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TJDiver 08-24-2010 11:53 AM

4 banger vs 6.
 
I know this is just ranting, but I get sh*t for having a four banger instead of a six, my question is: is a six banger that much more powerful than a 4? I know of course it is more powerful, more bang=more buck, but what situations would a six conquer that a four couldn't ( assuming they are equally equipped)

Jerry Bransford 08-24-2010 11:56 AM

Offroad, when properly geared via appropriate axle ratios, the 4 is usually the equal to the 6 in pretty much everything except for deep mud or deep snow situtations where you need lots of wheel speed to keep going. I enjoy rock crawling and I've yet to see the reason for a rig's inability to do well there being solely that it was the 2.5L and not the 4.0L.

It's on the street and highways where the 4 decidedly takes the back seat compared to the 6. :)

pakman55 08-24-2010 11:57 AM

The six would be better in all categories except fuel economy on road. That would still even be close. But if you care about fuel economy, drive a Prius.

Offroad +1 to what Jerry (wicked smart) said

Ibuildembig 08-24-2010 12:05 PM

And the 4 poppers have a bad problem about the rods finding there way outside of the block :)

TJDiver 08-24-2010 12:14 PM

Alright, it's still a jeep then :-) now when the four banger hits the sh*t I give it about 200k more miles before that happens, how hard is it to drop an i6 in there, new tranny of course

Ibuildembig 08-24-2010 12:16 PM

actually I have seen rods break at 100K so be careful

Gladius 08-24-2010 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 739734)
Offroad, when properly geared via appropriate axle ratios, the 4 is usually the equal to the 6 in pretty much everything except for deep mud or deep snow situtations where you need lots of wheel speed to keep going. I enjoy rock crawling and I've yet to see the reason for a rig's inability to do well there being solely that it was the 2.5L and not the 4.0L.

It's on the street and highways where the 4 decidedly takes the back seat compared to the 6. :)

+1

I've wheeled with a number of 2.5L guys and they do quite well off road. In the woods, rocks, etc. they really are equal to the 4L.

On the highway, they aren't so hot with big tires. But you're not trying to win any races I assume, so the 2.5L can be tolerable. While stuck going 55mph just dream of the next trail ride. :)

Walkingstick 08-24-2010 02:33 PM

Mine has plenty of power and torque and i find it better off road than the i6 4.0 litre. Vé driven both

pakman55 08-24-2010 02:36 PM

Are you serious? Why do you like it better?

mrcarcrazy 08-24-2010 02:38 PM

4 lacks the power on road to conquer 70mph.

This to me is a big deal. To others not so much.

In reality, the 4cyl has nothing OVER the 6. except you may be able to find one cheaper.

oh has anyone heard the song that goes "Anything you can do, I can do better"...that's what the 6 says to the 4. the 4 can't accept it, but it is true.

RSC17 08-24-2010 02:41 PM

actually, with 31's, i cruise easily at 73mph (via GPS). 5th gear holds me there pretty well too.

Ibuildembig 08-24-2010 02:41 PM

A 2.5 jeep is a great platform for a V8 :)

Engine will bring 1K
tranny and case will bring 750.00

Gate53 08-24-2010 02:48 PM

Diver just do like I do, follow them and laugh when you compare how much it cost you to get there compared what it cost them. I like my 4 banger. Parts are cheap and there's always parts around. Plus three things Jeeps are supposed to have 4cyl, round headlights, be green.

Ibuildembig 08-24-2010 02:55 PM

Blackie was a 2.5 when I got her, and was wearing 30.9.50'x. We went to colorado and I couldn't keep up with my dad's 4.0 on the highway for nothing....4 gear flat on the floor, pulling the hills at a very brisk 52mph

djw97tj 08-24-2010 02:58 PM

i have the 2.5 and once i get to 60 its ok it can keep it there without much trouble getting past 55 is the furstrating part, its the hills around home that causes "problems" if you call gearing down a problem. you just have to get momentium on your side that helps a lot. but if i could do it all over again i would get a 4.0 without thinking twice

Gate53 08-24-2010 02:58 PM

LOL yup but you still got there.

Ibuildembig 08-24-2010 03:06 PM

LOL in the words of my ole man the 60's gearhead..."Son, there's no replacement for displacement"

mrcarcrazy 08-24-2010 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibuildembig (Post 739979)
LOL in the words of my ole man the 60's gearhead..."Son, there's no replacement for displacement"

Except a turbo.:rofl:

seriously though, if a vehicle can't take a slight headwind, or a small hill and maintain 70mph, I'm not interested.

Walkingstick 08-24-2010 03:40 PM

Dude mine has no problem on the freeway. I hit above 80 everyday

Walkingstick 08-24-2010 03:43 PM

And I like it better because the motor isn't as fussy, it's easier to work on and with the mods I've got which is few, I've got better low end torque than my relative 05' X i6
And a vehicle is just to get you from point A to point B.

mrcarcrazy 08-24-2010 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walkingstick (Post 740037)
Dude mine has no problem on the freeway. I hit above 80 everyday

You must have a rare one. I've never encountered one that can do that. Around here you can tell the 4cyl's b/c they are the ones holding up traffic going up the overpasses.

but fwiw 4.0's aren't what I'd consider "fussy". and they are often called "bullitproof". To each his own. I'm glad you like your 4 banger.

pakman55 08-24-2010 03:46 PM

Thats fair, the 4 cyl works for you. But for me getting from point A to B involves going through mud, going in the deep snow, or over some big rock. The six will help mw with that.

Ibuildembig 08-24-2010 03:51 PM

Just ran out and snapped this pic....this is how we hooked up our co-worker
http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r...g/IMG_0028.jpg

Walkingstick 08-24-2010 03:52 PM

Yeah to each his own. And I've had no problems with off roading.
It may struggle somewaht but, if it's easy it's not worth it.
"The Only Easy Day Was Yesterday."
However, I am goin to upgrade my shafts, tranny and transfer case plus gearing when I get out of college and into the teams.

djw97tj 08-24-2010 03:55 PM

its a jeep...not a sports car, its just like driving a little box down the road, the faster you go the more you have working against you, if you want speed and power get some american made muscle, or just drop a 350 in it

Ibuildembig 08-24-2010 04:00 PM

350 = muscle? :rofl:

I know I know, to each their own...but there are tons more options than that

Walkingstick 08-24-2010 04:01 PM

I'm lookin for better stronger parts.

Walkingstick 08-24-2010 04:02 PM

427 with a TH400 transmission would be just fine

GoldenSahara00 08-24-2010 04:44 PM

what all is there, other than a 350 small block or a hemi? I was told a 350 small block was the largest that would fit in a Jeeps engine compartments. JW because I have thought about dropping a new engine in when mine dies. but then again a have a 6 banger so, its not like I need the power ;)

Ibuildembig 08-24-2010 05:18 PM

Actually a small block ford fits better than a gm does....and you can use the ford tranny and case since its driver side drop. I've also seen quite a few AMC's in there as well. I just like being different than everyone else I guess :)


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