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bkaser 02-08-2007 06:39 PM

1999 Wrangler: no rear brakes
 
My 1999 Wrangler, 6 Cyl, automatic, ordinary power brakes (no ABS) has virtually no rear braking force. I have only owned it for about 5,000 miles. Since winter hit, I have found that the rear brakes are completely nonfunctional. I cannot lock up the rear wheels even on the most icy roads, even standing on the pedal. That means that the fronts lock up all the time and the rears keep rolling. No malfunction lights, no leaking fluid. On snow, I can hold the car with the front wheels and even at idle the engine will turn one or another of the rears. REALLY DANGEROUS.

The dealer has: Bled everything, replaced the proportioner valve, replaced the master cylinder, replaced a flex hose that links the body and axle portions of the lines, measured the shoes and drums, and put "different springs" on the shoes, though he did not say which springs, or why stronger ones would make the shoes expand better. The Chrysler telephone tech people told the dealer that that is the way the car is, which I don't believe (tech, not the dealer).The pedal feel is the same as always, just a little spongy, which I think must be normal, given all the fluid bleeding that has gone on. The handbrake works normally. I am up to $700 in dealer chargesand I still cannot drive the car on slick roads... And should not drive it at all. I can't understand what is so complicated. Years ago, I drove a Dodge wrecker with power assist, and the brakes were simplicity itself!

Any Ideas from anyone?

Triple88a 02-08-2007 06:53 PM

well spongy is the first sign of air inside the brakes but you say they are bled so thats wird. The first thing i would say is adjust the starscrew or whatever its called. I dont know what else to tell you. For 700$ bucks you could have switched to disk brakes though. From memory some1 sold a kit for like 300$

Scottie 02-08-2007 06:57 PM

I have the exact same problem on my 98. Replaced master cylinder, wheel cylinders, and shoes and still didn't work. Took it back to the shop and they put slightly larger pistons in the wheel cylinders which helped a little but still don't work right. They said it was because I had larger tires on (31s). From all of the info that I've gotten on this and other boards, I think the rear drum brakes on the wranglers just don't work well. I'm putting on an 8.8 rear axle with discs in a couple of weeks, so hopefully that helps. Thankfully, this isn't my DD because I won't drive this thing if the roads are slick.

AzTJ 02-08-2007 07:54 PM

might be the proportioning valve... or worn out springs in the drums.

bubthechub 07-01-2007 08:04 PM

I have a 99 Sahara and its the same way. I think its just a common. If someone knows where to get a good deal on a disc brake conversion please let me know.

Mudweiser 07-01-2007 09:30 PM

If you want to test your rear pads...just pull your ebrake.....its a manual way of engaging just them....if you feel no drag....you either have bad drums or bad pads...or they aint on right. If you have braking with your ebrake then you move onto hydraulic problems. Wheel cyclinders...master cylinder....etc.

erickpl 07-02-2007 07:53 AM

Did you adjust the star thing at the bottom of the drums? Mine had HUGE amounts of pedal travel before I adjusted them, now they brake REALLY well.

Triple88a 07-02-2007 05:06 PM

2X.. i agree with ericpl.. wheel star adjuster or whatever you call it seems like a good thing to blame.. drum brakes have springs which make it feel spungy since you step on the brakes.. it uses up the fluid to push the springs out and then the fluid is pressed back by the springs compressing the pistons and forcing all the fluid back into the resvoid..... Dont wranglers have automatic adjusters though?

George T. 07-02-2007 05:18 PM

with my yj, i can just drive in reverse and slam on the brakes jsut short of locking up the tires and thats adjusts them fine.

Triple88a 07-02-2007 06:12 PM

okay here it is right out of my automotive mechanics book..
Quote:

Automatic brake shoe adjusters normally function when the brakes are applied with the car moving in reverse. If there is too much lining clearance, the brake shoes move outward and rotate with the drum enough to operate the adjusting lever. This lengtens the star wheel assembly. The linings are moved closer to the brake drum, maintaining the correct lining to drum clearance.

PMorford 09-24-2008 04:59 PM

I have had the same no rear brake problem with my 99 Sport since I bought it. Everything is adjusted and in top shape. I think it is a poor design. I will probably put an adjustable proportioning valve in before the snow falls.

4.0l sahara 09-24-2008 07:53 PM

They have auto adjusters but they suck your better doing it yourself.

Jerry Bransford 09-24-2008 08:10 PM

Better having brake work done by a brake shop, not the dealer that specializes in replacing parts at high cost rather than actually figuring out what the true root cause of your braking problem really is. And rather than go to some nationwide chain of brake shop rip-off artists that have quotas to fill, find a small independent brake shop that belongs to the BBB (Better Business Bureau). They'll figure out what's wrong without ripping you off like the dealer did.


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