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MTH 10-14-2010 09:32 PM

Soft top rear window problem (4 door)
 
Folks,

The front section of the rear windows of the soft top on my 2010 unlimited mountain edition often come loose and flap back at highway speeds. Does this happen to anybody else? I've seen it happen to others on the highway.

In other words, while the top and rear portions of the windows are of course secured by a zipper overlapped with Velcro, and the bottom is secured by a snug fitting plastic strip, the front portion of each window is apparently secured only by "pinching" the panel between the door and window frame. The gap between the door and the frame, however, is much too large to really "pinch" at all.

As near as I can tell, there's not much I can do about it without doing something aftermarket. If that's true, that's okay of course (it's a Jeep, duh!) and I'm open to any ideas! Thoughts? Comments?

Thanks for all your time--I'm a newbie but really excited to be here (and, naturally, to have a Wrangler).

MTH

ncossey 10-14-2010 09:36 PM

You are not securing your soft top into the door surrounds properly.

JDsDream 10-14-2010 09:37 PM

Do you have the door surrounds? The plastic strip that runs along the front section of your soft top windows go into the surrounds.

Oh and Welcome to Wrangler Forum.

MTH 10-14-2010 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MTH
Folks,

The front section of the rear windows of the soft top on my 2010 unlimited mountain edition often come loose and flap back at highway speeds. Does this happen to anybody else? I've seen it happen to others on the highway.

In other words, while the top and rear portions of the windows are of course secured by a zipper overlapped with Velcro, and the bottom is secured by a snug fitting plastic strip, the front portion of each window is apparently secured only by "pinching" the panel between the door and window frame. The gap between the door and the frame, however, is much too large to really "pinch" at all.

As near as I can tell, there's not much I can do about it without doing something aftermarket. If that's true, that's okay of course (it's a Jeep, duh!) and I'm open to any ideas! Thoughts? Comments?

Thanks for all your time--I'm a newbie but really excited to be here (and, naturally, to have a Wrangler).

MTH

Believe me, I'm really hoping the answer is "You're doing it wrong," but I don't think I am--unless the pieces on my Wrangler are wrong from the get go. Are "door surrounds" those black plastic pieces, about 4 inches wide, secured to the body of the vehicle, that lay under the front portion of the window and abut the door frame? If so, there's no place to slide in the plastic strip on the front of the window panel.

MTH 10-14-2010 09:47 PM

Sorry, didn't mean to quote myself there. Still learning this forum thing . . . .

daggo66 10-14-2010 09:53 PM

Yeah, you're doing it wrong. It doesn't "slide" in. Start the zipper about 2 inches. Fold the leading edgein a "U" shape and press it into the "C" channel of the door surround. Tuck the bottom plastic strip into the tub. Zip the zipper all the way around. watch this video completely. I definitely will show what you are doing wrong. No offense, but you're going to feel really dumb. The 5:40 mark is where it describes putting the windows in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPJ8bvt5h1o

MTH 10-14-2010 10:18 PM

Well I'll be--I guess I am doing it wrong. It's too dark here to try that now, but I'll give it a go in the morning.

Let me get this straight, though, first. The imbedded plastic strip in the front portion of the window actually bends vertically into a U shape so as to fit into the wide channel along the door surround?

I don't feel dumb really; that doesn't seem particularly intuitive. Regardless, if it works you guys made my day. Thanks again.

daggo66 10-14-2010 10:24 PM

Once you see it you're going to :doh:. Remember you have to tuck it in the "C" channel before zipping it all the way. Then go back and "smooth" it all the way in.

InfernoGirl 10-14-2010 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 820648)
Once you see it you're going to :doh:. Remember you have to tuck it in the "C" channel before zipping it all the way. Then go back and "smooth" it all the way in.

Ok, gonna try this tomorrow, cause we've been having the same problems with ours.... :( But I gotta say that since the ''C'' channel doesn't really clip in, it just sits there, I have no faith that this will make any difference....

derfC 10-15-2010 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MTH (Post 820641)
Well I'll be--I guess I am doing it wrong. It's too dark here to try that now, but I'll give it a go in the morning.

Let me get this straight, though, first. The imbedded plastic strip in the front portion of the window actually bends vertically into a U shape so as to fit into the wide channel along the door surround?

I don't feel dumb really; that doesn't seem particularly intuitive. Regardless, if it works you guys made my day. Thanks again.

I did the exact same thing the first time I put the windows back on. Once I realized my mistake & put them of properly (forming a U shape around the door surround channel), everything has been fine.

[edit] I've thrown together and attached a quick drawing of how the window hooks around the door surround. Looking at the door from the top, the rectangle represents the door surround & the U-shaped line is the window. Hope it helps

TDCoffee 10-15-2010 06:58 AM

The best way to describe the final result, is that the front edge of the side windows should be pointing towards the rear of the Jeep not across the jeep to the drivers or passenger's side

daggo66 10-15-2010 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by InfernoGirl (Post 820700)
Ok, gonna try this tomorrow, cause we've been having the same problems with ours.... :( But I gotta say that since the ''C'' channel doesn't really clip in, it just sits there, I have no faith that this will make any difference....

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Sorry, couldn't help myself. Trust me Linda, it works. Just start the zipper about an inch or 2, then tuck the edge into the C channel. You will form a U so that the leading edge faces the rear of the Jeep as you tuck it in. Once you zip everything up, smooth it down to make sure it's all the way in. That video is the best illustration of the process that I have seen. Just stop or slo-mo it at the 5:40 mark.

daggo66 10-15-2010 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TDCoffee (Post 820879)
The best way to describe the final result, is that the front edge of the side windows should be pointing towards the rear of the Jeep not across the jeep to the drivers or passenger's side


^This.

InfernoGirl 10-15-2010 08:58 AM

Thanks guys :) If this works my husband will be a very happy man..... :) And I will be a happy woman for not having to listen to the complaints about it... But why on earth would they not include some sort of instruction on this? Oh, wait, because the rest of the instructions sucked too....... :doh:

TR3YNGLER 10-15-2010 09:25 AM

I saw the channel that sure seemed like it would make sense for the front clip to fit into there but it seemed like there was no way the windows were long enough to have enough space to clip in that way. In fact, because I wasn't clipping into the c-channel first, there's no way to pull the window forward enough to even have a chance of having the plastic edge come close to fitting into that channel. Thanks for this! I will, once again be completely happy with my Jeep when this works properly! :D

MTH 10-15-2010 10:39 AM

Yep, it works.

It was derfC's picture that did it--the video was good, but it's tough to see what he's actually doing. Plus, as TR3YNGLER observed, it doesn't look like it should possibly fit that way. I too was zipping first, which meant it was basically impossible to torque the fronts of the windows forward enough to get into the C-channels. Hence the assumption in my initial post that the front portion of the window was just supposed to be "pinched" in doorjamb.

I can't believe InfernoGirl, TR3YNGLER, and I are the only folks to have had this problem. My windows were on wrong (I now know) at the dealership, which undoubtedly contributed to the problem. Had they been done right when I first took the car, I would've at least seen how they were supposed to be done when I took them off. (Although I would have driven myself insane--after zipping them back--trying to subsequently figure out how to get them back into the C-channel.)

Does anyone know how far back this design goes? I know there were top changes for 2010, but I thought they were primarily directed toward the rails along the top sides of the vehicle. Thanks again.

InfernoGirl 10-15-2010 11:06 AM

Yes it did work! :D You guys are geniuses! I've seen other posts about this, but until we got our JK, had no idea how goofy the design really was.... TJ's are sooo much better in that respect. ;)

TR3YNGLER 10-15-2010 11:08 AM

Yes, it worked for me just now also. However, I still have a bit of a beef with the designers as the top of the windows are still a hair too short compared to the bottom, so even when the channel is used properly, there's slack at the bottom front of the window and the top is just barely in place. With that, zipping the window up completely is now much, much more difficult as the top half of the zipper is pulled tight and the bottom half slacks up and bunches on you, making it very hard to zip. I'll take it though. I'd much rather have the tight seal at the door than an easy zip. I do think that the zipper will become messed up and unusable much sooner though.

gdub 10-15-2010 11:23 AM

tuck it in until the threads are barely (if at all) visible...

derfC 10-15-2010 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MTH (Post 821200)
Yep, it works.

It was derfC's picture that did it...


:punk:

daggo66 10-15-2010 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TR3YNGLER (Post 821241)
Yes, it worked for me just now also. However, I still have a bit of a beef with the designers as the top of the windows are still a hair too short compared to the bottom, so even when the channel is used properly, there's slack at the bottom front of the window and the top is just barely in place. With that, zipping the window up completely is now much, much more difficult as the top half of the zipper is pulled tight and the bottom half slacks up and bunches on you, making it very hard to zip. I'll take it though. I'd much rather have the tight seal at the door than an easy zip. I do think that the zipper will become messed up and unusable much sooner though.

You'll get the hang of it once you get past the fact that you made an ID-ten-T error.

ncossey 10-15-2010 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66

You'll get the hang of it once you get past the fact that you made an ID-ten-T error.

Hahahaha

MTH 10-15-2010 03:10 PM

Nonsense--definitely not an idiot error. Unless you previously owned a Jeep with windows that attached like this or, at the very least, the dealer had them installed the right way, I bet most folks would goof on this.

Think about it. Without any guidance at all and even though the dealer had them installed differently, you're supposed to identify the channel, know to only partially zip the window in before trying to insert the edge into the channel, etc.? On top of that, the design appears on its face to be meant to be "pinched" by the door, which looks to be just about a 1/4 inch too wide for the job.

If it was wrong when you got it and you never saw it done before, I see no reason to think most people would figure it out on their own. :bottom:

InfernoGirl 10-15-2010 04:12 PM

Exactly. My TJ windows make sense. These were brand new in box when we got it, and the instructions do not say anything about how to install this portion of the window.... :( Nothing idiotic about it, except the lack of proper documentation.

I am however very grateful that y'all were able to explain how it is supposed to be done. The description given by TDCoffee made it precisely clear what we were failing to do properly. Maybe you guys should go to work for MOPAR writing installation instructions, rather than the Taiwanese guy who's currently doing it.. :)

Brian2109 10-15-2010 05:29 PM

I did the exact same thing when I got my 2010. Jeep really needs to give better directions. I had a 1990 before, so it isn't that I've never owned a Jeep.

pleepleus 10-15-2010 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TR3YNGLER (Post 821241)
Yes, it worked for me just now also. However, I still have a bit of a beef with the designers as the top of the windows are still a hair too short compared to the bottom, so even when the channel is used properly, there's slack at the bottom front of the window and the top is just barely in place. With that, zipping the window up completely is now much, much more difficult as the top half of the zipper is pulled tight and the bottom half slacks up and bunches on you, making it very hard to zip. I'll take it though. I'd much rather have the tight seal at the door than an easy zip. I do think that the zipper will become messed up and unusable much sooner though.


You can periodically rub wax on the zipper to keep it working smoothly.

InfernoGirl 10-15-2010 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pleepleus (Post 821855)
You can periodically rub wax on the zipper to keep it working smoothly.

We have zipper lube, but these are brand new zippers.... Not been out of the box a month yet...

daggo66 10-15-2010 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by InfernoGirl (Post 821753)
Exactly. My TJ windows make sense. These were brand new in box when we got it, and the instructions do not say anything about how to install this portion of the window.... :( Nothing idiotic about it, except the lack of proper documentation.

I am however very grateful that y'all were able to explain how it is supposed to be done. The description given by TDCoffee made it precisely clear what we were failing to do properly. Maybe you guys should go to work for MOPAR writing installation instructions, rather than the Taiwanese guy who's currently doing it.. :)

What? No credit for me? I'm the one who told you guys you were doing it wrong and posted the video. All right so I might have implied you were all idiots, but that's just me.:D

InfernoGirl 10-15-2010 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by daggo66 (Post 822342)
What? No credit for me? I'm the one who told you guys you were doing it wrong and posted the video. All right so I might have implied you were all idiots, but that's just me.:D

:D And that might be why you didn't get credit........ just sayin'

MTH 10-16-2010 08:10 AM

Daggo's like the big brother who helps you out, but makes sure to get in a noogie while he's at it . . . . ;). Thanks to ALL.


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