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adawg38 07-29-2010 08:29 AM

Lookin for Jerry Brandsford on a DW issue!
 
Alright I had a 2" BB with 31's(they have about 40% tread life). The jeep was in an accident and all front suspension parts were replaced including the front axle housing. Everything was good! I put a RC 3.25" complete lift on there with TC drop, steering stabalizer, rear trac bar relocator, relocated the front trac bar and it was fine for a couple days then I got DW bad! 43mph+. Wheels are all balanced and everthing is tight. I found my front trac bar was loose with about 1/2" of play for the bolt so I retightened it. I hit DW over 60mph on a large bump. I replaced the front trac bar bushing and it didn't do any better. I noticed by relocating the front trac bar my axle isn't even but if I put it back into its original position it's fine. The alignment was done buy a regular shop not a 4x4 shop. Any advice? I'm leaning towards a new adjustable front trac bar but got to get $$$ rounded up. Could the stock one just be going bad at the ball joint? It's an 06 with 46k on it by the way.

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4Jeepn 07-29-2010 08:37 AM

when you say relocated.. trac bar.. axle end or frame end? You need to get a adj one in the asap. In the mean time.. try move tires around and see if that helps.

snwchris 07-29-2010 08:53 AM

X2 on the Adj Trackbar.... it's never a good idea to do the relocating hole or position, it's a cheap way to get by, but in the end it causes more issues.

MR.CLIFFORD 07-29-2010 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by adawg38 (Post 705129)
Any advice?

I looked at my user name and it didn't say Jerry Bransford.

InfernoGirl 07-29-2010 09:16 AM

I'm sure he would have asked for your help, Mr. C, but you haven't been around much lately....

And having said that, Jerry hasn't been here much lately, but you have been here more..... You are really the same person aren't you? :rofl:

MR.CLIFFORD 07-29-2010 09:17 AM

I'm gonna guess Jerry will take offense to that. :rofl:

mrcarcrazy 07-29-2010 09:30 AM

:rofl::rofl:read my mind.
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Originally Posted by MR.CLIFFORD (Post 705178)
I looked at my user name and it didn't say Jerry Bransford.


rrich 07-29-2010 12:01 PM

"""""I found my front trac bar was loose with about 1/2" of play for the bolt so I retightened it."""""

You said you relocated the front trackbar - by drilling another hole? The 1/2" of play, was it at the new hole or at the ball joint end?
If it was at the ball end, there's no fixing it, replace it.

If you are still using the original hole on the axle end, remove the bolt, pull the TB down out of the way, put the bolt back in. IT HAS TO BE A SNUG FIT! Front and rear holes.

The holes get warbled out. Some say to tighten it, that may work for a few miles, but it'll do it again.

If you redrilled the hole, check it too - if it's not a snug fit on the bolt you will get DW.

If the hole is elongated, the only real cure is to weld up the hole then redrill it. Adding a 3/16 - 1/4 gusset plate in front helps too - watch that you still have clearance to the tie rod.
The problem is you can only get to the front hole to repair it, the rear hole gets worn too.

With lots of work, you can replace the entire axle bracket - I think RE sells them..

adawg38 07-29-2010 01:04 PM

The bolt was loose before I relocated it. I tried tightening and it went from any bump at 43mph+ to any big bump over 60mph+. I relocated it 3/4" towards the driversside at the axle end like RC reccommended and replaced the bushing with no improovement. With relocating it it shifted my axle off 3/4" but it was centered I jus wanted to c if it helped because I had some1 tell me that I needed to do it. sorry MR CLIFFORD I just asked for Jerry cause he's one of the guys I've seen who knows his stuff but any1 who knows what they're talking about is more than welcome to give me advice. Yes also when I relocated it I drilled a new hole. I'm guessing when I replaced the Trac Bar bushing since it was so rusted the Body Shop did NOT replace it and when wrecked the axle was pushed up and back breaking the TC in half that's why I am curious if the bar is possibly screwed up at the ball joint end.

adawg38 07-29-2010 01:08 PM

The axle was centered before relocation so I would like to set it back. I did say I had a regular Alignment shop align it and people have told me a good alignment fixed their DW so what about that? Should I try a 4x4 shop for an alignment?

Jerry Bransford 07-29-2010 01:49 PM

You already got some excellent advice above so here's just a little more input. Something is probably still loose in the front end and even though you did say the tires are balanced, odds are the tires aren't really balanced well enough. The usual causes of DW are:

1) Imperfectly balanced tires. The bigger the tire, the more that perfection in tire balance is required because bigger tires have more mass to effect the front end more. Many tire shops only balance tires to "good enough" which for a TJ with big tires, isn't good enough.

2) Something loose in the front end. Get a friend to start the engine and turn your steering wheel back and forth while you watch the steering components for something moving that should not be. It could be a loose trackbar, bad ball joints, a bad bushing, wallowed out mounting bolt hole, etc.

3) Alignment is possibly a contributor but usually it's not the root cause of DW. A bad toe-in setting can encourage DW however.

And who is this Brandsford fellow. ;)

530ktm 07-29-2010 02:13 PM

And who is this Brandsford fellow. :rofl:

mrcarcrazy 07-29-2010 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 530ktm (Post 705466)
And who is this Brandsford fellow. :rofl:

Some Say he's older than Dirt, others that he can walk on water. All we know is...We call him the stig!

Oh wait, wrong guy....We call him Jerry B.:rofl:

(I'm bored, it may not be funny to you, but rest assured I'm laughing my ass off right now):flipoff:

Coyote_94YJ 07-29-2010 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrcarcrazy (Post 705567)
Some Say he's older than Dirt, others that he can walk on water. All we know is...We call him the stig!

Oh wait, wrong guy....We call him Jerry B.:rofl:

(I'm bored, it may not be funny to you, but rest assured I'm laughing my ass off right now):flipoff:

:rofl: Oh it's funny alright.

MR.CLIFFORD 07-29-2010 07:17 PM

I am The Sti....Rubens Barrichello

InfernoGirl 07-29-2010 07:29 PM

Dang it you guys, makin' me google stuff....:bottom: Googling makes my blond brain hurt :)

Jerry Bransford 07-29-2010 07:30 PM

Heh me too, I had no idea who The Stig was until I did that. :D

Coyote_94YJ 07-29-2010 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MR.CLIFFORD (Post 705844)
I am The Sti....Rubens Barrichello

:rofl: That is funny.
I didn't much care for last Sundays episode. The second half was like a Ayrton Senna documentary. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 705861)
Heh me too, I had no idea who The Stig was until I did that. :D

:eek: Really, Jerry?!?

adawg38 07-29-2010 09:50 PM

And who is this Brandsford fellow. ;)[/QUOTE]

Yeah sorry bout that! Glad to see everyones got a good sense of humor. I do appreciate all the input from everyone.:crash:

I did find a couple bad tires by switching them around, I was hoping to get to the end of summer before I got 32's

adawg38 08-06-2010 07:01 PM

Hey guys! So I got my buddy to start up my Jeep and turn the steering wheel side to side. I noticed the ball joint side of my trac bar where it mounts to the frame slides side to side like grinding teeth and makes a clunking sound. the bolt of the trac bar slides side to side in the mounting hole WTF? I'm going make a safe guess this is my issue? So my question being now am I screwed or if I get an adjustable that eliminates the ball joint will it still work to use the mount welded to the frame?

MR.CLIFFORD 08-06-2010 07:02 PM

Better wait for Jerry on this one. :flipoff:

Jerry Bransford 08-06-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by adawg38 (Post 714880)
Hey guys! So I got my buddy to start up my Jeep and turn the steering wheel side to side. I noticed the ball joint side of my trac bar where it mounts to the frame slides side to side like grinding teeth and makes a clunking sound. the bolt of the trac bar slides side to side in the mounting hole WTF? I'm going make a safe guess this is my issue? So my question being now am I screwed or if I get an adjustable that eliminates the ball joint will it still work to use the mount welded to the frame?

The driver's side track bar mount shouldn't move at all like that so that is definitely bad. The passenger side shouldn't move either but that could either be just a bad/worn bushing in the track bar, and/or it could be the passenger-side mounting bolt hole is wallowed out.

So at the least, it sounds like you need a new track bar unless you can replace the track bar's rod-end on the driver's side, though it probably needs a bushing at the passenger-side too.

And if the passenger-side track bar mounting bolt hole is wallowed out (no longer round, allowing the bolt to move side-to-side), that needs to be fixed. Some re-drill the elongated mounting bolt hole and track bar bushing larger to accept a larger diameter bolt. Others weld a new front piece in place over the bracket hole that has the right size hole in it, or they might even weld a good heavy-duty hardened washer with the right bolt size hole in it over the wallowed out hole.

At least you found a moving track bar, I hope that is all that is wrong as that is fairly easily fixed. :)

MR.CLIFFORD 08-06-2010 07:22 PM

I can't believe we had to wait over 15 minutes. :D

adawg38 08-06-2010 07:46 PM

The bushing on the passenger side I replaced like 2 weeks or so back but I do think the hole may be wallowed out it does move just ever so slightly. At the ball joint end how would you fix that? I believe it's tight enough with the cotter pin in it but maybe not? I know I need a new trac bar but want to make sure my mounting holes are obviously fixed first. I appreciate it Jerry.

Jerry Bransford 08-06-2010 07:49 PM

Probably the only way to fix the ball joint end, if the big nut is tight, is to replace the entire end-joint. Hopefully the manufacturer sells those separately if it's a decent quality brand track bar.

You're definitely going to have to fix that wallowed out hole on the passenger side. Any small welding shop can quickly take care of it if you can't drill the bushing bigger to accept a larger diameter bolt size.

adawg38 08-06-2010 09:24 PM

the ball joint side is good, I didn't have it tight enough #$%^! The pass side still moves so tommorow I'm going to try and drill it out and use a bigger bolt.

adawg38 08-07-2010 02:13 PM

I got that trac bar issue all squared away and it helped about 50/50 from where it was before. I completely checked the front end and made sure everything was tight and it is. The only thing left to think of is my tires. They must be 35% by now and they are uneven as hell but unfortunatley I can't afford new ones until the end of summer. I also got the RC sway bar quick dissconnect, they are tight also but I am just curious if this can cause any issues. I could install my extended sway bar links from the kit if I need to.

adawg38 08-29-2010 11:33 AM

Was able to get me some tires earlier than I thought. I stuck with the 31's for now until I can do a few other things with my axles and may try 33's down the road. I went with MT's this time. NO more DW at all! At least all the pin pointing wasn't costly just time consuming, but thanks guys for the help and advice.

:blunt: Now it's time to relax and enjoy my Jeep again!


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