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kg4kpg 01-20-2007 11:07 PM

Iraq
 
Well, I've been thinking about it a lot so I finally submitted my application to KBR to go back to Iraq. Of course I have to get hired first but I don't think that will be a problem. I know I would be going sometime in the next year anyway, at least this way I have some control over what I do there and make a hell of a lot more money. 100K for one year speaks a lot with the bills I have. So, anyone want to go with?! :cool:

amerijeep 01-20-2007 11:12 PM

Nope.

Texapple 01-20-2007 11:41 PM

I was reading about this on another Jeep forum (not as good as WF of course ;) ).....I don't know enough about the subject to have a personal opinion, but they were talking about the dangers (which I know you are well aware of).

I'm sure you have gave this the utmost thought & reflection while making your decision to go.
Good luck.

amerijeep 01-20-2007 11:44 PM

You know, Kat, I haven't read another Jeep forum since April of 2005. Are there others still out there?

Geeps 01-20-2007 11:45 PM

I'll pass.

SportsGal501 01-21-2007 04:24 AM

Nah............I think I'll pass to..........

100k sounds good if you make it back home -things to consider:

1)Not get kidnapped-:eek:
2)Come back with all your limbs-:mad:
3)Come back...........period-:(

Alot could happen over there within a year

skeeter 01-21-2007 08:01 AM

I've seriously considered it with our financial problems the money is incredibly tempting, unfortunately one of our good freinds went over with KBR as a tanker yanker and came back with some really disturbing stories.
I'm still tempted but I doubt Amy would let me and I'm not sure I could handle being in a war zone without a weapon.
If you go I wish you all the luck in the world my freind and you have my utmost respect.

activelydying 01-21-2007 09:55 AM

what is a KBR?

tiny terror 01-21-2007 10:02 AM

God, Chris, is the money really worth it? If you get it, which I'm assuming you will, take care. I hope there's something deeper than the money.


(I'm going to stay here, thanks for the invite :D)

nicolas-eric 01-21-2007 10:02 AM

100k for a year is very good i think.

but think about the +3000 killed and +20.000 wounded US people.

for me it´s too much risk. i wouldn´t go there.

chucky cheese 01-21-2007 10:52 AM

is that 100k tax free? do youy get to arm yourself?

amy 01-21-2007 12:04 PM

Not sure about the taxes but, no, you don't get to arm yourself at all.

activelydying 01-21-2007 12:44 PM

i'll try again:

what is a KBR

amy 01-21-2007 12:54 PM

Oh, sorry, AD. KBR is a civilian contractor that takes care of a lot of things for the military in Iraq. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellogg,_Brown_and_Root

The people we know who worked for KBR drove trucks but KBR handles more than that, I believe.

activelydying 01-21-2007 12:58 PM

thank you amy :)

by the way, do you and skeeter fight over who gets to go on the forum.

amy 01-21-2007 01:05 PM

Nah, if we both want to be on WF at the same time, one of us uses our daughter's computer. Otherwise, we take turns. :)

amy 01-21-2007 01:08 PM

kg4kpg, if you go, I wish you the best of luck and a safe, speedy return.

SportsGal501 01-21-2007 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amy (Post 47565)
Oh, sorry, AD. KBR is a civilian contractor that takes care of a lot of things for the military in Iraq. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellogg,_Brown_and_Root

The people we know who worked for KBR drove trucks but KBR handles more than that, I believe.

You know they had a video clip(NBC news)of an convoy of KBR's following the U.S Army convoy.

Bullets,roadside bomb happened within minutes.One KBR truck was hit,flipped over and the one following behind,
either the tires blew out or he couldn't move the truck for one reason or another.The poor driver was dam near in hysteria,no weapon....he's screaming he didn't want to die,but because of a miracle....he made it out.But you can tell he was scared sh*tless.......no doubt.The Army convoy looked like they sped up when the sh*t hit the fan,and being in the Army.When bullets,RPGs and bombs start a blasting.....you start a running.

Basically the motto is if you see the bomb squad running you better be right besides them.:eek:

amy 01-21-2007 03:45 PM

I saw that video too. Wow, I don't blame him for being scared.

skeeter 01-21-2007 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolas-eric (Post 47536)
100k for a year is very good i think.

but think about the +3000 killed and +20.000 wounded US people.

for me it´s too much risk. i wouldn´t go there.

That would be out of the 100's of thousands we've had over there over the last few years, the casulty rate is actually extremely small compared to other conflicts.

nicolas-eric 01-21-2007 06:35 PM

but it´s very much more risk than living in a normal town and working in a normal company in the US.

skeeter 01-21-2007 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chucky cheese (Post 47543)
is that 100k tax free? do youy get to arm yourself?

They aren't allowed weapons, some of the guys violate that rule but if they get caught they get kicked out.
If you stay out of the country for a full year you don't have to pay taxes for that years from what I understand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by activelydying (Post 47570)
thank you amy :)

by the way, do you and skeeter fight over who gets to go on the forum.

On the weekends it gets a little crowded but during the week I work nights.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportsGal501 (Post 47601)
You know they had a video clip(NBC news)of an convoy of KBR's following the U.S Army convoy.

Bullets,roadside bomb happened within minutes.One KBR truck was hit,flipped over and the one following behind,
either the tires blew out or he couldn't move the truck for one reason or another.The poor driver was dam near in hysteria,no weapon....he's screaming he didn't want to die,but because of a miracle....he made it out.But you can tell he was scared sh*tless.......no doubt.The Army convoy looked like they sped up when the sh*t hit the fan,and being in the Army.When bullets,RPGs and bombs start a blasting.....you start a running.

Basically the motto is if you see the bomb squad running you better be right besides them.:eek:

He survived because the Army did their job for him, what you didn't see in the video was the gun truck that moved up behind his truck and started laying down cover fire.
The Hummer in front of him that you see take off was supposed to pick up the drivers ahead of him and was ordered back into the fight after they cleared the kill zone.
Our freind had nothing but good things to say about the guys who ran escort for him, he had 2 trucks blown out from under him and they always stopped and pulled him out at great risk to themselves.

kg4kpg 01-21-2007 07:33 PM

Wow, what a discussion. KBR pretty much takes care of all food service, house keeping, and camp maintenance in Iraq and Afganistan. Plus moving food, mail and supplies around the country. Fortunately they haven't lost many contractors, the guys the lost just seemed to be all the liberal media wanted to talk about for a while. I used to escort these guys, even though they can't carry weapons, they do wear protective gear like the troops.
As far as money goes, I'm not doing it for the money. A really nice salary by any means, but I just haven't been happy since I came home from my last trip. I just feel compelled to go back. I believe in this mission heart and sole and it bugs me to be here while our boys are over there. KBR took care of me and my crew when we went, now I have a chance to help take care of the current troops, in their environment.
My job will most likely be as a Logistics Coordinator or Purchasing Agent, so I wouldn't be on the road much if a all. But when I do go outside the wire, at least I'll know what to expect and can help if and when needed. I don't expect they will need it.
Also, mark my word. We have to prepare to deal with Iran. If this situation escalates over their nuclear program and we do any bombing in their country, I firmly believe they will attack ourt troops in Iraq. I think they already have, to some degree. No matter what the democrats do, this s going to get worse before it gets better. We will see.
Oh, whoever asked...the first 80K is tax free. Taxed after that.
C'ya

donald 01-21-2007 07:45 PM

You know what you couldn't pay me enough money to go back to that place I had spent one year in Ar Ramdi Iraq and I talked and I seen alot of stuff when I was there. At least if you are a soldier you have the whole darn military backing your a** and you also have a gun I think that speaks for itself.

Mike001 01-22-2007 10:00 AM

You get me a job and I will go I get out of the Marine Corps in July.

Mike001 01-22-2007 10:02 AM

I think if the convoy came under attack we'd die with the Army tryin to retreat or something though. I say face the fire and advance.

SportsGal501 01-22-2007 03:19 PM

Never retreat..but you don't want to be bogged down,your asking to be surrounded and fired upon.So you have no choice but to keep on moving.No one is trying lose everyone,it's bad enough when you lose one or two soldiers but to lose a whole squad.....don't even want to think about that.

It's one thing if you're infantry but you have a lot of support troops(supply,cooks,mp's,engineers--->me;...etc) as my Sgt. use to say............................................... ....................
"If I wanted bullets wizzing pass my azz I would signed up 11 bravo---------infantry"

kg4kpg 01-22-2007 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike001 (Post 47983)
I think if the convoy came under attack we'd die with the Army tryin to retreat or something though. I say face the fire and advance.

I really doubt you will find any stories of soldiers running or retreating in Iraq or Afganistan. At least, not ours. Just know this, our soldiers are going to protect themselves, the people they are escorting, and when possible, the civilians caught in the area.


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