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bobjenkins 11-08-2010 04:58 PM

help with winter clothes
 
Im going to buy some cold weather clothes. living in AZ I never needed them and when I did go play in the snow I would wear 12 layers.

Anyone have any suggestions on some kind of jacket? And how is under armours cold gear base layers? Looking for low activity gear like sitting around in a camp or some light hiking.

I was thinking something like this
Amazon.com: Columbia Super Bugaboo Parka Mens: Clothing: Reviews, Prices & more

as I said ive no experience with any of this. I do need a hood and an outer shell tahts water resistant. That ones nice because it has 3 layers. looking for something no more than 150. and its not going to be lower than 0F. Im pretty lost in all of this. I see some for 500 bucks and some for 99 and I dont know the difference.

That one I posted above I seen it at the store and put it on. But if I do buy on amazon I can always return it if I dont like it.

toshpate 11-08-2010 05:12 PM

columbia is good. So is northface but pricey so is underarmour.

InfernoGirl 11-08-2010 05:21 PM

If you have access to a Sam's club, check their stuff, hubby swears by anything with a fleece lining and nylon type outer shell, the nylon cuts the wind and the fleece retains body heat. Underarmor is good, but personally I prefer old fashioned thermals... But, I'm old school, heck, I'm just plain old. :) Hoods and mittens are a must, and cozy socks, dry boots are a bonus.

toshpate 11-08-2010 05:24 PM

yep love my goretex army boots. Hell all my winter army stuff it's what I play in the snow in ha ha

cavediverjc 11-08-2010 05:26 PM

Northface

YJjeep 11-08-2010 05:27 PM

Carhartt is my jacket! Very warm and durable.

GREEN-MACHINE 11-08-2010 05:40 PM

i have a harley davidson heated coat for sale will keep you at 72 deg with temps in the teen's, just plug it into the cig outlet.

InvertChaos 11-08-2010 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by YJjeep (Post 865823)
Carhartt is my jacket! Very warm and durable.

this ^

I love my Carhartt. It's very watm without being too thick, water resistant (even though it's made of canvas), and even warm when the shell is soaked. You also don't have to worry about getting it dirty because it's durable and purpose built (just like your jeep!).

during the snow-pacalapse here is VA last year all I wore in the snow was 8" leather water proof work boots lined with thinsulate, jeans, long sleave cold gear under armour knock off, my carhartt, and under armour beanie, and HEAD water proof gloves lined with thinsulate. The only time I got cold was when my jeans got wet. Even then it wasn't too bad. Then again I'm young so maybe I can take cold weather better :P

jcf 11-08-2010 09:25 PM

I have the womens edition of the bugaboo by Columbia & it's a real good jacket ( I paid $135 for mine tho') Others to consider are any LLBean. They have very warm & rainproof gear that looks great

redjeeper 11-08-2010 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by YJjeep (Post 865823)
Carhartt is my jacket! Very warm and durable.

^ seems like im always to late to post haha. carhartts are the best.

1SAS 11-08-2010 09:47 PM

Look, if you are serious about winter gear, you need to think about GORETEX and THINSULATE. All the other stuff is for yuppies whose idea of being in the snow, is snow skiing in Colorado once or twice a year. You want something that is definitely waterproof and is proven reliable. You want great insulation without the weight. You also want to be able to regulate the warmth. GORETEX was used by Special Forces since the mid 1970s. It works. PERIOD. Thinsulate is Dupont's answer to Goose Down. It works.

I have had my Goretex jacket from Cabela's for almost twenty years. It is still almost brand new. Now, I would suggest you think about a winter coat that you could last in if the worst case scenario happened. That is how I buy coats. Those other coats mentioned are decent but I trust what I wear because I have been in the thick of it before. I would upgrade my budget to $250-300. And ask yourself, is my life worth that? That jacket will last you 10+ years. You can afford $30 a year for a coat that could save your life, can't you?

The other thing about this combination is you can wear it in 40˚F without feeling "too hot" because your sweat vapor goes right through the jacket. (Now obviously if you are going to do heavy work in it, you will have to adjust your clothing and such.) Now, you can also have it in -30˚F as long as you are wearing polar fleece under it. You will be amazed how truly warm you are. It is well worth the money. Look up Cabella's on the internet. They truly give you a great product for the price.

Take care, and don't get suckered into buying cheap when your life may be on the line. I was in those situations and GORETEX/THINSULATE combination kept me going when others dropped. Don't skimp on your life.

whiteyj 11-08-2010 09:52 PM

My personal preference is the Mountain Hardware brand. Layers are most important. Also as stated you need something on the outer with Goretex.

schnutzy 11-08-2010 09:55 PM

L.L. Bean FTW
all my current gear is a mix of stuff i got from the Bean and a jacket from Carhartt.
There is no need to go all crazy and spend hundreds of dollars on the hardcore cold weather gear. I used to be a hardcore backpacker, ive got all the hardcore gear. i havent used it in years. most the time its just a fleece liner and my Carhartt jacket, maybe some gloves and a hat. that has worked out great for me, even in temps as low as the high 20s, colder an d i just put on something like under armor. and im not some one who enjoys the cold weather.

evilray 11-09-2010 11:30 AM

Its been said here before, but carhartt all the way. I've worked outside all day in mine with sleet and rain to where the outer surface actually had ice building up on it, and was still warm and dry under it, all for around $100.

Gate53 11-09-2010 11:51 AM

You also have a bonus, this will be the worst winter for you as your blood will thicken up before next year and things will be better. I hear a good Red Wine is godd for helping the blood to thicken. Enjoy! I hunted for years in nporthern IL with carhart, outside all day long sitting in a tree stand. Just used thin layers under it.

Schwheelz 11-09-2010 11:59 AM

Ive climbed over 15 mountains over 14,000 feet, i have my own ice equipment and a plathura of jackets for a variety of tempatures, i usually base it from which jackets are good around zero then what jackets are good in the cold weather below -15

Best jacket ive ever had is my mountain hardware down jacket then a waterproof shell

Layering is the most important, dont get anything under armour unless its the long underwear, if you need help making decisions with what to pack then send me a pm with questions more than happy to help:)

bobjenkins 11-09-2010 12:03 PM

Which carhartt jackets are you talking about can you recommend a specific one?

1sas as much as Id love to drop the money on something with thinsulate at the moment I cant afford it. youre right though ! My dads got a 150 gram thinsulate parka he takes when we go hunting. I dont think its possible to get cold in it

bobjenkins 11-09-2010 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Schwheelz (Post 867196)
Ive climbed over 15 mountains over 14,000 feet, i have my own ice equipment and a plathura of jackets for a variety of tempatures, i usually base it from which jackets are good around zero then what jackets are good in the cold weather below -15

Best jacket ive ever had is my mountain hardware down jacket then a waterproof shell

Layering is the most important, dont get anything under armour unless its the long underwear, if you need help making decisions with what to pack then send me a pm with questions more than happy to help:)

Hey thanks for the info. you got any quick tips for winter camping? Ivenever camped in snow before and theres alot of little useful tips that would be a great help if I know before going. like bring a mousepad to keep your camp stove from melting into the snow:D. Ive camped at low temps in the low teens but there wasnt any snow on the ground. that changes everythgin. and makes it funner! because of course you can get naked and roll around in the snow!!:punk:


BTW im planning on taking jeans and some cheap gaiters from the store. I hear jeans are a bad pick for cold. any other cheap solution in place of buying water resistant pants_?

schnutzy 11-09-2010 12:07 PM

this is the carhartt jacket i have
Carhartt - Product - Men’s Duck Active Jac/Thermal Lined

Se7endust1 11-09-2010 12:10 PM

I just bought all new snowboarding gear...which may or may not be what you are looking for. It's definitely warm stuff though. Most of the big name brands have (or a type of) gortex or thinsulate that everyone here is ranting about. You can run water from a faucet over my Burton jacket and the water rolls right off. dogfunk.com is where I got my stuff... sort by price or % off and you're bound to find some good deals.

Schwheelz 11-09-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bobjenkins

Hey thanks for the info. you got any quick tips for winter camping? Ivenever camped in snow before and theres alot of little useful tips that would be a great help if I know before going. like bring a mousepad to keep your camp stove from melting into the snow:D. Ive camped at low temps in the low teens but there wasnt any snow on the ground. that changes everythgin. and makes it funner! because of course you can get naked and roll around in the snow!!:punk:

BTW im planning on taking jeans and some cheap gaiters from the store. I hear jeans are a bad pick for cold. any other cheap solution in place of buying water resistant pants_?

Jeans are the absolute WORST thing to wear, buy a pair of rain pants from walmart and get wool leggings, when weight is not as much of an issue i usually just wear my polyester zipoffs, but make sure to wear gaitors and bring extra WOOL socks haha, a helpful pointer.. Cut out a small piece of plastic tarp to match your tent, and put it underneath the tent, you will wake up to a very wet sleeping bag in the middle of the night if you dont. I realize tents are supposedly waterproof, but ive experianced it firsthand

Schwheelz 11-09-2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Schwheelz

Jeans are the absolute WORST thing to wear, buy a pair of rain pants from walmart and get wool leggings, when weight is not as much of an issue i usually just wear my polyester zipoffs, but make sure to wear gaitors and bring extra WOOL socks haha, a helpful pointer.. Cut out a small piece of plastic tarp to match your tent, and put it underneath the tent, you will wake up to a very wet sleeping bag in the middle of the night if you dont. I realize tents are supposedly waterproof, but ive experianced it firsthand

Oh yeah and forget the mousepad thats just useless weight, it will soak up water and add a couple of ounces when your packing up (not helpful in the long run) just set your stove on top of a rock its cheaper and less things to carry

schnutzy 11-09-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Schwheelz (Post 867238)
Jeans are the absolute WORST thing to wear, buy a pair of rain pants from walmart and get wool leggings, when weight is not as much of an issue i usually just wear my polyester zipoffs, but make sure to wear gaitors and bring extra WOOL socks haha, a helpful pointer.. Cut out a small piece of plastic tarp to match your tent, and put it underneath the tent, you will wake up to a very wet sleeping bag in the middle of the night if you dont. I realize tents are supposedly waterproof, but ive experianced it firsthand

i like the synthetic socks over the wool, i got mine cheaper then my wool socks, and they work just as well, and sty a little more dry when playing outside.

with the tarp, a lot of the times you dont even need to cut it up, just get one that is the same size as your tent, and having the little holes at the ends makes it nice cause you can stake it down with your tent.there are specialty ground flys you can get for tents, but those normally are not worth it unless you are really trying to cut weight down. but thats at the extreme level that very few people actually need.

schnutzy 11-09-2010 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Schwheelz (Post 867243)
Oh yeah and forget the mousepad thats just useless weight, it will soak up water and add a couple of ounces when your packing up (not helpful in the long run) just set your stove on top of a rock its cheaper and less things to carry

X2
in all the years of snow camping i have done. i have never had a stove melt threw the snow. i have even used snow to make a base to kinda craddle a stove.

Schwheelz 11-09-2010 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by schnutzy

i like the synthetic socks over the wool, i got mine cheaper then my wool socks, and they work just as well, and sty a little more dry when playing outside.

with the tarp, a lot of the times you dont even need to cut it up, just get one that is the same size as your tent, and having the little holes at the ends makes it nice cause you can stake it down with your tent.there are specialty ground flys you can get for tents, but those normally are not worth it unless you are really trying to cut weight down. but thats at the extreme level that very few people actually need.

I have one of those ground fly's for my big agnes 2person, im pretty sure its 2lb 8 ounces overall

adkjoe 11-09-2010 12:37 PM

If your not getting wet layer cotton and wool. It's all about dead air space man. The more pockets of air you create in the clothes you layer the warmer your body stays. You don't want things that are to tight and you don't want to loose either because then you have more space to heat. as long as you layer properly you can stay warm enough with a sweatshirt.

Trust me I know cold up here :) Single digits and below zero are pretty normal from late December to February in the mountains here. I've got a Marmot "never summer" sleeping bag that's rated to -20 degrees and I still layer in that, that's how cold it gets sometimes but I love it. I camp all winter long.

schnutzy 11-09-2010 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Schwheelz (Post 867262)
I have one of those ground fly's for my big agnes 2person, im pretty sure its 2lb 8 ounces overall

i just use a 6x8 tarp for my two person, and it may be a couple ounces heavier then that. the only time i like those over a normal tarp is when im hammock camping. cause those special ground flys let a bit more light through them. for some reason i prefer that to cover my hammock over a normal, opaque tarp.

adkjoe 11-09-2010 12:47 PM

I do a lot of long distance hiking and just like everything else it depends what your doing and where your going, I'm anal about every ounce I pack. The last trip I took was 180 mile hike over 11 days and my pack was around 17 pounds +/- a pound While cotton/down is warmer than synthetic materials it's useless when it gets wet unlike synthetic/fleece material. In a place like AZ I would stay with a good down jacket and some cotton layers. Up here I use a down sleeping bag but I have to be very careful to keep it dry in wet new England because it looses all insulating properties when it's wet. Like I said above it's all about creating dead air space between layer for your body to heat up, you can buy a 100$ jacket and be just as warm as you would have with a $500 jacket if you dress properly.

Peepers 11-09-2010 12:53 PM

Cabelas, carhartt, LL bean, duluth trading company. these are all good companies to look into.

jeepjones 11-09-2010 01:27 PM

Goretex is great if your moving around, if your just sitting in camp you'll end up being cold. Of all the years I've worked & played outside all winter I have a little advice. Base layers are very important & should be worn as close to your skin as possible (UnderArmour, lightweight fleece,polypropylene,polyester) never wear anything made of COTTON. Cotton absorbs and holds moisture which is your enemy in the cold, even socks. I've had friends get hypothermia while sitting around a campfire in the winter because they wore cotton layers. Even with all the new fancy fabrics and technology I have found that WOOL and DOWN are far superior cold weather materials. Wool will insulate even when it's soaking wet and Down just can't be beat for cold weather insulation. As for Carhart, it also has it's place, I've worn Carhart Arctic insulated bib pants for each of my 8yrs working outdoors in as low as -50 celsius, and as long as you have your base layers you should be good to go. Just remember they have a cotton canvas outer material that will get wet and stay wet/frozen but the inner layers are polyester so like wool it will retain it's insulating properties, the same goes for their jackets, the only drawback to Carhart is the weight and bulkiness of their products which are designed for work. Canadian Army Surplus has some of the Best ARCTIC survival gear in the world (I would hope so), so if you have access to it you can't better for your buck. So stay away from cotton, fleece and most synthetic fabric's are your friends, wool is very warm even when wet and a water repellant jacket insulated with down is your warmest and best insulator (it's what the wear when they climb MT Everest). Sorry for the long post but it could save your life.


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