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outlaw26 11-15-2010 08:00 AM

lockers?
 
Which is the best locker to go with? looking to do both my front and back, this is every day to ad from work vehicle so dont want any thing that may give me handling issues.

Jerry Bransford 11-15-2010 08:46 AM

Do you regularly encounter icy or snow-covered roads during the winter? Do you have a Dana 35c or a Dana 44 rear axle? What type of wheeling do you do? We need to know those bits of information before a good locker recommendation can be made. :)

XJ Knight 11-15-2010 08:46 AM

^ that... But based on your comment about road handiling it seems like you will be wanting a selectable locker versus an auto locker

outlaw26 11-15-2010 08:50 AM

I live in southern Louisiana so i dont get to see snoe too often, I got the d 44 rear d 30 front, most of my wheeling around here is deep mud through the woods, but plan on taking some trips to play in the rocks. I will be regearing also to prob 4.88s, I have 33s now but plan on going to 35s

530ktm 11-15-2010 08:59 AM

My thoughts - If this is a daily driver you may want to go with a selectable locker in the rear and a lunch box style in front. Lunch box in front is more economical and when in 2 wheel drive you can not notice it is even up there but it kicks in once you put it in 4 wheel drive. A selectable in the rear is perhaps a better choice if this is a daily driver because you will have no ill effects on the road but then off road you can engage the locker. I have a Detroit in my rear and there is some noticeable mannerism on the pavement but nothing I have not been able to overcome. Some people are not as adaptable as I am from what I have read. Selectable lockers are a bit more expensive and have more complexity to them over the Detroit as well. Hope this helps you.

Jerry Bransford 11-15-2010 09:00 AM

In those conditions, nearly any type of locker will be fine. The ultimate locker is the selectable ARB Air Locker that you can turn on and off but there are others that are good too.

I have f/r selectable lockers in my present Rubicon but I actually preferred my last TJ's rear automatic Detroit Locker for most conditions. It had an automatic lunchbox style No-Slip locker up front which worked fine too. An automatic front locker creates zero/nada/no steering issues at all on the street when in 2wd on the TJ. They can on other 4x4 vehicles but not the TJ.

I would not install any (!) kind of lunchbox locker into the rear axle except perhaps the No-Slip which offers fewer handling issues on the street than any of the other lunchbox lockers (Lockright, Aussie, EZ-Locker) do. Such lockers perform fine in the front axle though and, again, give no handling issues on the street so long as you are in 2wd.

So really it's all about your budget. If your budget is unlimited, it'd be hard to beat an ARB Air Locker in the rear, perhaps front too but there are other lockers that work fine in the front. Detroit Locker works great up front if you need ultimate front locker strength which is similar in strength to the ARB Air Locker.

4.88 will be ideal for 35" tires for most engines and transmissions, what model year, engine, and transmission do you have? That 4.88 recommendation may change depending on your transmission type.

Those are some first thoughts, they will at least get you thinking and asking more questions.

outlaw26 11-15-2010 09:32 AM

Thanks for the info. I'm running a 5 speed 4.0. I'm familar with a detroit have/had them in my race cars and hot rods. They do pop and jerk when turning was wondering howd that effect these short wheel base vehicles. I'm am not familar with a lunch box type, can u shed some more light on what they are and how they work please

Jerry Bransford 11-15-2010 09:38 AM

Older Detroit Lockers earned a terrible reputation for what you described. However, the current generation Detroit Locker that has been out since the TJ came out in 1996, also called the Detroit "Softlocker", are very well behaved on the street. I put something like 120K on my daily driver TJ that had a rear Detroit Locker and only very rarely would it remind me of its presence. Of all the available automatic lockers, the Detroit locker is by far the most well behaved on the street. :)

outlaw26 11-15-2010 10:02 AM

The softlocker will be fully locked when whelling offroad? Any more info or experiences with auto lockers or lunch box as u called them for the front

MikeMTJ 11-15-2010 10:13 AM

Home page - Aussie Lockers - Welcome to Torq Masters Home of the Aussie Locker

I run one of those in the TJ. It's always worked well for me. Mine is in the rear.

XJ Knight 11-15-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeMYJ (Post 877135)
Home page - Aussie Lockers - Welcome to Torq Masters Home of the Aussie Locker

I run one of those in the TJ. It's always worked well for me. Mine is in the rear.

x2 for a auto locker you can't beat Aussie.. I had one in the rear of my XJ.. Amazing product and best investment I ever made when I had my cherokee...

Jerry Bransford 11-15-2010 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw26 (Post 877114)
The softlocker will be fully locked when whelling offroad? Any more info or experiences with auto lockers or lunch box as u called them for the front

An automatic locker's normal mode is to be locked. It unlocks to allow the outside wheel in a turn to rotate faster than the inside wheel when you are turning left or right. Once the turn is complete, the outside wheel locks up again. The inside wheel is the driving wheel during a turn, it does not unlock. Think of a ratchet wrench... you turn the socket with the handle and the socket is forced to turn in synch with the handle... but you can rotate the socket itself faster than the ratchet wrench which causes it to click as the socket rotates faster than the handle. That's what happens with an automatic locker.

Lunchbox lockers go inside the differential's gear case, they are physically small so they can fit inside there. Examples of lunchbox lockers include the Aussie, Lockright, No-Slip, and EZ-Locker. They are strong but not as strong as a full case locker that replaces the case entirely. Full case lockers include the Detroit Locker, ARB Air Locker, Ox Locker, E-Locker, ECTED, and a few others.

Any front automatic locker does fine on a TJ and it causes no steering or other issues when you are driving on the street in 2wd.

outlaw26 11-15-2010 11:45 AM

thanks for the info guys i will post what i decide and hoe i like it

Splnkr 11-15-2010 02:46 PM

Well, here's my two cents worth. Drop an Aussie locker in the from diff first. As many have stated, you will not know it is there daily driving in 2WD. Pop that baby into 4W and leave the world of one wheel that just sits there while another spins into oblivion goodbye! Best $250 (shipped even!) I ever spent on the Jeep, the best mod by far. And, easy to install (shameless video plug http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEWYMuWOJws). My Aussie performs so well for me, I really don't know if it is worth even locking the rear.

KeeblerKO 11-15-2010 03:58 PM

Auto lockers take a little getting used to, but after a day or two you're good to go. I've got Lock Rights front and back in mine and had to adjust my driving style a bit to avoid the pops and bangs that sound like you just F'd up the diff.

-Avoid sharp, low-speed turns (parking lot type stuff).
-Either coast or give it a little bit of gas through the complete turn, not 1/2 way through.
-Don't try and jump across oncoming traffic making a left hand turn...just wait till you have the room to do it without gunning the gas.
-And my favorite. If you're on the line between say 2nd or 3rd gear (especially coming out of a turn), take 3rd. Unless you like riding in the rodeo. Cause that Jeep's gonna buck. :cool:

KipTJ 11-15-2010 06:29 PM

Hi guys, is there a significant advantage of having lockers in snow and mud? Or are they primarily used for uneven terrain(rock crawlin)? Very new to this stuff.

MikeMTJ 11-15-2010 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KipTJ (Post 877834)
Hi guys, is there a significant advantage of having lockers in snow and mud? Or are they primarily used for uneven terrain(rock crawlin)? Very new to this stuff.

There is a huge advantage having lockers in the mud/snow. If one wheel is spinning in mud, the torque is moved to the wheel that is spinning. The other wheel is just sitting there...doing nothing. With a locker, both tires are moving at the same speed, basically doubling your traction. It doesn't make you invincible, but it really helps a lot.

KipTJ 11-15-2010 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeMYJ (Post 877845)
There is a huge advantage having lockers in the mud/snow. If one wheel is spinning in mud, the torque is moved to the wheel that is spinning. The other wheel is just sitting there...doing nothing. With a locker, both tires are moving at the same speed, basically doubling your traction. It doesn't make you invincible, but it really helps a lot.

Thanks Mike

I have a D44 (tracloc, or whatever it's called)rear and D30 front and was thinking of putting an aussie in the front. Do you think it's worth doing? Mainly for winter driving and some mud(if i can find some). Or would a rear install be better?


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