces your flex).
2. Little bit of BL (does not affect your flex) :)

InfernoGirl 06-03-2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dejablu311 (Post 643284)

As for the 31's, you will rub at full lock with stock wheel. Get wheels with a better BACKSPACE and you will be fine.


Fixed it for you! :)

I ran 31x10.5's on my Canyons for a year with no rubbing, depends how wide your tires actually run, and the backspacing on the wheels you are running. You won't rub the flares, just possibly the control arms in the front. That can be easily remedied by adding a washer or two to the steering stops.

Geoff@Bestop 06-03-2010 05:24 PM

Not to pile on, but:

Body lifts got a bad reputation because they got abused. There's nothing wrong with sensible body lifts.

Geoff@Bestop 06-03-2010 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by InfernoGirl (Post 643348)
Fixed it for you! :)

I ran 31x10.5's on my Canyons for a year with no rubbing, depends how wide your tires actually run, and the backspacing on the wheels you are running. You won't rub the flares, just possibly the control arms in the front. That can be easily remedied by adding a washer or two to the steering stops.

Question: why would extra wide tires rub more on the control arms? It seems that all that extra width is on the outside. I mean, a 10" tire is as close to the frame as a 12" tire, right? And goes as far forward and backwards. (I'm assuming the same size diameter, and same wheels).

Seriously: wouldn't all the extra width just impact things on the outboard side?
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Dejablu311 06-03-2010 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by InfernoGirl (Post 643348)
Fixed it for you! :)

Thats what i get for never proof reading.:doh:

Dejablu311 06-03-2010 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff@Bestop (Post 643360)
Question: why would extra wide tires rub more on the control arms? It seems that all that extra width is on the outside. I mean, a 10" tire is as close to the frame as a 12" tire, right? And goes as far forward and backwards. (I'm assuming the same size diameter, and same wheels).

Seriously: wouldn't all the extra width just impact things on the outboard side?
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Maybe I am missing the question but if you start with a 8 inch tire and then go to a 10 inch tire there will be an extra inch on both the inside and the outside. Center line of the tire will stay with the center line of the wheel.

drivebytruckerz 06-03-2010 06:07 PM

In this particular person's situation though... only wanting 31's.. (which, like I said, I run with no lift on stock wheels with no problem).. isn't a $200.00 budget suspension lift the best all around decision?

cavediverjc 06-03-2010 06:21 PM

There are people out there that WILL say otherwise, but a BB DOES affect ride quality. At least in my experience it does. I'm not against a BB, in fact I had one on my Jeep for almost a year before replacing my suspension, but a BL won't affect your ride. Granted, a BB will net you 2" of lift while a sensible BL will only get you 1-1.25" of lift. I guess it's all about how/where you're going to do most of your driving. A BB and a 1-1.25" BL and 31's is a great combination. There is room to flex when disco'ed and the overall look of your Jeep will improve with the added upgrade in suspension. Just get good shocks when using a BB, it'll make life a lot easier on your bum.

stevens243 06-03-2010 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff@Bestop (Post 643360)
Question: why would extra wide tires rub more on the control arms? It seems that all that extra width is on the outside. I mean, a 10" tire is as close to the frame as a 12" tire, right? And goes as far forward and backwards. (I'm assuming the same size diameter, and same wheels).

Seriously: wouldn't all the extra width just impact things on the outboard side?
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The quickest way to explain it is: for every action, an equal and opposite reaction.

The wider tires and only half wider on the outer. The inner half is also wider. So when you crank the wheel to the stop, the tire will hit (or I should say, depending on lift/tire/backspacing, may) rub on the control arm.

You can either get a wheel with less backspacing which will put the entire wheel further away from the body/frame of the jeep, buy wheel spacers or extend the stops with washers (or longer bump stops) so that the wheels will hit them before they hit the CA's.

All that said, I agree with everyone that stated 1" to 1.25 BL's are a good solution to many situations. Much more than that, and you will start departing the positives and head into the negatives of a BL. When you need more than 1" or so, get a BB if $ is an issue.

McGridDLe 06-03-2010 06:41 PM

personally not a fan of body lifts but I have nothing against a 1-1.25" BL that will actually serve a purpose. But any bigger than that and you get the extremely noticable gap between the tub and the bumper, and I can't stand it.

Tarby 06-03-2010 07:10 PM

I have a 1 inch body lift on my '72 CJ5. Great for me-lot of frame flex with the old iron...My wife's TJ, I put the Skyjacker 2 in. spacer lift with nitro shocks. I put 30x9.5x15 on her ride, and have PLENTY of room for 31's. It only took an hour and a half to put the lift in, I would think it would be more involved with the body lift. I like less wrench time...just my opinion, little more price than body lift, but I'm happy with it and so is she. [IMG]http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/s...Springs005.jpg[/IMG]

browneisthenewblack 06-03-2010 07:58 PM

Thanks for all the feedback!

A lot of really good info. I think what i'll try for now is are some 31x10.5 tires and maybe some wheels with less backspacing and see how they feel. Most people sound like there will be little to no rubbing in this situation.

if need be, i will probably go for a small suspension lift. There seems to be some controversy over a BL over one inch, but none at all over a suspension lift.

Again, thanks a lot for the help.

Dejablu311 06-04-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by browneisthenewblack (Post 643484)
Thanks for all the feedback!

A lot of really good info. I think what i'll try for now is are some 31x10.5 tires and maybe some wheels with less backspacing and see how they feel. Most people sound like there will be little to no rubbing in this situation.

if need be, i will probably go for a small suspension lift. There seems to be some controversy over a BL over one inch, but none at all over a suspension lift.

Again, thanks a lot for the help.

just be warned. Even with just a 2" BB i started to get a little drive train vibration. its different for everyone though. Most don't get the vibration until they go to 3".

ddjeeper 09-24-2012 09:04 PM

I"m looking to buy a 4" zone suspension lift, but i learned i would need a sye and cv drive shaft. thats going to cost about $530 for the lift and about $500 for the sye and cv shaft. I'm only a junior in high school and that's way out of my price range. But I learned that the 4.25 zone combo kit does not require the sye kit or cv shaft. Its a 3" suspension and a 1.25" body lift. I've always been told to stay away from body lifts but I've also heard that there is nothing wrong with them. What do you guys, or galls think?

DarthLEGO 09-25-2012 04:26 PM

Speaking of spacing... Anyone know the backspacing on stock rims? I am going to be upgrading rims and tires to 33s. But can't do the full lift right now.

So I am trying to see if I will help offset the potential rubbing for the time being with better spacing on the new rims. Or have to get a full set of spacers.

And thanks for all the info about the BL. I was going to go that route if I needed to take care of things before actually getting a suspension upgrade.

Thanks again!

LukeEC 10-16-2013 03:02 PM

I would get a 1" BL so I can wash out the frame by the skid plate area. I'm real particular about cleaning my frame and the extra clearance prevents dirt from trapping

Ironhead Jed 10-16-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by browneisthenewblack (Post 643484)
Thanks for all the feedback!

A lot of really good info. I think what i'll try for now is are some 31x10.5 tires and maybe some wheels with less backspacing and see how they feel. Most people sound like there will be little to no rubbing in this situation.

if need be, i will probably go for a small suspension lift. There seems to be some controversy over a BL over one inch, but none at all over a suspension lift.

Again, thanks a lot for the help.

you can run 31x10.5 on a stock jeep by just adding a washer to each steering stop.

I agree that there are many advantages to a small (1"-1.25") BL. many have been stated already, but they also give a small gap between the body and frame which is handy for getting at certain bolts and for washing off mud

the only thing a small BL messes up is the TC shifter linkage, which is a joke to begin with. you can use the bracket that comes with the BL kit or you can grab a novak shifter cable. they arent dirt cheap but well worth the price IMO


hahaha, just noticed this thread is 3 years old, hope all went well

djmones 03-19-2014 07:57 AM

Suspension is better, ditch the body lift
 
Scratch the body lift, its just for show. In short, putting a body lift to think it will make you capable off-road is like being a kid on a bicycle and putting a playing card between your spokes to think you have a motorcycle.

And don't worry about rubbing......its a Jeep....they can take it. Albeit you don't want wheel arches coming off or small cosmetic things like that but a Wrangler is made to be tough and not look like these Barbie Jeeps with wheel spinners and neon rail lights and if your Jeep gets a little scratch here and there its a good thing. It adds flavour, charisma and character to your Jeep plus you can make up stories on how you got this little dent here and there and how you were almost flipping over. Any true Wrangler owner's Jeep looks trail ready and trail ridden. If you ever see a guy with a Wrangler that is all show with not a fleck of dirt on it....you can bet he's got a vagina and wears pink.

IndianaBones 03-19-2014 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by djmones (Post 9163162)
Scratch the body lift, its just for show. In short, putting a body lift to think it will make you capable off-road is like being a kid on a bicycle and putting a playing card between your spokes to think you have a motorcycle.

And don't worry about rubbing......its a Jeep....they can take it. Albeit you don't want wheel arches coming off or small cosmetic things like that but a Wrangler is made to be tough and not look like these Barbie Jeeps with wheel spinners and neon rail lights and if your Jeep gets a little scratch here and there its a good thing. It adds flavour, charisma and character to your Jeep plus you can make up stories on how you got this little dent here and there and how you were almost flipping over. Any true Wrangler owner's Jeep looks trail ready and trail ridden. If you ever see a guy with a Wrangler that is all show with not a fleck of dirt on it....you can bet he's got a vagina and wears pink.

Hahahahahahaha yes!


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