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Red Wrangler 10-28-2010 07:30 PM

Flex!
 
the suspension on my TJ is stock but i want to get a little flex out of it when im wheeling. and i dont have the money for a lift yet. is there any cheap or even free way to get more flex without lifting? i heard that you can take off the sway bar. but is that a long/hard process? and can you put it back on after its off?
any advice helps. thanks.

Cons_Table 10-28-2010 07:50 PM

Get some quick disconnects or make some. That will disconnect the front sway bar which will help your flex. You dont want to permanently remove it because it wont be as safe on the road

03 RUBI 10-28-2010 08:42 PM

Quick discos make it easy to disconnect the sway bar for off road and then reconnect for on road. There have been some threads on here showing how to make your own for cheap(er).

Red Wrangler 10-28-2010 09:17 PM

alright thanks for the help.

97flexy 10-29-2010 01:25 PM

I took my swaybars off a few weeks ago. Flex is awesome, its got a super soft ride and its not too bad on the street, no sway bars means "you can't drive your Jeep like the sports car it isn't but drive like the Jeep it is". I haven't gottin to the trail since the sway bars came off. here are a few poser pix I like the TJ much better without the swaybars. just my 2cents

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2702/sspx2345.jpg

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7221/sspx2353.th.jpg

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7093/sspx2355.th.jpg

Hostile JEEP T.J 10-29-2010 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 03 RUBI
Quick discos make it easy to disconnect the sway bar for off road and then reconnect for on road. There have been some threads on here showing how to make your own for cheap(er).

WHERE IS THIS THREAD YOU SPEAK OF?? Lmao, but really I would like to know because I would like to learn how to make my own for my stock 05' TJ!

Jerry Bransford 10-29-2010 01:58 PM

I definitely would not run on the street with the antiswaybars disconnected. I drove back through my local mountains from offroading once with a broken rear antiswaybar link which disables the rear antiswaybar and the added body roll was significant enough that even the three Boy Scouts I had in my Jeep at the time noticed the difference. Having the front antswaybar disconnected too would make it even worse. And leave the rear antiswaybar connected even while offroading. It keeps things under control to reduce the likelihood of a roll or tipover while not reducing the rear axle's usable flex.

ParaCAD 10-29-2010 02:08 PM

found this....

http://www.4x4xplor.com/homediscos.html

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f19/che...tml#post430982

97flexy 10-29-2010 02:21 PM

call me crazy but I enjoy the big truck ride and sloppyness in the body roll never on one of my trucks have i used sway bars

Hostile JEEP T.J 10-29-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
I definitely would not run on the street with the antiswaybars disconnected. I drove back through my local mountains from offroading once with a broken rear antiswaybar link which disables the rear antiswaybar and the added body roll was significant enough that even the three Boy Scouts I had in my Jeep at the time noticed the difference. Having the front antswaybar disconnected too would make it even worse. And leave the rear antiswaybar connected even while offroading. It keeps things under control to reduce the likelihood of a roll or tipover while not reducing the rear axle's usable flex.

Hey Jerry do you know if I can get those parts to make my own disconnects at any hardware store? Thanks in advance

Jerry Bransford 10-29-2010 02:28 PM

Hostile Jeep TJ, I never bothered making a home made disco system since it only took me two minutes to remove the lower nuts that held my links on which disconnects the antiswaybar. I then used nylon zip ties to hold the antiswaybar up and out of the way afterwards. Later, I added quick discos from Tera but it wasn't long afterwards that I installed the Currie Antirock that eliminates the need to disconnect anything. :)

aelwero 10-29-2010 02:40 PM

While we're on the sway bar subject and Jerry's here, why are the sway bars not incorporated into the control arms? Or are they?

One of these days I'm going to wind up having some of that "spare" time and money stuff I keep hearing about and am going to off-roadify my DJ, and the concept of "swayed control arms" has crossed my mind many times.

snobrder540 10-29-2010 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ParaCAD (Post 848456)

i checked that out if i hadn't just ordered a set of discos i would deff give this mod a try. i used cotter pins to make a quick release for my soft top.

4Jeepn 10-29-2010 02:48 PM

As Jerry said, remove the nut flip the bar up and secure with zip ties. Takes just a few minutes.

Jerry Bransford 10-29-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aelwero (Post 848511)
While we're on the sway bar subject and Jerry's here, why are the sway bars not incorporated into the control arms? Or are they?

One of these days I'm going to wind up having some of that "spare" time and money stuff I keep hearing about and am going to off-roadify my DJ, and the concept of "swayed control arms" has crossed my mind many times.

Integrating the antiswaybar into the control arms? Nope, they are not integrated and I don't see any way that combination could be made to work. Especially since an antiswaybar connects the right side of the axle to its left side through the frame or body and control arms are not installed in such a way that could happen.

TJeepman 10-29-2010 03:03 PM

With proper tools and some knowhow, a sway bar link can be changed in 15 minutes, with the Jeep on the ground. Disconnecting one, at the bottom, will take a lot less than that for sure.

aelwero 10-29-2010 03:08 PM

Clevis pins in your suspension??? :eek:

Taking the nut off the bolt that's already there, and drilling a hole through the end of the bolt for the cotter pin would be

A) cheaper
B) WAY more dependable... (the bolt that's there was meant to be the permanent part after all)

Replacing your bolt with a clevis pin full of holes is not a good idea if you ask me... and the guy shows right there on the webpage that the clevis pins aren't up to the job... I'm all about macgyvering stuff but clevis pins are not a super great idea...

aelwero 10-29-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 848542)
Integrating the antiswaybar into the control arms? Nope, they are not integrated and I don't see any way that combination could be made to work. Especially since an antiswaybar connects the right side of the axle to its left side through the frame or body and control arms are not installed in such a way that could happen.

I meant in general :)

Is it done on ANY type of vehicle? If I get a "kit" for the DJ, I'll still have to fab it to make it fit... makes more sense to get bare materials and fab all of it (especially since I want to get actual axles intead of the stubby narrow track D44 it has now... it flops if I sneeze) I can think of several ways to incorporate a sway bar into the control arms, but since I've never heard of it, it makes me wonder why... Surely someone has thought of it and attempted it before and found a good reason not to do it...

or have they???

Sherpa 10-29-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford (Post 848445)
I definitely would not run on the street with the antiswaybars disconnected.

I agree that I wouldn't intentionally drive on the street without the front swaybar being connected. The rear bar, however, can be deleted if you desire. After all, many 4x4 vehicles and even some Jeeps came factory-equipped without a rear swaybar... which is why deleting the rear swaybar is always one of the first mods I make to my TJs.

To the OP: you can temporarily disconnect the rear bar by following suggestings in this thread. If you are okay with how it behaves, then go ahead and permanently remove it. If not, reconnect it.

Jerry Bransford 10-29-2010 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherpa (Post 848589)
I agree that I wouldn't intentionally drive on the street without the front swaybar being connected. The rear bar, however, can be deleted if you desire. After all, many 4x4 vehicles and even some Jeeps came factory-equipped without a rear swaybar... behaves, then go ahead and permanently remove it. If not, reconnect it.

Bad advice for the Wrangler TJ that has a coil spring suspension at all four corners. Vehicle that do ok without antiswaybar, like in the rear, are those with leaf spring suspensions that are highly stable in all directions other than up and down. Coil springs are unstable in all directions. It is best to leave the TJ's rear antiswaybar connected no matter what the conditions are. Front too if you have the right kind of antiswaybar for the conditions you are wheeling or driving in.

For those who are non-believers, notice that John Currie had both his front AND rear antiswaybars fully connected when he won the US National ARCA rock crawling championships. I took the below photos when I noticed even his championship level rock crawling TJ was running front and rear antiswaybars throughout the competition.

village idiot 10-29-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherpa (Post 848589)
deleting the rear swaybar is always one of the first mods I make to my TJs.

Anti swaybar keeps you rightside up better, I think if you get off camber you need at least the rear hooked up. I have factory rear and Currie front and everything still flexes to its max when it needs to.

Hostile JEEP T.J 10-29-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
Hostile Jeep TJ, I never bothered making a home made disco system since it only took me two minutes to remove the lower nuts that held my links on which disconnects the antiswaybar. I then used nylon zip ties to hold the antiswaybar up and out of the way afterwards. Later, I added quick discos from Tera but it wasn't long afterwards that I installed the Currie Antirock that eliminates the need to disconnect anything. :)

Jerry, exactly was is the currie antirock and what does it do? I've seen them on some rigs and in my JP mag but never really understood them and how they work or install!!

Jerry Bransford 10-29-2010 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hostile JEEP T.J (Post 848804)
Jerry, exactly was is the currie antirock and what does it do? I've seen them on some rigs and in my JP mag but never really understood them and how they work or install!!

Basically the Antirock helps balance the front and rear suspensions so they work better together than fighting each other as they do with the ultra-stiff OE antiswaybar or no antiswaybar at all (or disconnected. It can dramatically improve how much traction the tires can generate by keeping downforce on both tires on the axle which completely disconnecting the antiswaybar removes. It also helps keep the body under better control too which can make the difference in tipping or rolling on extremely off-camber or steep terrain.

John Currie himself explains it best on a video on how it works at CurrieTV : Featured CurrieTV // on the PowerTV Network but you'll kinda have to scroll through their available videos to find the one on their Antirock. I can't figure out how to give the URL to the specific video but it should only take a few seconds to find it by scrolling through the list.

A shorter but still very good description of what it does is at http://www.currieenterprises.com/ces...t.aspx?id=1188

yjkid95 10-29-2010 07:02 PM

So Jerry I just watched the video to me it sounded like the antirock swaybars help keep an equal amount of weight on each wheel while not compromising any suspension travel making it more stable and give it more traction on and offroad. Is that basically it. And that it does this through the basic principle of leverage? If I'm wrong you can just call me a dumba$$ if not then I guess im just a gena$$ :rofl:

Jerry Bransford 10-29-2010 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by yjkid95 (Post 848925)
So Jerry I just watched the video to me it sounded like the antirock swaybars help keep an equal amount of weight on each wheel while not compromising any suspension travel making it more stable and give it more traction on and offroad.

That pretty much covers it. :)

yjkid95 10-29-2010 07:17 PM

Hotdog. To bad they don't make it for a yj :banghead:

doughenry 10-29-2010 08:51 PM

I know alot of guys tell me I should change out my Currie set up for disco"s and I always tell them the currie is set up is made for all offroading I love it has great flex in my opinion. Hard to teach new tricks to some of the old dogs I run with.

Cons_Table 10-30-2010 12:04 AM

If you are interested in building your own discos, do not run the hitch pin clips...they are not strong enough and will just try to pull through and are a PITA to get off. I learned this through experience. Instead use something like this, they are much stronger and will not bend. Ive used a hitch pin and these clips for about 6 months and they hold up fine, and are quick.

http://174.123.135.195/uploads05/8/0/5437592295.jpg

Red Wrangler 10-30-2010 08:10 PM

what size are the torx and the wrench i use to remove the link on the sway bar?

monkeee2002 10-30-2010 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 97flexy (Post 848480)
call me crazy but I enjoy the big truck ride and sloppyness in the body roll never on one of my trucks have i used sway bars

OK, done.

I ran without the front left swaybar link for a month, and it drove me nuts. Not good on-road manners.


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