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m3t9m 07-20-2010 01:18 AM

Lifting question
 
Hello, im kinda new to the whole 4x4 off-roading community so i had a couple of questions about lifting...first of all i drive a TJ, and im thinking of doing a 6" lift but want to know the difference between the rough country X series and the rough country long arm kit...thanks

snwchris 07-20-2010 06:40 AM

Welcome and congrats on the Jeep.

I believe that one is a Short Arm system, which is typical lift and the Long Arm, has arms that bolt near mid section and helps with geometry with bigger tires.

If new to Jeeps & offroading, why the need for a 6" Lift??? Go out wheeling with you current Jeep and learn it's capabilities first. You'll be amazed at what a stock jeep can do.

Next how often do you plan to go offroading and what type of wheeling do you think you'll do... this will help you decide what kindof lift to get as well as tire size.

Chris

m3t9m 07-20-2010 03:54 PM

Haha thanks for the reply, sorry what i meant was that im new to the 4x4 community, ive gone off-roading in the dunes a couple of times back in my home country. And Ive been on a couple of trails down in WV but not rocks and what not cause I couldnt clear cause my TJ is stock height. The type of off-roading im looking at is anything except EXTREME rockcrawling, im planning on doing the same as in your picture for example, and mudding too...im trying to decide whether if i should do a 4" or a 6" lift, what would you recommend?

FREDO 4X4 07-20-2010 03:59 PM

ROCKCRAWLER.com - Rough Country 6 Inch X-Series TJ Suspension


Are you stock right now or do you already have a lift and some mods done. also there is a good review for the x-series at that link on top. And for the long arm kit well its a long arm kit and its affordable. but what snwchris was saying makes alot of since. This is my 3rd jeep and i havent lifted mine 6" yet im at 4" with 1.25 BL and thats alot. I work close to home as well if i had to drive though town everyday i would probley go down to 33's and just the 4 inch lift. Anyways keep posting lol.

m3t9m 07-20-2010 04:11 PM

I think im at stock height, i bought it used so im not sure. No mods so far except wheel spacers and a windshield decal haha, here are some pics of how it stands now:

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...m/IMG_3925.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...m/IMG_3929.jpg

like i said in the newbie page, i drive an 07 grand marquis as my DD and its heavily modded, so i plan on modding the wrangler too ;) heres a pic of the marquis:

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...m/IMG_1778.jpg


one more thing, my TJ is a 2.5L 4 cylinder with a 3 speed auto and it IS SLOW! any easy mods on getting it to wake up a bit?

Thanks ahead

FREDO 4X4 07-20-2010 04:14 PM

How much money do you plan on spending cause a 6" lift on a stock tj is going to be alot. cause you will need to change alot of parts to get that lift to work properly. jeeps are like crack once you start you cant stop.

pakman55 07-20-2010 04:15 PM

that is the only "modded" grand marquis.

There are no "easy" mods to give the 2.5 more power. Its a jeep, not going to win any races. If you get bigger tires you should regear....Use the search function of the forum...It works wonders.

FREDO 4X4 07-20-2010 04:27 PM

It looks in good shape. Im not real sure on the power increase cause i always had 4.0 and even than they are not fast kind of a slow motion rig. But i read if they have exhaust problems it drags the power down real bad.


This is my rig i need to get some better pics. This is 4" lift with 35" tires i needed to lift it another 1.25 on the body and i did a motor mount lift to and it still rubs a bit when i flex alot. maybe i will go out tonight and get some new pics.



http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/p...eeptj060-1.jpg

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/p...eeptj062-1.jpg

lancetkenyon 07-20-2010 04:56 PM

6" lift and 39s. You sure you want to go that big?

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/u...2010/055-2.jpg

schnutzy 07-20-2010 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancetkenyon (Post 695169)
6" lift and 39s. You sure you want to go that big?

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/u...2010/055-2.jpg

well when you put it that way. HELL YEAH i wana go that big :D

snwchris 07-20-2010 07:17 PM

I would recommend a 4" lift and 33's will get you pretty much anywhere and cover alot of the trails as well.

Look into the following: Teraflex, Rock Krawler or RE 4.5 kits


LANCETKENYON sweet rig... wanna trade.. LOL

lancetkenyon 07-20-2010 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schnutzy (Post 695172)
well when you put it that way. HELL YEAH i wana go that big :D

Then all it takes is deep pockets and time. :cool:
Mine has taken about 5 years so far, and I still have a couple years to go.

schnutzy 07-20-2010 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancetkenyon (Post 695596)
Then all it takes is deep pockets and time. :cool:
Mine has taken about 5 years so far, and I still have a couple years to go.

:( i have neither of those.

ESP 07-20-2010 10:32 PM

that pic of the almost baja Jeep with the 39's is insane. I'm sure his wallet isn't nearly as big as that after that mod!

m3t9m 07-20-2010 11:50 PM

hmmm how much are we talking about for a 6 inch lift? if more than 2k then i think i might go with 4 inches and 33's.

schnutzy 07-20-2010 11:54 PM

then you might want to think about a 4 inch and 33s....

the cheapest 6 inch kit ive seen is from rough county. but you need more then just the lift kit. you need things like a SYE and new driveshaft. and to handle the size and added weight of 35 inch tires, you need to upgrade your rear axle and should upgrade your steering and braking as well. because you have a 4 cylinder, you may have to up grade your front axle as well in order to be able to put the right gears in to compensate for the 35s.
the front D30 axle will only fit 4.88 gears. with the engine you have, those are recommended for 33 inch tires. they are still a little to tall for 35s, unless you want it to be even more of a snail then it already is.

basically, a 6 inch lift, and 35s invite a huge amount of problems and things that you need to upgrade.
33s do as well, but its not as much stuff to upgrade.

lancetkenyon 07-21-2010 10:36 AM

The cost goes up exponentially when you go big. The desire for big tires increases the need for big parts 10 fold. 33s requires a small lift, SYE and CV DS, gearing in the axles, and maybe chromo shafts. You go to 35s, the rear axle becomes an issue and usually needs a new one(if you have a D35), chromos are needed F/R, deep gears, bigger lift, body lift, starting to need better performing suspension and lockers to be able to utilize the full benefit of the bigger tires, and the trails start requiring a full cage to keep you safe. Go to 37s, the front D30 will not last long, even with chromos(better look for a D44, 9" or D60 front now), a rear D44 or 8.8 is marginal, even with chromos, upgrades to the t-case as soon coming, more clearance at the wheel wells means more lift or cutting/high clearance fenders, now you need a winch cause you are running hard trails, etc. Go to 39s or 40s and might as well save some serious coin and just buy a buggy. D60s F/R or better, stretch the WB, might as well do coil-overs now, HD EVERYTHING, t-case, tranny, cut the body all apart, tube it out........yeah, a never ending vicious circle of pain and torture......all to have a little fun on the weekends. Is it worth it all? Heck yeah!!!

m3t9m 07-21-2010 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancetkenyon (Post 696074)
The cost goes up exponentially when you go big. The desire for big tires increases the need for big parts 10 fold. 33s requires a small lift, SYE and CV DS, gearing in the axles, and maybe chromo shafts. You go to 35s, the rear axle becomes an issue and usually needs a new one(if you have a D35), chromos are needed F/R, deep gears, bigger lift, body lift, starting to need better performing suspension and lockers to be able to utilize the full benefit of the bigger tires, and the trails start requiring a full cage to keep you safe. Go to 37s, the front D30 will not last long, even with chromos(better look for a D44, 9" or D60 front now), a rear D44 or 8.8 is marginal, even with chromos, upgrades to the t-case as soon coming, more clearance at the wheel wells means more lift or cutting/high clearance fenders, now you need a winch cause you are running hard trails, etc. Go to 39s or 40s and might as well save some serious coin and just buy a buggy. D60s F/R or better, stretch the WB, might as well do coil-overs now, HD EVERYTHING, t-case, tranny, cut the body all apart, tube it out........yeah, a never ending vicious circle of pain and torture......all to have a little fun on the weekends. Is it worth it all? Heck yeah!!!

whaaaat?! do i really need an SYE, CV DS, gearing, and chromo shafts for 33" tires and a 4" lift? :confused:

InfernoGirl 07-21-2010 11:05 PM

You really need the SYE and CV for 4" lift. For 33's you need at least 3" of lift, more is better for offroad, and gearing may be an issue for you. It may not, it depends on what you expect.

I'll put it this way, if you don't do all the things suggested to run a big (4"+) lift, then you end up like so many others, asking why is my Jeep so crappy on the road? How do I fix my ride? What's this vibration? Etc.......

m3t9m 07-21-2010 11:13 PM

haha im still a n0000b, can anyone please explain what a SYE, CV/DS is and where I can purchase it from. Thanks :D

FREDO 4X4 07-22-2010 06:17 AM

SYE = Slip yoke elimanator

CV DS = constent velocity drive shaft

You will need these cause when you lift your jeep that high your drive line geometry will be off causing vibrations in the rear shaft. You should be able to find lots of info on these by doing searchs. cause im not sure where the best deals are. I think tom woods is the best for cv ds thou.

Kate 07-22-2010 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m3t9m (Post 694222)
Hello, im kinda new to the whole 4x4 off-roading community so i had a couple of questions about lifting...first of all i drive a TJ, and im thinking of doing a 6" lift but want to know the difference between the rough country X series and the rough country long arm kit...thanks

Hi!

Here's what you do.
Pick up the phone and call Rough Country. Ask for Joey. He's the rep for our club. (Midsouth Jeeps)
He is a GREAT guy and will give you good solid information, explain the differences to you and help you determine what might be the right way to go.

IF they had it back when I bought my 4" RCX kit, I would have gone with the long arm. When i was up at their offices last time I got to see it in person and it looks GOOD! As soon as my money tree blooms again, I will prolly be upgrading to it.

Just curious, why do you want to go 6"?
Makes it kinda long legged on the trails.
Lower center of gravity = better stability

lancetkenyon 07-22-2010 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m3t9m (Post 697019)
whaaaat?! do i really need an SYE, CV DS, gearing, and chromo shafts for 33" tires and a 4" lift? :confused:

Absolutely. Drive line vibes are not only annoying, but will cause failure with your t-case.

Depends on what you do with your rig and what is currently has for axles. If you have a D35 rear axle(which I bet you do, and guarantee if you have a 4 popper), you should seriously consider getting the Superior Super D35 kit to keep the shafts alive for long. If you wheel(which sounds like you want to), or want to be able to use 5th gear(if it is a stick), you WILL want to re-gear the axles. The loss of power will be horrible, especially with a 4 popper motor(which I am pretty sure is what you have).

A few more specs on your rig would help. Like motor, tranny, axles, etc.

m3t9m 07-22-2010 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancetkenyon (Post 697320)
Absolutely. Drive line vibes are not only annoying, but will cause failure with your t-case.

Depends on what you do with your rig and what is currently has for axles. If you have a D35 rear axle(which I bet you do, and guarantee if you have a 4 popper), you should seriously consider getting the Superior Super D35 kit to keep the shafts alive for long. If you wheel(which sounds like you want to), or want to be able to use 5th gear(if it is a stick), you WILL want to re-gear the axles. The loss of power will be horrible, especially with a 4 popper motor(which I am pretty sure is what you have).

A few more specs on your rig would help. Like motor, tranny, axles, etc.

Motors a 2.5L 4 banger, trannys a 3 speed auto, dont know about the axles i think their stock...what gears would you recommend for that? thanks again for all your help

m3t9m 07-22-2010 05:27 PM

Also, what do you guys think about this lift kit: Jeep TJ Suspension Lift ?

snwchris 07-22-2010 08:12 PM

I've heard alot of people complain about the ride of the Rough Country kits. If I remeber correctly mabe their newer ones might ride better, but not sure.

I would look at Teraflex, Rock Krawler, OME or Rubicon Express before buying a RC kit.

RC kits tend to be on the cheap side for a reason.

Have you read thru the "Lift Review" sticky at the top yet.... you should there's alot of good feed back in there as well as pics

Chris

m3t9m 07-22-2010 10:44 PM

man all those kits cost $1000+ :( im looking for something for 500-700 max...the only thing i found was the rough country kit (which i read bad reviews about) and a skyjacker kit, what do you guys think about skyjacker? or anything else you may recommend

schnutzy 07-22-2010 10:46 PM

try this one, it seems to get good reviews.

4" TJ Suspension System

lancetkenyon 07-23-2010 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m3t9m (Post 697796)
Motors a 2.5L 4 banger, trannys a 3 speed auto, dont know about the axles i think their stock...what gears would you recommend for that? thanks again for all your help

My personal opinion:
4.88 R&P with 33s and a 4 popper with an auto(or a 5 spd).

You have a D30 front axle, and a D35 rear axle.

lancetkenyon 07-23-2010 03:46 PM

Basic kit.

Rock Krawler Catalog

Better.

Rock Krawler Catalog

More better.

Rock Krawler Catalog

Even MORE better.

Rock Krawler Catalog

Best.

Rock Krawler Catalog

OK, there are even better kits, but for the lift height you want, these are a great start.


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