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sdgmcdon 10-06-2010 11:21 PM

Can't Decide - Stock Rubi Tires or Duratracs, $637 to Change Em - Thoughts?
 
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So I am getting a new Rubi, I have someone willing to pay enough for the stock tires (255/75/17 BFG MT's) that it would cost me $637 to put 265/70/17 Duratrac's on it (all 5).

I will be going offroad and getting more and more "advanced" as I go (nothing crazy off the bat, but want to see every wheel in a different position on rocks soon!) but I'm also concerned about ICE...I'll be traveling through a very icy mountain road fairly often (we're talking an inch thick solid sheet on the entire road), likely in snow etc hence I'm liking the Duratracs; plus it rains here - A LOT.

Would I be getting ripped off to do this deal?

Also, are the Duratracs just as good off road and in say mud as the BFG MT's? Are the Duratracs that much better in snow and ice than the BFG's?

And would the 265/70/17 Duratracs look smaller and/or lower the jeep compared to the stock 255/75/17 BFG MT's?

Any/all input is welcome

InfernoGirl 10-06-2010 11:34 PM

You are getting robbed....

Look at these prices.. Tire List | Treadepot.com Crap, the link won't take you there, but plug in your size and scroll down. Duratracs are like $185 ea....

sdgmcdon 10-06-2010 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by InfernoGirl (Post 806094)
You are getting robbed....

Look at these prices.. Tire List | Treadepot.com Crap, the link won't take you there, but plug in your size and scroll down. Duratracs are like $185 ea....

Sorry, I should mention I'm talking about the duratracs with an E load range, not the C's...On that link you sent they are $209 each which for all 5 is $1,189.35 shipped - Still think I'm getting ripped on it?

I should also mention that $637 INCLUDES mounting and balancing which I don't have the means to do myself.

Thanks for replying too, I again really appreciate any and all input here...$637 isn't exactly going to break the bank for me but I definetely would want to know that they will at least do as well in general offroading as the BFG's and significantly better in snow and ice.

Stick1001 10-07-2010 12:27 AM

Those kinda conditions call for seasonal tire and rim packages. Have both summer and winter mounted and ready when you need em, won't take long to pay for the extra cost with the money you'll save in changeovers. And go studded soft rubber compound, like a Cooper weathermaster

sdgmcdon 10-07-2010 12:34 AM

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Those kinda conditions call for seasonal tire and rim packages. Have both summer and winter mounted and ready when you need em, won't take long to pay for the extra cost with the money you'll save in changeovers. And go studded soft rubber compound, like a Cooper weathermaster

I was hoping to avoid that actually as that's what I've been doing the past few years already with a rear wheel drive 300hp v8 sedan...Studs in the winter on those roads worked well, even in a rear wheel drive v8, but I figure with the jeep and being able to be in 4hi on ice covered roads, should give me enough traction with good all around winter "snowflake" rated tires that can also do offroad really well that I wouldn't need to do the winter/summer tire swaps; plus I hate what studs do to the roads here but in my v8 sedan I had to have them or it wouldn't move in those conditions, in the jeep I don't think they are required per se.

daggo66 10-07-2010 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sdgmcdon (Post 806080)
And would the 265/70/17 Duratracs look smaller and/or lower the jeep compared to the stock 255/75/17 BFG MT's?

Any/all input is welcome

They'd be about 1/2" smaller.

sdgmcdon 10-07-2010 01:21 AM

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They'd be about 1/2" smaller.

In terms of height right (ground to top of tire tread / diameter)?

Tells me it would then make the jeep 1/2" lower too...Off hand I doubt that would be a noticeable difference, but maybe it would be? I don't want to lose ground clearance, however if 1/2" wouldn't be noticeable I suppose I could deal with that.

mcgyver1467 10-07-2010 01:26 AM

I recently purchased a set of Dura-Tracs, and I love them. They do great on rocks, sand, gravel, and packed soil. They do good in the mud too. Although they aren't as aggressive as some mud tires, they pull good and clean good. I'd choose the Dura-Tracs over the BFG's any day. As for the ice and snow, I can't say. I live in the South, and haven't had any of that yet. We usually don't get snow or ice until January.

sdgmcdon 10-07-2010 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mcgyver1467 (Post 806275)
I recently purchased a set of Dura-Tracs, and I love them. They do great on rocks, sand, gravel, and packed soil. They do good in the mud too. Although they aren't as aggressive as some mud tires, they pull good and clean good. I'd choose the Dura-Tracs over the BFG's any day. As for the ice and snow, I can't say. I live in the South, and haven't had any of that yet. We usually don't get snow or ice until January.

So even with the lack of snow and ice experience you would pay the $637 and get the Duratracs?

wharthog69 10-07-2010 01:34 AM

Save your dough
 
Here's my suggestion:

Keep the MT's. Wheel it, save up $400, get a 2.5" lift kit, then put 35" Duratrac's on it.

That way you'll get time to learn what you want to do and whether or not that 1/2" makes a difference first hand. (btw, it does)

annnndd.... someone else may want to pipe in here, but I don't think you are going to want the load range E's.

sdgmcdon 10-07-2010 01:38 AM

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annnndd.... someone else may want to pipe in here, but I don't think you are going to want the load range E's.

Really? I thought the more plys the better (and possibly thinking wrong here but wouldn't they hold up better when airing down to wheel it?)

As for sticking with originals, then changing when I'm ready to lift etc...thought of that too, but I know that will be at least two winters from now on those roads (and frankly ice scares the crap out of me).

Maybe I should just sipe the BFG's...

daggo66 10-07-2010 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sdgmcdon (Post 806271)
In terms of height right (ground to top of tire tread / diameter)?

Tells me it would then make the jeep 1/2" lower too...Off hand I doubt that would be a noticeable difference, but maybe it would be? I don't want to lose ground clearance, however if 1/2" wouldn't be noticeable I suppose I could deal with that.

You'd only lose 1/4" of ground clearance since you're losing 1/2" of diameter.

Slither302 10-07-2010 07:00 AM

the stock mt's are great offroad and I have had them in the snow rain etc with no problems. Save your money and put it towards a lift kit and bigger tires down the road.

J.B. 10-07-2010 07:00 AM

Load range E would give ya a stiffer ride than the C's

Hilldweller 10-07-2010 07:04 AM

That's not a good swap or price.
The duratrac is a better tire overall, and especially in winter conditions.
But you've selected a fairly small version of it and one that's suited to higher loads.

See if you can sell your wheels and tires together; try to get a grand. They get a set of wheels and tires; get less backspacing and bigger circumference at the same time.

I'm partial to a "D" load range because I tow a trailer. "E" isn't a deal-breaker, if that's the only one it comes in ---- but don't go looking for it. Jeeps don't weigh that much.

For a 33", I'll stick with my all-time favorite size, the 285/75-16. The right amount of rubber on the road for a 2-door, the right weight, the right price...

6InARowMakesItGo 10-07-2010 07:24 AM

um dont get load range E. they are rated to hold 80 psi. that will be bouncy on a light jeep. they are for a 3/4 ton truck or bigger. your not getting a better tire by spending more money. the best one for the jeep is a C range.

daggo66 10-07-2010 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 6inarowmakesitgo (Post 806492)
um dont get load range E. they are rated to hold 80 psi. that will be bouncy on a light jeep. they are for a 3/4 ton truck or bigger. your not getting a better tire by spending more money. the best one for the jeep is a C range.

More like rock hard than bouncy.

InfernoGirl 10-07-2010 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 6inarowmakesitgo (Post 806492)
um dont get load range E. they are rated to hold 80 psi. that will be bouncy on a light jeep. they are for a 3/4 ton truck or bigger. your not getting a better tire by spending more money. the best one for the jeep is a C range.

The only problem with that is that they don't make them in all sizes... :) I'm looking for 35's for the JK, and C range tires are hard to find in the right wheel size/tire size/tread design/price range..... (in a perfect world, I'd probably still find something to whine about:))

wharthog69 10-07-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sdgmcdon (Post 806293)
Really? I thought the more plys the better (and possibly thinking wrong here but wouldn't they hold up better when airing down to wheel it?)

As for sticking with originals, then changing when I'm ready to lift etc...thought of that too, but I know that will be at least two winters from now on those roads (and frankly ice scares the crap out of me).

Maybe I should just sipe the BFG's...

Not from experience but supported by what I've heard, read, and has been echoed here, load range E's are going to be too stiff, resulting in a harsh ride and (at least for a light jeep) poor sidewall flex when off road.

sdgmcdon 10-07-2010 11:37 AM

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Load range C it is...thanks

sdgmcdon 10-07-2010 06:14 PM

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Ok, so I've decided to go with the Duratracs, I have a buyer for the BFG's and after all is said and done I'd actually be about $500 out of pocket on this (to me that's worth the snow/ice driving assurance of more traction); here's the kicker; the tire shop is telling me that beyond a doubt the 2011 rubicon unlimited will fit the 285/70/17 duratracs...told me it's actually in their system showing them as fitting this vehicle. This is "America's Tire Co" in the Portland area...The guy I spoke to actually said he put this same size on his mothers wrangler x a few weeks ago without any problem.

After digging around a lot online in various forums seems majority feel spacers or different rims would be required to fit these without rubbing, but I saw a lot of others saying they have this size on a stock wrangler and they don't rub at all; most of them however haven't wheeled/flexed their jeeps since doing it though.

If I go with the 265/70/17 instead I would be a small chunk of change under $500 but the tire is definetely smaller and that I don't like.

InfernoGirl 10-07-2010 06:42 PM

If they rub, it will only be in the front and that can be fixed with a washer or two on the steering stops. Depends how much air is in them at that point I think.... :) If you air them down to where they should be, verses where the tire shop is likely to put them, they may be more inclined to rub.

sdgmcdon 10-07-2010 07:01 PM

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To rub (285/70/17) or not to rub (265/70/17)...grrr...C...aa......n.....t.....de......CIDE!

If the #@$^! 265/70/17 were the same size as stock It wouldn't be hard, but knowing they are a pinch smaller - GRRR....

J.B. 10-07-2010 08:34 PM

But they also will be a pinch wider! :D

InfernoGirl 10-07-2010 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sdgmcdon (Post 807550)
To rub (285/70/17) or not to rub (265/70/17)...grrr...C...aa......n.....t.....de......CIDE!

If the #@$^! 265/70/17 were the same size as stock It wouldn't be hard, but knowing they are a pinch smaller - GRRR....

It's 4 washers max... that's what $1.50? 10 minutes with a wrench on your back under the Jeep..... Just do it! :D

Eeepj 10-07-2010 10:57 PM

The Duratracs are amazing in winter. I put them on my TJ after I rolled it on an icy road. They made a huge difference. Now I've got a JK and I'm ordering some 33's and putting a Daystar spacer kit.

sdgmcdon 10-07-2010 11:15 PM

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So i keep hearing "spacers" but when i research them i keep finding people that say they are flat out dangerous, that they need regular checks etc...what's the scoop wih that or "washers" as infernogirl mentioned...?

Boosta 10-07-2010 11:28 PM

The old type Spacers (non bolt type) are dangerous, the term used now are wheel adapters/s[pacers. Spacers ujsed to be just that, but wheel adapters bolt on with red loctite and with proper maintenance (checking them every tire rotation) will last the life of the jeep.

Jeep

www.spidertrax.com

Boosta 10-07-2010 11:30 PM

I recently installed a set of Duratracs 275/65/18's and they rubbed till i got this link from Hilldweller. 5 minutes and $.13 washers stopped the rubbing.

Project-JK.com - Jeep JK Wrangler Resource Jeep JK Wrangler Steer Stop Adjustment

InfernoGirl 10-07-2010 11:45 PM

Boosta honey there you are.... :) I couldn't remember who it was I was thinking of that had just recently run into this.... Glad you showed up :) Nice to hear it from the source rather than my crappy memory.


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