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firefighter777 10-13-2010 01:34 AM

Marines or Army?
 
So my little brother wants to join the military after high school. He is thinking marines or army. Infantry/combat related jobs for either. He likes the Army but my family has a tradition in the Corps. Yet, he is hesitate to join the Marines because everyone he has talked to has had a bad experience. I have had friends in both and all in the Army enjoyed their time while some in the Marines counted down the days until they were out. So what's your thoughts or prior service experience. This is a big decision for him and I want him to get the most info so post and i'll have him read. Thanks all!

Walkingstick 10-13-2010 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by firefighter777
So my little brother wants to join the military after high school. He is thinking marines or army. Infantry/combat related jobs for either. He likes the Army but my family has a tradition in the Corps. Yet, he is hesitate to join the Marines because everyone he has talked to has had a bad experience. I have had friends in both and all in the Army enjoyed their time while some in the Marines counted down the days until they were out. So what's your thoughts or prior service experience. This is a big decision for him and I want him to get the most info so post and i'll have him read. Thanks all!

I'm enlisting.
But I'm going a different path than those two branches.
What MOS does he want? Does he want to be an infantry man or does he eentually want to go SF(Army) or Ranger(Army) or does he want to eventually go MarSoc(Marine Corps)?
How much research has he done?

firefighter777 10-13-2010 01:47 AM

He doesn't know he will most likely only serve for 4 years so I doubt he will do any Special Forces.

Walkingstick 10-13-2010 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by firefighter777
He doesn't know he will most likely only serve for 4 years so I doubt he will do any Special Forces.

Oh okay.
Well it's up to him. He should enlist into which ever branch he wants to and or likes.

Walkingstick 10-13-2010 01:50 AM

Good luck to him with finding his path.

jpg103 10-13-2010 01:54 AM

Mind you I didn't serve, but having grown up with a father, uncle and cousins all being former Marines (most combat vets) I think I would have had a hard time coming home from the recruiter with an Army t-shirt on. Not that I ever needed to prove myself to them, but I just think they would say "why?" If you're brother wants to go infantry the Marine Corps will most likely ensure he'll get to use his combat training during a deployment at some point. One of my cousins is an infantry officer who's coming up on Lt. Colonel after about sixteen years in. He's currently getting ready to deploy to Afghanistan (again.)

But whatever, I'm a civilian so I should probably keep my mouth shut. I was just raised around a lot of Marines and thought I'd throw my two cents in. My suggestion would be that he talk to some of your friends in both services whom you hold in high regard and ask their likes and dislikes of each service.

SUBZEROCOOL 10-13-2010 01:57 AM

Navy... I cant run cuz of my flat foot, but I can swim like a duck.

Walkingstick 10-13-2010 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBZEROCOOL
Navy... I cant run cuz of my flat foot, but I can swim like a duck.

I bet you could run if you really wanted to.
Whats your MOS?

SUBZEROCOOL 10-13-2010 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Walkingstick (Post 816938)
I bet you could run if you really wanted to.
Whats your MOS?

MOS what do you mean MOS... Microsoft office specialist, Ministyr of sound, Museum of science??

Walkingstick 10-13-2010 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBZEROCOOL

MOS what do you mean MOS... Microsoft office specialist, Ministyr of sound, Museum of science??

Miltary Occupational Specialty... Aka.... Rate... In ciivy terms.... Job
Navy has Rate and Rank. Every other branch has MOS and Rank

cavediverjc 10-13-2010 07:48 AM

Have him talk to a REPUTABLE recruiter (if there is such a thing) from the Marines and from the Army. See what they offer him. I thought about becoming a Marine when I originally enlisted, but they wouldn't give me Airborne in my original contract. The Army would. It all depends on what HE wants and what THEY offer. Both branches will have their pros/cons. The Army had more pros FOR ME than the Marines, so that's the route I took. Either way, he'll get some good training and some discipline that will last the rest of his days, whether or not he stays in after his 8 year commitment. Yes 8. (Read the fine print..... :D )

VolForce 10-13-2010 08:14 AM

I have to vote for the Marine Corp. , any branch of service will make a man of him, but the Corp is forever!!

captjhym 10-13-2010 06:30 PM

I was a Marine for 21 years, but my advice is to talk to the recruiters (both army and Marine) about what he really wants to come away from the military with, weigh the options and then choose. Most former Marines (the ones that get out before they retire) have had bad experiences, but are still proud enough to let you know they were a Marine. Every service has its good and bad points. It really comes down to what each person makes of he experience for themselves.

ncossey 10-13-2010 06:40 PM

I just got out of the Marines back in 2008 after 4 years of service and 2 tours in Iraq. It was no cake walk but I have alot of good memories and friends forever. I'd say if you can't decide between Marines and Army, you probably have no business in the Marines, we are a different breed and not for everyone. If you have any doubts, I'd just play it safe and go Army.

cavediverjc 10-13-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ncossey (Post 818096)
I just got out of the Marines back in 2008 after 4 years of service and 2 tours in Iraq. It was no cake walk but I have alot of good memories and friends forever. I'd say if you can't decide between Marines and Army, you probably have no business in the Marines, we are a different breed and not for everyone. If you have any doubts, I'd just play it safe and go Army.

Hahaha.......I've got two Purple Hearts that say the Army isn't that safe.... :D

Rogerg 10-13-2010 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cavediverjc (Post 818144)
Hahaha.......I've got two Purple Hearts that say the Army isn't that safe.... :D

Thats a fact..some people dont have a clue :rolleyes:

KeeblerKO 10-13-2010 10:52 PM

I'm currently on terminal leave from the Army. Let me tell you, I've been waiting for this for the past two years. My initial contract was for 3 years, but all said and done my active duty time is more like 3 years and 7 months. OSUT was tacked onto the 3 years and I had a little bit of stop-loss on this most recent deployment, so that's where the extra 7 months comes into play.

Thanksgiving day is my stop-loss adjusted ETS date. :rofl:

If I could do it over again I would not have picked Cav Scout or any other combat MOS, but taken something more along the lines of a 9-5 job. When you're not deployed you're either training, performing landscaping type tasks, or standing around all day just hanging out doing nothing if you're combat arms. The ranges get booked up a lot.... But I'm happy to say I will never have to pick up someone else's trash or cigarette butts (I don't smoke) ever again. And that tree we used to stand under for hours on end every day? I left my boots hanging in them. :punk:

If your brother is set on combat arms because he wants to be what you think of as a combat soldier from Hollywood I would recommend he try for Ranger, SF, or Airborne. Those are the real professionals. Just vanilla combat arms kinda blows because you don't do any of the cool stuff.

If he's set on combat arms because he doesn't want to be a POG he should look at the MOSs available to him really well before he decides. Grunts talk crap about POGs. POGs talk crap about grunts. It's just like how Active and Guard will talk smack about each other.

He should do what makes him happy and not care about what anyone else thinks or says. From my experience in the Army there is only one person who will ever do right by number one and act with number one's best interests in mind. Number one. There was a whole lot of that going around in my unit...especially during this last deployment. It felt like everything we did was because someone was trying to get promoted before Iraq went away forever for combat soldiers. A lot of WTF are these guys smoking type missions going around for an entire year...

Anyhow, I'll leave my angst there.



Look into the Active First enlistment option if it's still around. Nice big bonuses for agreeing to a certain number of years of active duty followed by completeing the rest of your 8 year agreement in the guard.

Jerry Bransford 10-13-2010 10:56 PM

I was USAF so I wasn't in either but I was attached to both the Army and Marines on TDY (temporary duty) and the Marines were certainly a more motivated bunch. The Army guys complained all the time & just had no pride in the Army. More elite units like the Army Rangers have a lot of pride but the run-of-the-mill Army guys I was with were just hating the Army. The Marines were so proud to be Marines that you could barely be around them when they got rolling. I did my best to not let any of them know I was USAF since I would have been ragged on mercilessly. :D

firefighter777 10-14-2010 12:04 AM

Keebler KO... were you Cav Scout he says that is what he is looking into.

firefighter777 10-14-2010 12:05 AM

And thanks for the info guys he really appreciates it.

aelwero 10-14-2010 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ncossey (Post 818096)
I just got out of the Marines back in 2008 after 4 years of service and 2 tours in Iraq. It was no cake walk but I have alot of good memories and friends forever. I'd say if you can't decide between Marines and Army, you probably have no business in the Marines, we are a different breed and not for everyone. If you have any doubts, I'd just play it safe and go Army.

X2, from an Army (and former recruiter, sort of, I got fired, sort of) perspective...

Marines are most definitely Marines. No nonsense, no screwing around. They are all happy to be marines, and later on down the road when they are retired (and still Marines forever!!) they'll proudly tell you how hard a line it was to walk.

Soldiers will sit around whining about "how much this sucks", yucking it up, and after they retire will regale you with stories about all the stupid capers they got up to, and will mostly say "it wasn't that hard".


Marines are more a challenge and he'll get a lot more pride out of it, but Army is a little more fun ;)

Combat Arms WILL get deployed. Do not let any recruiter convince him that there's a chance he won't go. Enlisting right now will put you in harm's way. Period. (any guesses as to why I'm not a recruiter anymore ;) ...)

kg4kpg 10-14-2010 04:51 PM

As an ex-recruiter as well all I'll say is talk to recruiters from all branches and decide for his-self. All have their benefit and all have a reason or two to suck. All have changed a lot in the last decade, trying to adjust to an entitlement-society we've become I guess. I love the Army and it has done plenty for me. I have no ill feeling toward anyone from the other branches and have served with them all in and outside the wire. You get what you put into it in my opinion.

firefighter777 10-14-2010 04:54 PM

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Marines are more a challenge and he'll get a lot more pride out of it, but Army is a little more fun
that was one thing he specifically said.. that he didn't want to hate his life while he was in. That was one of the things more important and he actually wanted to enjoy it.

cpainter56 10-14-2010 05:28 PM

Neither, Coast Guard is the way to go.

Havok 10-14-2010 05:47 PM

in all seriousness any branch he goes into and he doesn't want to "suck" he has to put his all into. I have to agree with everyone, you get what you put in and make sure you know what you want before you sign anything all contracts are 8 years, found out the hard way... there will be good days and bad days, but the good will always be on your mind and the bad won't be so bad after it's all said and done (talk about basic here).

MadMaxx 10-14-2010 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by firefighter777 (Post 816899)
So my little brother wants to join the military after high school. He is thinking marines or army. Infantry/combat related jobs for either. He likes the Army but my family has a tradition in the Corps. Yet, he is hesitate to join the Marines because everyone he has talked to has had a bad experience. I have had friends in both and all in the Army enjoyed their time while some in the Marines counted down the days until they were out. So what's your thoughts or prior service experience. This is a big decision for him and I want him to get the most info so post and i'll have him read. Thanks all!


People who are serious about join the military join the Marines... those who just want to get money for college join the Army.

Seriously though... The Marines Corp ranks are much more disciplined than the Army, (thatís not to say that the Army are slouches) That is why you hear about people having a hard time in the Marines... they don't expect the high level of discipline and they tend to catch hell for it.

The Army is not much easier but is nowhere near as tough as the Marines.
Each branch has it's own mindset... some people fit in and some don't.

baja 10-14-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 818661)
I was USAF so I wasn't in either but I was attached to both the Army and Marines on TDY (temporary duty) and the Marines were certainly a more motivated bunch. The Army guys complained all the time & just had no pride in the Army. More elite units like the Army Rangers have a lot of pride but the run-of-the-mill Army guys I was with were just hating the Army. The Marines were so proud to be Marines that you could barely be around them when they got rolling. I did my best to not let any of them know I was USAF since I would have been ragged on mercilessly. :D

Thats cuz the marines are scared shitless that their drill seargent will hunt them down and beat their asses.OOORAH.

cavediverjc 10-14-2010 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMaxx (Post 820054)
People who are serious about join the military join the Marines... those who just want to get money for college join the Army.

Seriously though... The Marines Corp ranks are much more disciplined than the Army, (that’s not to say that the Army are slouches) That is why you hear about people having a hard time in the Marines... they don't expect the high level of discipline and they tend to catch hell for it.

The Army is not much easier but is nowhere near as tough as the Marines.
Each branch has it's own mindset... some people fit in and some don't.

Since you're comparing in absolutes, I'm assuming you've served in BOTH the Marines AND the Army? If not, how do you claim to know as much as you do about both?

Hey, I'll compare DD214s with anyone claiming the Army isn't very tough. God made snipers so Marines would have heros!! :D

Hendy 10-14-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cavediverjc (Post 820188)
Since you're comparing in absolutes, I'm assuming you've served in BOTH the Marines AND the Army? If not, how do you claim to know as much as you do about both?

Hey, I'll compare DD214s with anyone claiming the Army isn't very tough. God made snipers so Marines would have heros!! :D

That's funny considering Marine snipers are the premier snipers on the battlefield. Marine Corps scout sniper school has the highest attrition rate out of ALL DoD schools.

Don't get me wrong, all snipers are bad ass in my book!!! Chicks dig snipers :D

cavediverjc 10-14-2010 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hendy (Post 820204)
That's funny considering Marine snipers are the premier snipers on the battlefield. Marine Corps scout sniper school has the highest attrition rate out of ALL DoD schools.

Don't get me wrong, all snipers are bad ass in my book!!! Chicks dig snipers :D

I've had the opportunity to work with 3 different Marine sniper teams. We did a bit of cross-training. They may be REGARDED as the premier snipers, but MY OWN EYES proved that to be wrong. They were good enough to pass sniper school and become active snipers, but they weren't any better than the men I graduated with. Some were really not very impressive at all. But who knows, maybe I only saw the mediocre ones, not the premiere ones.... :D

And for the record, I don't want anyone to think I'm bashing on the Marines. I'm merely defending the bashing of the Army. That's all I'm doing.


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