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Kohrs93 08-25-2010 10:15 PM

Removing Track Bars
 
I just read a big thread about removing the track bars and i think i want to do it. But I want to get a little more info on it before I go ahead with it.
Is it worth it? What are the effects of taking them off? Is it dangerous in town/on the highway? Any other info you have is appreciated too.

turdhurdler 08-25-2010 11:21 PM

I took my track bars off shortly after I installed my lift. The ride improved greatly, wheeling was made more fun due to the fact that I was getting more articulation. You will get a little more body roll, but if you drive the vehicle within posted speed limits you will not have any problems.

There is not really any added danger in not running them. From what I understand, Jeep was required to install the track bars due to "roll over" concerns. The entire run of the CJ line never had them at all. If you are not sure about removing them 100%, then take them off for the weekend and go for a nice drive. See how you like it. If you feel it is not for you, put them back on and enjoy your Jeep the way it is currently. Good luck which ever way you choose.

Jeff

Gee oh Dee 08-25-2010 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by turdhurdler (Post 742693)
I took my track bars off shortly after I installed my lift. The ride improved greatly, wheeling was made more fun due to the fact that I was getting more articulation. You will get a little more body roll, but if you drive the vehicle within posted speed limits you will not have any problems.

There is not really any added danger in not running them. From what I understand, Jeep was required to install the track bars due to "roll over" concerns. The entire run of the CJ line never had them at all. If you are not sure about removing them 100%, then take them off for the weekend and go for a nice drive. See how you like it. If you feel it is not for you, put them back on and enjoy your Jeep the way it is currently. Good luck which ever way you choose.

Jeff

My track bar mounts are worn on my Cherokee. I was driving well within the posted speed limits and hit a bump after some train tracks. Had a nasty case of death wobble. Think about it. Make sure you know what the hell you are doing before just hacking at your suspension. I'm thinking that if you have to ask a bunch of people on a forum who you may not know, you may wanna leave your truck how it is, or at minimum get an adjustable one.

yjkid95 08-25-2010 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gee oh Dee (Post 742708)
My track bar mounts are worn on my Cherokee. I was driving well within the posted speed limits and hit a bump after some train tracks. Had a nasty case of death wobble. Think about it. Make sure you know what the hell you are doing before just hacking at your suspension. I'm thinking that if you have to ask a bunch of people on a forum who you may not know, you may wanna leave your truck how it is, or at minimum get an adjustable one.

I forget what year cherokees started coming with coilovers upfront but if it was your front then thats understandable

turdhurdler 08-25-2010 11:59 PM

Alright, Gee oh Dee. I think there may be a misunderstanding here. He is asking about the track bar on his YJ, a leaf sprung vehicle. You have an XJ, which has coil springs on the front and leafs in the rear. The track bar is necessary on coil sprung vehicles, no arguments. But with a leaf sprung Jeep, the axle is held in place by 4 mounting points, 2 in front and rear of each wheel. A coil sprung is held in place by control arms that attach from the rear of the front axle and the track bar is there to keep the axle under the vehicle from moving side to side.

Jeff

turdhurdler 08-26-2010 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by yjkid95 (Post 742738)
I forget what year cherokees started coming with coilovers upfront but if it was your front then thats understandable

The XJ has always had coils in the front.

Jeff

Gee oh Dee 08-26-2010 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by yjkid95 (Post 742738)
I forget what year cherokees started coming with coilovers upfront but if it was your front then thats understandable

Quote:

Originally Posted by turdhurdler (Post 742742)
Alright, Gee oh Dee. I think there may be a misunderstanding here. He is asking about the track bar on his YJ, a leaf sprung vehicle. You have an XJ, which has coil springs on the front and leafs in the rear. The track bar is necessary on coil sprung vehicles, no arguments. But with a leaf sprung Jeep, the axle is held in place by 4 mounting points, 2 in front and rear of each wheel. A coil sprung is held in place by control arms that attach from the rear of the front axle and the track bar is there to keep the axle under the vehicle from moving side to side.

Jeff

Quote:

Originally Posted by turdhurdler (Post 742743)
The XJ has always had coils in the front.

Jeff

Correct, gents. 1987 beast. It is coil sprung fronts, and thats what gave me the issue. No misunderstanding, friends. Worn *front* track bar, not rear. My bad, guys!:D Guess it was my mistake!

UABYJ94 08-26-2010 07:58 AM

You will notice more body roll in turns, but after a few drives around corners running a little slower to learn the driving habits of the vehicle, you get used to it very quickly.
It will soften up the bumps in the road alot because there is less transfer of shock to the seat like the track bar allows.
A good starting point would be to remove the rear tb, drive around wit the front still attached to see how you like that then remove the front and drive it again. If you dont feel comfy with the front removed you can always put it back in, but I would atleast leave the rear out to help reduce the bump shock for a more comfortable ride.
Then when you learn the handling of it without the tb's you can disconnect the swaybar which is as useless as an elevator in an outhouse..
The leaf springs are attached to the axle to keep it from shifting ,unlike those TJ coil sprung suspensions. I do suggest making sure all of your steering components are in good shape before removing the sway bar tho. Worn out components will cause alot of steering wander and bump steer.
I removed both tb's and the sway bar and absalute refuse to ever put them back in..
The difference is night in day for the comfort on bumpy roads, along with the added articulation

Dr. Venture 08-26-2010 11:35 AM

I had mine off and felt that it was more of a smoother boat feeling. I just changed my bushings in the front. But my Rear bolts and bushings are frozen together. so today i might take on that project.

wasomma 08-26-2010 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by UABYJ94 (Post 742973)
You will notice more body roll in turns, but after a few drives around corners running a little slower to learn the driving habits of the vehicle, you get used to it very quickly.
It will soften up the bumps in the road alot because there is less transfer of shock to the seat like the track bar allows.
A good starting point would be to remove the rear tb, drive around wit the front still attached to see how you like that then remove the front and drive it again. If you dont feel comfy with the front removed you can always put it back in, but I would atleast leave the rear out to help reduce the bump shock for a more comfortable ride.
Then when you learn the handling of it without the tb's you can disconnect the swaybar which is as useless as an elevator in an outhouse..
The leaf springs are attached to the axle to keep it from shifting ,unlike those TJ coil sprung suspensions. I do suggest making sure all of your steering components are in good shape before removing the sway bar tho. Worn out components will cause alot of steering wander and bump steer.
I removed both tb's and the sway bar and absalute refuse to ever put them back in..
The difference is night in day for the comfort on bumpy roads, along with the added articulation

Im thinking about doing this, ill start with the rear first. I never thought to try one at a time.

What about the trac bar, is there a big diff when you remove it or should i start with the trac and the sway bar in the read

kj 92yj 08-26-2010 03:25 PM

i hate to ask this question, but i have to........I have read this thread and have read other things about the advantages and disadvantages of removing the track and sway bar(s) before......and think i'd like to try it just to see how it affects mine.....so this being said, heres the dumb question and i'm sure you all see it coming..........which one is which?

UABYJ94 08-26-2010 03:32 PM

The track bar is the fat pipe that runs from the frame to the axle,one side down to the other..
The sway bar is the one running across the front with 2 bars coming down and connected at the leaf spring mounts on the axle..
i would remove the back track bar first ,drive it then remove the front track bar and drive it again..
Before completely removing the sway bar I would disconnect it at the leaf spring mounts and tie the ends up out of the way and drive it around a little bit at slower speeds to get a feel for it.. Then get on a road that you can get up to around 45 or so with a few turns and see how you like it.
If you like it then remove it completely and scrap them, cause you will never want to put them back on.

Vaultzz 08-26-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UABYJ94 (Post 743703)
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If you like it then remove it completely and scrap them, cause you will never want to put them back on.

NO! :p The front track bar is required for inspection :rofl: so keep them if you take them off or you'll be spending an unneeded $100 next year like I am now

UABYJ94 08-26-2010 03:43 PM

I dont have a very clear pic of the rear but you can see where it is mounted to the top of the axle on the driver side. look rite in front of the shock, you can see the bar bolted to the top of the axle, this runs across and up to the frame on the other side.
http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/...eprefit003.jpg
In this pic you can see the rusted arm of the sway bar between the bumer and the wheel and then has the curved arm going down to the leaf spring plate on the axle. This is on both sides.. You will know it when you see it.
http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/...eprefit002.jpg
I dont have a pic of the front trac bar to show you, but it looks just like the rear one.. Hope these help

UABYJ94 08-26-2010 03:45 PM

Ohh didn't think about the inspected states,,hmmm guess we are lucky down here where we dont have annual vehicle inspections..
Note to all who read these suggestions ,if you live in state with vehicle inspections do not listen to me..I do not know what your requirements are and therefore can not give you advise..

kj 92yj 08-26-2010 03:45 PM

cool. thanks very much guys. going to print this out and give it a shot. thanks again!

UABYJ94 08-26-2010 03:48 PM

Thanks for catching that one Vaultzz.....
Me and my dadburn assumptions getting me into trouble again.
Ima go widdle some wood and pet my bird dog..lol

UABYJ94 08-26-2010 03:49 PM

I think I still have mine laying out in the shop where a friend thought he was going to put them back on if you need a set there Vaultzz

Kohrs93 08-26-2010 03:51 PM

Wow, Thanks for all the responses guys. I think I'm going to start with the rear one this weekend. I'll drive it around for a few days and see how I like it.

Vaultzz 08-26-2010 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UABYJ94 (Post 743748)
I think I still have mine laying out in the shop where a friend thought he was going to put them back on if you need a set there Vaultzz

Nah I already went and got one, now all i have to do it weld my sway bar link and replace the carb and its street legal again! :D

Tarby 08-26-2010 05:51 PM

I'm in PA, I passed inspection without the rear trac bar. I just had a rubicon express lift put on my yj and I don't have the rear trac bar (kit says eliminate it) and passed ok. I have the 2.5" lift. Now, I still have the front trac bar on, it comes with an extension to compensate for the added lift. I guess you would have to check your local inspection station to see what ruling would be on the issue...

Vaultzz 08-26-2010 05:55 PM

The front is "required" since according to the state "theres nothing holding your axle in place" :rofl: so theres no getting around it, just throw it back on for inspection and then take it off again after, I am ;)

Tarby 08-26-2010 05:59 PM

Gotta love the ol' state..."nothing holding your axle in place"....classic!!

Vaultzz 08-26-2010 06:00 PM

That and "your carburetor can't be leaking gas" :rofl:

Dr. Venture 08-26-2010 11:04 PM

Well i fianlly got the rear TB out. has to use a damn hammer gun and fire. Threw everything back up and together then i notice that my WP is leaking coolant. What a week. So tomorrow i am going to throw in a new WP and raod test. BTW after installing the TB back to normal (front) my alignment as far as steering wheel is still off and did not go back to normal, or realigned itself. Somewhat odd, but i'll be doing an alignment after the WP anyway. I'll take some pix if you like of it on the lift so you can catch a clear pic of what and where the TB's are located.

kj 92yj 08-27-2010 07:52 AM

i'm all for that if you want to do it. i printed out the other pics in the thread, but if you want to add more, i'll wait to try mine until seeing yours. thanks!

Dr. Venture 08-27-2010 04:33 PM

Hey sorry, that i did not get a chance to throw up pix. We got busy at work. Just so you do not have to wait, i'll prob throw it up tonight around 6 after work if not then tomorrow morning deff.

I just don't want to keep you waiting.

Dr. Venture 08-27-2010 05:41 PM

Actually just did the alignment, since i'll be needing her for tomorrow.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...ep/photo-7.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...ep/photo-8.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...ep/photo-9.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...p/photo-10.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...p/photo-11.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...p/photo-12.jpg

Hope these help!!!

Jitney 10-28-2010 05:44 PM

i am definatly going to take off my rear trac bar after listening to this was not sure at first but thanks for all the info guys!!


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