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billy_YJ 11-01-2010 08:45 PM

A valuable lesson... be careful guys!
 
The past few months I've been deciding on tire size, to lift, if so how much etc... After much deliberation many of you guys helped me realize that if I was going get anything, get what you want, or you will regret it. I went with the 4" Rough Country Lift & I'm rolling on Black Cragar Soft 8's(15x8) w/ 33" Good Year Duratracs. I LOVE my setup!

My story starts when I got my lift kit. I decided after looking over everything that I would be more comfortable having a professional do it. My skills do not go much past oil changes, plugs, wires, batteries, and I even did some disc brakes once under the guidance of my father when I was younger. Well, I found what seemed to be an amazing shop to install my lift. I scheduled an appointment and the count down began. When picking up the Jeep I could not shift into reverse, 4th, or 2nd gears. I knew exactly why as soon as I noticed it... It addresses this issue in the installation instructions. This was one of the reasons I took it to a "professional". They said "oops" and then fixed it by grinding a little metal off so that the shifter could have full range of motion... as I waited about 45 additional minutes.

Paid, left, came home to mount my 33" duratracs. Now I had the spare mounted and made it clear what I was going to be running. Wheeled it Sunday, had a blast. Drove it on the highway and was very pleased with the performance and speed even in 5th gear with those huge tires!

Monday morning, driving to a doctors appointment... hit the brakes and OMG... it bottoms out, nothing, NO BRAKES!!! After some near misses I gear down then apply my E brake one click at a time until I come to a safe stop on I-85. IT WAS NOT PRETTY! Got out looked and immediately noticed the front right brake line(which had been relocated) had a whole rubbed in it from my tire. They towed it, replaced the brake line, apologized, and I drove it home with out problems. Scared me TO DEATH.

Their inexperience with suspension lifts was the reason they did not "test" clearance with the wheel/tire I was going to be running. The brake line probably did not rub the factory wheels that were on it when they did the lift.

I learned a lesson myself. I am responsible for my Jeep & all mods... if you allow someone else to work on your rig check & double check behind them.

MOD RESPONSIBLY, this could have been ugly! I wanted to share, thanks for reading.

-Billy

Schmo 11-01-2010 08:50 PM

Yup . . . just seems like it's better to do it yourself anymore vs. getting a shop to do it. Glad you didn't get killed.

distortedtj 11-01-2010 08:52 PM

Well, that's no good. And Glad you are ok bud.

billy_YJ 11-01-2010 08:55 PM

hey check out pic # 16 on my profile... I SHOULD have noticed this when mounting tires/wheels... but I was so excited... Being a newbie I didn't know to check for these things.

Schmo 11-01-2010 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy_YJ (Post 853529)
hey check out pic # 16 on my profile... I SHOULD have noticed this when mounting tires/wheels... but I was so excited... Being a newbie I didn't know to check for these things.

Holy crap dude . . . yeah that's not good. Do yourself a favor and spend some time under your Jeep giving everything a good once over . . . with the issues you've described, I'd want to make sure the surprises are over with . . . doesn't look like the shop knew what the hell they were doing. Seems like remove and replace, plug and play, is all most shops are any good for anymore.

ESP 11-01-2010 10:01 PM

wow man I'm really glad that you weren't hurt or anybody else was either! That's some scary stuff. How is everything now on your Jeep? Did it get done to your approval this time? You gotta go wheelin with us soon so I hope it's ok ;)

billy_YJ 11-01-2010 10:13 PM

Thanks Jude! Yeah it's all good now... but what a day!

Let me know when you guys are heading out again, I'm there!

mrcarcrazy 11-02-2010 08:30 AM

Glad you are okay, def. a close call. Much closer than I'd be comfortable with.

Sad part for most people who allow others to work on their vehicles is that they (the owner) don't know enough about vehicles to know what to look at as to how to double check the work.

anywho, glad you are still alive.

Walkingstick 11-02-2010 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy_YJ
The past few months I've been deciding on tire size, to lift, if so how much etc... After much deliberation many of you guys helped me realize that if I was going get anything, get what you want, or you will regret it. I went with the 4" Rough Country Lift & I'm rolling on Black Cragar Soft 8's(15x8) w/ 33" Good Year Duratracs. I LOVE my setup!

My story starts when I got my lift kit. I decided after looking over everything that I would be more comfortable having a professional do it. My skills do not go much past oil changes, plugs, wires, batteries, and I even did some disc brakes once under the guidance of my father when I was younger. Well, I found what seemed to be an amazing shop to install my lift. I scheduled an appointment and the count down began. When picking up the Jeep I could not shift into reverse, 4th, or 2nd gears. I knew exactly why as soon as I noticed it... It addresses this issue in the installation instructions. This was one of the reasons I took it to a "professional". They said "oops" and then fixed it by grinding a little metal off so that the shifter could have full range of motion... as I waited about 45 additional minutes.

Paid, left, came home to mount my 33" duratracs. Now I had the spare mounted and made it clear what I was going to be running. Wheeled it Sunday, had a blast. Drove it on the highway and was very pleased with the performance and speed even in 5th gear with those huge tires!

Monday morning, driving to a doctors appointment... hit the brakes and OMG... it bottoms out, nothing, NO BRAKES!!! After some near misses I gear down then apply my E brake one click at a time until I come to a safe stop on I-85. IT WAS NOT PRETTY! Got out looked and immediately noticed the front right brake line(which had been relocated) had a whole rubbed in it from my tire. They towed it, replaced the brake line, apologized, and I drove it home with out problems. Scared me TO DEATH.

Their inexperience with suspension lifts was the reason they did not "test" clearance with the wheel/tire I was going to be running. The brake line probably did not rub the factory wheels that were on it when they did the lift.

I learned a lesson myself. I am responsible for my Jeep & all mods... if you allow someone else to work on your rig check & double check behind them.

MOD RESPONSIBLY, this could have been ugly! I wanted to share, thanks for reading.

-Billy

I-85? What state are you in?
How do those tires perform offroad?
Ive only usedthem in mud

mrcarcrazy 11-02-2010 09:05 AM

He's in NC, look under join date, and above # of posts....where yours says something about a cardboard box.

T2000J 11-02-2010 10:04 AM

Got to love being able to down shift with the ebrake on a hand lever .. Dog ran out in front of me 2 weeks ago locked it up got stopped then got to a stop sign and no breaks . The front passenger side line blow out . 10 miles from home so gears and ebrake just held the button in on the ebrake just worked it up and down.. Put all new lines on I like being able to do the work myself then there is no question on how things are installed ...And of corse it was the hardest line to do because it gose around the 2 front body mounts

turdhurdler 11-02-2010 08:22 PM

What have you "or the shop" done to keep the brake line from rubbing the tire again? I had the same problem and simply put a zip tie from the brake line around the shock, giving room for movement but not enought to tough the sidewall. Glad you are OK.

Jeff

harwa004 11-02-2010 08:25 PM

Oh no, Billy. I wish I could have gotten you hooked up with Nick to do it. I85 and no brakes in our neck of the woods....could have been really bad.

billy_YJ 11-02-2010 08:47 PM

Shell,
I never heard back from you, and HAD to have it done! lol Fortunately it was AFTER rush hour... a little after 9am, but STILL very scarey.

billy_YJ 11-02-2010 08:51 PM

Jeff,
the brake line they replaced LOOKS shorter, but I also noticed the relocating bracket is facing a different direction so that the bend in the slack is forward, instead of towards the tire(like in pic #16 on my profile)... interesting, huh? The brake line on the other side does not rub at full turn either way, and has no rub marks, so I let it be.

harwa004 11-02-2010 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy_YJ (Post 855491)
Shell,
I never heard back from you, and HAD to have it done! lol Fortunately it was AFTER rush hour... a little after 9am, but STILL very scarey.

:( I'm sorry! It wasn't for lack of trying, Billy. I just got my radio installed Sunday night. He is a very good mechanic, but slammed with work and hard to get in to see.

beefmobile 11-02-2010 09:08 PM

A real good trick that I use for keeping the brake lines at bay is those carburetor springs. Attach one to the frame or body then the other to the brake line. That way, at level riding, the lines are pulled up, but when you go over things and the suspension flexes, the spring flexes with it allowing everything to move at free will, yet controlled.

s1234 11-05-2010 01:03 AM

Billy - Shell is a great lady, I just think she is either overworked, just super busy, or maybe Nick is too busy (sounds like the later is the case from Shell's message above). I've been waiting for a couple of weeks to coordinate meeting Nick and test riding Shell's Jeep at the same time. I'm also making other plans for my mods, no worries...

Glad your ok Billy, hope to ride with you sometime soon.

Ageless Stranger 11-05-2010 01:57 AM

Glad you're ok. That's bad news, but I'm glad they at least owned up to their mistakes and made it right.

doughenry 11-06-2010 02:45 PM

Always best to do installs yourself with research and mybe with a buddies help.


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