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Aothman9 06-12-2010 06:36 PM

Help a TJ newb out :)
 
Hello fellow Wrangeleers,

So I've written a whole page's worth of context, but lucky me it got erased :mad:. So anyways, I've had a passion for Wranglers, and I've decided to buy one soon. I really wanted a Wrangler for a first car, but my dad decided to get me a 2010 Civic :banghead:. I just graduated High School, so I can get a different car, and I decided to go with a 2005 TJ. Here's where I need your guys help. There's a shade of blue that I saw on a Wrangler and it caught my eye. Here it is Jeep, Wragler, YJ, Blue Pictures, Jeep, Wragler, YJ, Blue Images, Jeep, Wragler, YJ, Blue Photos, Jeep, Wragler, YJ, Blue Videos - Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting I've been wondering whats the name of this shade, and can I find it on a TJ, or is it only on YJs.

So I've planed out a couple of mods to do for my baby when I get it, and I need a little bit of help on it. So here I go:

Tires, I've been looking at tires, and I found some really nice ones. Mickey Thompson Baja Claw Radial 35X13.50R20LT. What do you guys think of these tires, plus if you guys know of any better ones please let me know :).

Lift kit, since I'm getting 35" tires, a Lift kit is mandatory. Now I have no clue on what kit I should get, and how much I should lift the suspension and/or body as well. Since I'm a beginner to Wranglers I wont be taking them off road that often, So I need a kit that would be really comfortable on streets and highways.

Exhaust system, Headers, pipes, exhaust etc.. you name em', I'm not sure on what to get, though I'm looking for something loud that will make my baby growl. (please nothing that will make my car sound like a ricer)

Also, anything engine-wise, cool air intake, filters.. anything that will add HP or help the performance.

Now here comes the fun part, if you guys have any pics of any blue (same shade as in the pic) Wranglers, please post them. Also, please post pics of your current modded wranglers.

P.S If you guys think I should add anything else to the list, please tell me :).
Thanks, and don't forget, It's a jeep thing, you wouldn't understand :rolleyes:

OTP JEEP 06-12-2010 06:48 PM

I have a 2005 TJ and it's "Patriot Blue" from the factory. It's alot darker than the one in your pic. Don't know if this helps.

http://www.otpphoto.com/OTP1.jpg

Aothman9 06-12-2010 06:50 PM

Any post is considered help to me :) thanks

JDsDream 06-12-2010 06:54 PM

I believe that color was called Lapis Blue. It is very similar to the color used on the Islander.

03 RUBI 06-12-2010 06:55 PM

Make sure you have the gears to pull 35" tires or you will be very disappointed. Even a Rubicon with 4.10 gearing wouldn't work well with 35's IMO

firefighter777 06-12-2010 07:07 PM

If you wish to make your baby "growl" get spilt headers, muffler of your choice and high flow cat. anything else for your engine like air intakes, throttle body spacers would be a waste of money, jeeps are very well engineered. if you really want more horsepower get a bigger engine or regear after getting a lift, nothing else will have a very good cost/performance ratio. the exhaust work should give you more pedal. if you are not going to off road much or never why get 35's that seems silly to me. I have 33's and I rock crawl, mud, trek through the woods,etc. but if you must have 35's you will need a 5 inch lift, which is costly and NO 5 inch lift kit and 35 inch tires will be comfortable on the road especially comparing it to a civic that you have drove. As im sure you know, modding your jeep is EXTREMELY expensive. not sure how a college freshman could afford it unless you are spoiled by your parents. and in my opinion dont ask others what you should get it will be YOUR jeep. and everyone has different taste and opinions. lastly if you are buying this jeep to impress your friends or girls, get a mustang or a similar muscle car but if you really want to be a jeeper...welcome to the fourm.

InfernoGirl 06-12-2010 07:21 PM

You need to spend some time reading here. You'll find that to run 35" tires you need a D44 rear axle, gears and lots of $ for lifts. Better to look for the TJ's that are available in your area, regardless of color, and find one that has all the basics you need to build it how you want. Color is the last thing you should be worried about. If it's all that important you can always have it painted, it doesn't sound like $ is much of a problem for your parents.

Aothman9 06-12-2010 07:34 PM

so what you're saying is i need a new rear axle? also, yea color is the last thing I'm worried about, I was just asking to find out the name so I could have it painted in that color. Yea, as you said I'm not really worried about the $

Aothman9 06-12-2010 07:35 PM

Trust me, I love jeeps just as much as anyone else on this forum does. I said i wont be using it off road in the beginning, just till i get the hang of things. when you said it wont be comfortable, will it be bumpy, shaky, or vibrate?

thanks for the info on the exhaust

jskinn27 06-12-2010 07:39 PM

Firefighter777 had great advice. I also have 33s on a 4.5 in lift with 4.10 gears and I rock crawl too. 33s will do you just fine. D44 rear is pretty pricy. The guy I bought my jeep from spend a good 2k on it another 2k on the lift. 10k in total. Also look around before you jump on a buy. You can always rock 33s with a 4" lift or so for a while THEN upgrade.

InfernoGirl 06-12-2010 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aothman9 (Post 652953)
so what you're saying is i need a new rear axle?

Only if you don't buy one with a D44. D35's don't last long with 35" tires. Do your homework and you'll know what to look for, what you need, and what you want when you find it. This is not really the best time of year to shop for a Jeep. Fall and early spring are better.

firefighter777 06-12-2010 08:46 PM

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when you said it wont be comfortable, will it be bumpy, shaky, or vibrate?
all three, itll be noisy and bump you out of your seat if you hit a bump. You know just because you love jeeps doesnt mean youll love driving one. I hope you get a jeep and love it but i would be careful on lifting it that high and those big tires without ever driving one. My advice would be if you had a friend or something that was one you should test drive it. But anyway you'll find that driving a jeep wrangler is one of the best experiences you will have.

Aothman9 06-12-2010 09:19 PM

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Thanks for the info once again. The closest I've ever driven something that lifted was my friend's F350 Diesel. It was an amazing feeling driving something that high thru the highway.
Here it is:

InfernoGirl 06-12-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aothman9 (Post 653087)
Thanks for the info once again. The closest I've ever driven something that lifted was my friend's F350 Diesel. It was an amazing feeling driving something that high thru the highway.
Here it is:

Um, you're doing it wrong.... :)



A Wrangler with it's short wheelbase is going to handle much differently than an F350.... just sayin. Test drive lots of em to get a feel for them. They are unusual beasts.

Zeep 06-13-2010 07:22 AM

I believe that color of blue has not been available since '03.

dkswift 06-13-2010 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JDsDream (Post 652885)
I believe that color was called Lapis Blue. It is very similar to the color used on the Islander.

No, my 97 is/was lapis which is more of a perrywinkle/purple... gag! (she's rustoleum flat black now.)

birdhunter 06-13-2010 09:30 AM

Sorry I try to stay out of these
BUT you need to grow up
Your dad gave you a 2010 honda
poor baby.

Money not a problem ,sure its not yours

turdhurdler 06-13-2010 10:24 AM

^^^:punk::punk:

Agreed. Wish my parents even got me a car in high school. I rode the bus and saved my own money to purchase my first car.

Jeff

IndyJeepMan 06-13-2010 10:31 AM

Well before you catch anymore E-asswhoopin, you dont need all that now, if youre going to rarely wheel it.

Honestly a 2" spacer and 31's with quick disco's will get you alot of places, they only thing the 35's will help with is clearance issues and youll have a wider stance.

For what you are going to want to do offroad a near stock jeep would be just right. But what do I know? I dont have money to throw around.

Before and after, no lift. Same tires new rims and other cosmetics, mostly what I've removed over time. MAYBE a grand in it. Total appearance change. Theres some more done but its not shown.

OklaTJ 06-13-2010 11:04 AM

Go with a Super-Lift 4" for $806.99. Then, go with a Rock Ready Tie Rod and Drag Link Assembly at $136.99. Then, go with a 5 Layer Custom Brake Line for $84.99. Then, for your Baja Claws go with 33X12.50 R15LT. They are $225.99 each. Then your rims I can't tell you witch one's to get. The ones I will be getting are 112.99 each(and that is a low price range) I want to be able to use my TJ for on and off road driving that is way I am going with the 33x12.15 15's! This is only a opinion! You can see all I said at Jeep Parts, Jeep Accessories & Jeep Soft Tops From The Jeep Parts Experts - Quadratec

TJfun 06-13-2010 11:27 AM

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Here is the deal with the 35s. You will be just fine if you get a 4" lift. That is what I use and it ran me about $700+. I also installed it myself which saved $$. The problem with the tires is when they start to wear out, you will feel the death wobble. Everybody will advise of what to replace, may be wearing out, to get an alignment, and so on. So far I found that rotating the tires as one should helps a bunch. My neighbor, however, runs 33s on his YJ and hasn't had any trouble yet. We both run BFG mud terrains but I'm thinking of trying Goodyear MTRs next but I like to play in the hills and on the rocks a bunch.

As everyone else mentioned though, take your time and spend your money slowly and wisely. Do a bunch of research on an item and talk to a bunch of folks like you just have. That will save you a LOT of money.

Jerry Bransford 06-13-2010 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by firefighter777 (Post 653061)
it'll be noisy and bump you out of your seat if you hit a bump.

Built properly with the right shocks, it won't be either of those. I've had two TJs, both well built. Both ride fine on 35" tires and other than the tires, aren't noisy other than the soft top at times.

McGridDLe 06-13-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by turdhurdler (Post 653607)
^^^:punk::punk:

Agreed. Wish my parents even got me a car in high school. I rode the bus and saved my own money to purchase my first car.

Jeff

thats exactly why my first car was a $500 73' Nova that was falling to pieces! haha.

but like everyone is saying, do some serious research before you set your mind on anything.. personally I would say if your not going to wheel it then settle for 33's and don't worry about new axels and re-gearing.. that would be a ton of money that would really go to waste if the only reason you had it was for regular driving.. but that is just my opinion.. It's your jeep, do to it as you see fit, but have fun with it! make it your own :)

KBR97 06-13-2010 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OklaTJ (Post 653633)
Go with a Super-Lift 4" for $806.99. Then, go with a Rock Ready Tie Rod and Drag Link Assembly at $136.99. Then, go with a 5 Layer Custom Brake Line for $84.99. Then, for your Baja Claws go with 33X12.50 R15LT. They are $225.99 each. Then your rims I can't tell you witch one's to get. The ones I will be getting are 112.99 each(and that is a low price range) I want to be able to use my TJ for on and off road driving that is way I am going with the 33x12.15 15's! This is only a opinion! You can see all I said at Jeep Parts, Jeep Accessories & Jeep Soft Tops From The Jeep Parts Experts - Quadratec

and dont forget the SYE kit and new CV driveshaft...about another $400.


To the original poster...Lifting your jeep over 3" is gonna cost you alot more money, and alot more headaches and mechanical issues than you may think. A bad impression that alot of non jeep, or new jeep owners have is they you just throw in a 4" lift and huge tires and be done with it..NOT TRUE.
I think theres a fine line between the 2.5" mark and the 3" mark. Stay under 3 and you can still run 33" tires and you can go with a smaller spring lift or even a Budget Boost which is made up of coil spacers and new shocks. I personally think that is the best way to go for someone who doesnt plan to do much offroading, if any at all.

Once you go over 3" and start getting up to 35" tires...thats when you may start needing things like extended brake lines, adjustable track bars, possibly replacing control arms with adjustable ones, sye kits for the transfer case, expensive driveshafts, bigger gears in the differentials and heavy duty axles for the bigger tires. The taller and bigger you go, the taller and bigger your pile of parts receipts get.

For someone like you who's just in college and probably not gonna be doing any offroading, I would go with a budget boost coil spacer lift and some 32 or 33" tires and leave it at that. If you actually get into wheeling your jeep..then you could start upgrading to better or bigger parts that are required for what your doing with the jeep.


Theres the "right way" to do things, the "wrong way" to do things and then there is the "half assed" way to do things...

jskinn27 06-13-2010 11:56 AM

hah my fist car was a beat up 91 chevy s10, then i bought my 97 tj sport for 8k about 2 months ago. loooovee it. anyway driving that diesel was probably a smooth ride, wranglers are anything but. theyre rough you feel every bump, but youll love that once you start driving one. once you find a jeep you want, wait..because once you buy your jeep youll find the most perfect one for you. happens everyone.

turdhurdler 06-13-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by McGridDLe (Post 653657)
thats exactly why my first car was a $500 73' Nova that was falling to pieces! haha.

but like everyone is saying, do some serious research before you set your mind on anything.. personally I would say if your not going to wheel it then settle for 33's and don't worry about new axels and re-gearing.. that would be a ton of money that would really go to waste if the only reason you had it was for regular driving.. but that is just my opinion.. It's your jeep, do to it as you see fit, but have fun with it! make it your own :)

Haha. My first car was a '60 VW Bug. Always working on that dumb thing. Electrical was looking like spagetti, motor leaked oil, interior was worn, but the Bug was a fun car to drive. Loved the car, but not the hassle of keeping it going.

Jeff

Unlimited 06-13-2010 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 653653)
Built properly with the right shocks, it won't be either of those. I've had two TJs, both well built. Both ride fine on 35" tires and other than the tires, aren't noisy other than the soft top at times.

I'm with Jerry..... If its riding that rough and is uncomfortable to drive, its built wrong.

gus54 06-13-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Aothman9 (Post 652953)
Yea, as you said I'm not really worried about the $

Well then...I suggest you build a LCG (Low center of Gravity) Wrangler something like this - start out with an '05 or '06 Unlimited:

1. Dynatrac Pro-Rock Dana 60 axles locked with ARB air lockers, Eaton E-Lockers, or Ox Lockers front and rear
2. 2 1/2" Old Man Emu suspension lift
3. 1 1/4" JKS Body Lift 1"motor mount lift
4. Slip yoke eliminator and cv drive shaft (Tom Woods) - (may not be necessary, but what the hell, you can afford it)
5. AEV or similar (Rokmen) Hi-line tube fenders (allows for big rubber without a lot of lift - keeps you stable on off camber stuff)
6. Rear corner armor with stryker bars (comp cut optional) (flush the tail lights with 4" LEDs)
7. Rokmen belly up skid (engine and t-case) and gas tank skid
8. 37" - 40" Goodyear MTRs with Kevlar and Walker Evans aluminum beadlock wheels (35s are so yesterday)
9. Rokmen upper and lower front and rear control arms (most expensive on the market, but worth every penny)
10. Currie steering (best there is)
11. Vanco big brake kit (only if you plan on stopping)
12. Rokmen Mercenary bumpers, rocker guards
13. Warn power plant winch with synthetic line
14. Steering box skid (they all work okay, and unfortunately they are pretty cheap)
15. Full roll cage
16. Premium sound system so you can rock your tunes on the trail
17. Uniden CB and Firestix or Wilson antenna
18. Tear out the carpet and have the entire interior sprayed professionally by Line-x or Rhino (you could just roll on Herculiner but that's so much cheaper)
19. Oh yeah - Currie anti rock sway bar

I'm sure I missed a few things, but this should get you started toward a pretty kick ass Jeep.

Here's a link: Rokmen Gear Up....Rok On - talk to these guys - they are very helpful and I'm sure they won't mind taking your parents money.

And Welcome to WF!

(I'm just messin' with ya - it's my job here) :D

OklaTJ 06-13-2010 02:21 PM

Wilson antenna is easier to set the SWR's If you get the wip One!

SurfNaked2010 06-15-2010 10:02 AM

Im in the process of creating a High School/College Budget (reliable) build thread to run 35's with 6" of lift. ill PM you when i finish it.http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._4927543_n.jpg
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