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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 11:10 AM

Tj-6
 
Hello my name is Jason. I use my jeep as a woods access tool not just a wheeler. I am an avid elk hunter and fisherman. I also have a wife, small boy and a dog. The TJ is just too small for my needs at this point in my life. It has become a struggle to take the family into the woods. This need for more space has inspired my TJ-6 build. I am building up my TJ and stretching it out to fit a LJ top. I will have a LJ tub with the rear overhang of a TJ.
The TJ stats:
98 TJ sport, 4.0, 5 speed, SYE, D30 open, D44 Detroit, geared to 4.56, 33’s, 3.5” lift, winch, CB, hard & soft top.
This set up has worked well for many years but it is time for the jeep to grow with the family.
The TJ-6 build plan is to improve the size and ability. Keep the center of gravity low and able to drive at 65 MPH all day.
The TJ-6 stats (in addition to TJ stats):
Stretch- LJ soft top, TJ rear overhang, I will be using the back of a LJ tub and Poison Spyder custom corners
Tires- BFG AT’s in 35x12.50-15 (got used in a trade), I just want to try out AT’s :D
Axles- upgrade the front D30 to a Rubi D44 and lock it
Gearing- axles stay at 4.56, but add a NWF Black Box with 2.72:1 low
T-case Skid- I will build a flat skid and also raise the engine 1”.
Lift- use my 3.5” and add 1” of body
Wheels- Spyderlock beadlocks in 15x9
Gas tank- raise existing tank 1”

MCE Jason 09-30-2010 11:12 AM

Mock up:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...13_3282900.jpg

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ld/Jeep010.jpg

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Cutting the tub:
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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 11:13 AM

Removing the TJ tub.
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I found a wrecked LJ tub in a bone yard, the back was still good. I have been storing this thing and dreaming of this day for 8 months. I will be using the floor, rails, and modifying the wheel wells for added storage. The rear will also be trimmed up to TJ spec’s.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...13_3282902.jpg

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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 11:14 AM

Front D44 upgrade:
I found a Rubi D44 housing in a add for $400. I had it geared to 4.56 w/ a lockright, and installed some G2 shafts. I do not plan on going bigger than a 35 with this jeep, so this axle should be all I need.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ld/Jeep015.jpg

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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 11:16 AM

Was a full day! Thanks for the help Wac Jeeper and Jr!
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ld/Jeep018.jpg

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Cutting the frame:
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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 11:17 AM

I am not going to lie, I dig the Spyderlocks. They are also very stout! Great guys and great wheels. Spyderlock beadlock home
Note: I sold my hard top for $900 and my 33-10.50’s for $600 to get these wheels.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2097.jpg

phantomofrussia 09-30-2010 11:34 AM

Looking good!!

Can't wait to see the finished result.

Oh and welcome to the forum!

jayc 09-30-2010 11:42 AM

Please keep updating this, i cant wait to see you go thru these steps and get it done.

MCE Jason 09-30-2010 12:37 PM

Adding 15” to the frame:
We made some 4x 2.5x 3/16 rec tube (cut and welded 4x2), used 2” and 3” 3/16th plate for the sleeves that insert into the existing frame.
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blkrubi88 09-30-2010 12:38 PM

Can't wait to see it finished!

MCE Jason 09-30-2010 12:39 PM

Mocking up the tub and checking the frame work. Things are working out very well to this point. Thanks Mike (aka- Wac) for driving in traffic 1 plus hours day after day to get this together, you the man!
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Back on her own weight!
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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 12:42 PM

Some before shots, just for fun.
My helper, installing a new Banks #2
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...3/IMG_3263.jpg
Summer 09 (not much room for Jr)
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...3/untitled.jpg
Hunting 09, jr's first bird he is 3
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uplifted 09-30-2010 12:44 PM

Great thread... I love following your progress.. Looks awesome so far..

blkrubi88 09-30-2010 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MCE Jason (Post 795541)



That my friend is an awesome pic! Reminds me of a pic my wife took of me and my son laying under the Jeep when I was changing oil one day and all you can see is our legs and feet sticking out from under the Jeep!


Looks like you and your friend do some amazing work!:punk:

MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:25 PM

Fish Plating:
I welded it all up then fish plated it. I used some extended plates so I could mount the body mounts cleaner.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2105.jpg
Raising the body mounts 1”:
I installed a 1" body lift for the flat skid and the 35's. I decided to cut the body mounts off under the doors and re-weld them without the 1" BL pucks. This will help my ground clearance.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2103.jpg
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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:26 PM

Upper rear control arm mounts:
Mine are starting to crack, so I beefed them up. I think this is a common problem with a short arm lift. I tried to get a good shot of the crack but my camera was not doing it, first picture.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2101.jpg
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Some more weld pictures with better light, they are less chunky in real life…
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...13_3286904.jpg
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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:27 PM

My 14 year old cousin came over to help out. This was his first time with a welder and a plasma cutter. He did great! Maybe he will start looking at getting a jeep for his first rig…..
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...13_3286904.jpg
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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:28 PM

Tub mounts:
The LJ tub has two mounts under the cargo portion of the bed that do not hit the TJ frame locations (they are 4 ¾” off, C to C). WAC and I decided to make the new support from the frame cross member to the coil bucket. We used 3/16th plate. The new mounts were designed to not need the 1” BL pucks.
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New body mounts in and ready for the LJ tub.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2120.jpg

MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:29 PM

Mounting the LJ tub:
We prepped the LJ tub for welding to the TJ tub. We installed the tub then mounted it to the frame. Checked it all out and started welding it up.
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At the point on the floor that the TJ & LJ tubs meet we added some supports.
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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:30 PM

The PSC corners make this idea work. Without having this option in the aftermarket I would not be doing this build. I do not have the skill to make this look right without them. I called around about my idea, looking for some LJ corners to buy modified. I was surprised with the responses I was getting from the after market. I just wanted some LJ corners with the wheel well and gas filler moved, I kept getting the “well one off stuff will be very expensive and difficult for us”. I got quotes as much as $1000! I also encountered people that would not listen to me, and just try (very hard) to sell me LJ corners. I had one guy telling me that there LJ corners would work without modification for my 15” WB stretch…. :thumbdown:I gave up on getting corners made to my TJ-6 spec. I figured I would just get some blanks and cut the needed wheel well and gas filler holes out. This was last spring. :brickwall

Well the time came to order my LJ corner blanks, so I called the new Poison Spyder Customs (I had never called them about the TJ-6 corners prier to this). I got Larry on the phone (just by chance) taking my order for LJ blanks. He instantly started asking me questions about the rig they were going on. I explained what the TJ-6 tub plan was, he then asked why I was getting blanks. I told him I planned on cutting it all out, he then offered to do it all for me. “It is not a big deal, LJ corner w/ TJ rear” he was exited about what I was building. His costumer service is on the next level. He also did not charge me some insane amount of money. It turns out that PSC is set up to do custom work, and they sell the custom stuff at very reasonable rate. I also only waited about two weeks before the parts arrived! Poison Syder Rocks! :thumbsup:
Poison Spyder Customs: Home
PSC nuts & bolts
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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:32 PM

Welded up the cut outs for the tail gate hinges. I will be making the TJ gate drop like a CJ.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2149.jpg
Maximizing the added room:
The plan is to get the most room out of the stretch as we can. We decided that the stock LJ wheel wells could be improved, this is what we did.
Used- 18 ga. Sheet metal, 3/16 x 3”, 1/2x1/2”

Made a frame for the sheet metal, and tied the corner to the tub support with 3/16th
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2147.jpg
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We graded the floor 1/4” so water would not puddle in the corner.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2159.jpg
The passenger side is the same.

MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:33 PM

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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:36 PM

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Under tub bracing, this is at the TJ LJ graft.
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Inside wheel well.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2176.jpg

MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:38 PM

I need a receiver but did not want a rear bumper so this is what we can up with. It is designed for function with not much attention to aesthetics. The receiver is set high and the gussets are to add rigidity and a spot to drill some safety chain holes. The ¼” plate was plug welded and also welded on the back side to the rear cross member. We used 1/4"x6” plate and a A to Z fab receiver. My old bumper without the swing out attached was over 55 lbs…… New one should be MUCH less.

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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:40 PM

Mike had the great idea it convert the tailgate to a CJ style. We used the stock TJ one and welded it because we will be making a gun box in the back/ under rear seat. We need to keep the TJ lock for the box. We used stock CJ hinges and cables.
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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:41 PM

I checked to make sure things were all still working together and installed some bumpers. The bumpers are to hold the upper passenger side of the tailgate tightly shut and stop the swing out from hitting the tail gate when open. I used the factory ones and just trimmed them a bit.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2204.jpg
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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:44 PM

Installed a 1” engine lift. Man it went quick. It looks like a flat skid will work without the need for the t-case to be “clocked”. I will gather more info about the flat skid tomorrow. We pulled the t-case apart to inspect the inside. I had not had the case apart in 4 or 5 years (when Mike and I installed the SYE). I was surprised how good it all looked, I am just going to install some seals and call it good.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2222.jpg
mock up:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2227.jpg
It will be close, but might just make it with a true flat frame rail to frame rail skid.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ganize2226.jpg

MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:45 PM

Got some work completed on the Spyder Locks. Yes, I painted them. :peaking: I also installed a deflating secret weapon. I installed some R.A.D.’s from Rimrock Mountain Supply. At under $20 per wheel it was a no-brainer. With just a quick twist the RAD’s deflate the tire at a MUCH quicker rate than removing the valve stem. I also like that the cap acts like a lock nut holding back on the threaded deflator portion so they will not loosen unexpectedly. They are a very nice addition to the wheels.
Rimrock Mountain Supply
SPYDERLOCK WHEELS
Spyderlock beadlock home
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MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:47 PM

Added the rear cage, I used bars from a LJ.
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Welded existing hoop up.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ld/Jeep062.jpg

MCE Jason 09-30-2010 02:49 PM

Made a landing point and hook for the latch.
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Added some support to the corners rocker. I used 3/16 plate from the tub tie in to angle on inner side of corner. Should help keep things in place. I also painted the underside and wheel wells.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ld/Jeep078.jpg
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