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cpisani89 12-13-2010 05:20 PM

high strength axles
 
im still determined to run 35s lol. If I replace my crappy stock 27 spline d35 axles with the alloy usa 30 spline kit will this be enough to handle the 35's?

also does anyone have experience installing these? if so how hard is it..

hannahuffster 12-13-2010 06:57 PM

It would probably be cheaper now to pick up a salvage 8.8 (97 or newer ford exploder) and do a conversion (they are all over for 250.00-350.00) + gears (if you have a i6). I dont know what shafts exactly you are looking at but price is probably about the same. Plus any more you would spend on an 8.8 would compensate for your new rear disk brake set-up.

cpisani89 12-13-2010 07:00 PM

yea i looked into doing an axle swap...found a good price for a dana 44 but i dont want to go through welding the perches and whatnot. figured itd be easier to just stick with the 35 and do some upgrades to it

edmond 12-13-2010 07:59 PM

You are going to get a lot of opinions on this. I ran 35's with the stock D35 for a couple of years without isssues, but I didn't push it. Having said that, a member of our club broke their D35 with only 33" tires... I think if you upgrade the shafts, you will be OK but it depends how hard you wheel... the tubes are also prone to bending so you may also want to look into an axle truss.

cpisani89 12-13-2010 08:12 PM

yeah i was reading about that earlier i have another thread about the 30 spline upgrade and gearing questions bc im so lost if i have to use a locker or a different carrier for 4.56 gears

MoA 12-13-2010 10:31 PM

i got a d44 for 1000$ shipped from Virginia to Indiana

8.8 would be nice too.. but isnt bolt up obviously..

MoA 12-14-2010 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cpisani89 (Post 922076)
yea i looked into doing an axle swap...found a good price for a dana 44 but i dont want to go through welding the perches and whatnot. figured itd be easier to just stick with the 35 and do some upgrades to it

whats the d44 out of?

shrubeck 12-14-2010 03:49 PM

The 30 spline shafts for the d35 are pretty strong. The weakness is the housing, carrier, and gears. But if you take it easy it can be wheeled with 35s.

Gate53 12-14-2010 04:05 PM

It's all in how hard you push it a friend blew out a D60 axel shaft this summer with 35's

jeepinmichguy 12-14-2010 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 923525)
The 30 spline shafts for the d35 are pretty strong. The weakness is the housing, carrier, and gears. But if you take it easy it can be wheeled with 35s.

The tubes are the same tubes used on the TJ 44.:rolleyes:

jeepjones 12-15-2010 05:13 AM

30 spline shafts, a c-clip eliminator kit,a truss,heavy duty cast iron diff cover is what will work the best but the problem will still remain is the weak carrier. Putting all the money that will be needed to beefing up the D35 just isn't worth it. Go find a Ford 9" out of a Crown Victoria, weld on a few brackets and your well on your way to a much better rear end than even a D44 or 8.8 .

jgano23 12-15-2010 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cpisani89
im still determined to run 35s lol. If I replace my crappy stock 27 spline d35 axles with the alloy usa 30 spline kit will this be enough to handle the 35's?

also does anyone have experience installing these? if so how hard is it..

My husband did some upgrading to his d35, Shoot him a pm (adamag25) and ask him.

4Jeepn 12-15-2010 07:17 AM

Here, this might help you:
Bolt In Axles - Complete Axle Assemblies - Axle Housings

shrubeck 12-15-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jeepinmichguy (Post 924071)
The tubes are the same tubes used on the TJ 44.:rolleyes:

Sorry, I didn't realize I said they were different. Oh wait... I didn't :rolleyes:

jeepinmichguy 12-15-2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 925813)
Sorry, I didn't realize I said they were different. Oh wait... I didn't :rolleyes:

You refered to the housing as weak, last i checked the tubes were part of the housing. So if you were not referring to the tubes I guess your talking about the pumpkin, and last I checked I have never seen anyone that had pumpkin flex issues. Judging by your standards I guess 44 housings are weak to correct?;)

shrubeck 12-15-2010 05:29 PM

LMAO, man you are pulling a lot of assumptions from very little typing on my part. The OP asked about upgrading shafts in a D35, so I addressed this. He specifically said he didn't want to go through the trouble of putting in a D44, so I didn't bring that up. Though if you really want to dig into details, he didn't want to have to put brackets on a D44, which means it's not a TJ D44, which means it may have bigger axle tubes than the D35... but that's not the point.

Saying the housing is a weakness doesn't mean it's a weak axle. Even tanks have a "weakness". Upgrading one part, the shafts in a D35, moves the weakess to a different part. You're right that pumpkins (part of the housing) don't flex much, but I've seen more than a few crack. I've also seen grenaded spider gears and carriers in D35s. I haven't personally seen a broken D44 pumpkin, but I'm sure it happens. Lots of axle housings can be considered a weakness. That's what trusses are for. BTW, if you want to have a technical discussion, I'm happy to participate. Ending you post with rolleyes made me think you had something else in mind.

jeepinmichguy 12-15-2010 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 926116)
LMAO, man you are pulling a lot of assumptions from very little typing on my part.

You said they have a weak housing, what kind of assumptions am I making?

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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 926116)
The OP asked about upgrading shafts in a D35, so I addressed this. He specifically said he didn't want to go through the trouble of putting in a D44, so I didn't bring that up.

You said it had a weak housing, Im waiting for an explanation. Tubes are the same as the so called "stouter TJ 44" (nobody seems to have many issues with it). So what are you referring to if its not the pig or tubes?

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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 926116)
Though if you really want to dig into details, he didn't want to have to put brackets on a D44, which means it's not a TJ D44, which means it may have bigger axle tubes than the D35... but that's not the point.

OK, you still have not answered my question. Tons of people upgrade to a superior super 35 kit and run 35s on it with no issues or truss, how does that make the weak housing stronger?

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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 926116)
Saying the housing is a weakness doesn't mean it's a weak axle. Even tanks have a "weakness".

You sure are jumping around the bush alot, the housing is the diff and tubes right?

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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 926116)
Upgrading one part, the shafts in a D35, moves the weakess to a different part.

If you upgrade to a Super 35 like i believe you suggested, you have to use a full case locker (detroit, arb, etc) set up for 30 sline shafts which eliminates the weak stock carrier. So you have now upgraded the shafts (weak point), carrier (weak point), no more spiders (weak point), add a CCE kit tokeep the axle from walking if it does break, and you are left with the ring and pinion which usually break do to the shafts either breaking or flexing, and you also have the stock housing itself left.


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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 926116)
You're right that pumpkins (part of the housing) don't flex much, but I've seen more than a few crack.

Hardly believable. Diff cover maybe, pumpkin itself...... Not to many people are going to buy that one.:rolleyes: Have you even even changed your own diff fluid? I would venture to say you have never seen the inside of a diff, let alone have a clue about the strength and thickness (hence, your statement above).

Yes they "can crack" but it is so uncommon in 11 years of trails and wheeling I have never seen it, and I have seen about everything.



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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 926116)
I've also seen grenaded spider gears and carriers in D35s.

So has everyone else.



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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 926116)
I haven't personally seen a broken D44 pumpkin, but I'm sure it happens.


I am sure you have ever seen a broken/cracked pumpkin at all.


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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 926116)
Lots of axle housings can be considered a weakness. That's what trusses are for.

I know. ;) But it is all realitive to what stage your build is in. What tires, motor, tcase, tranny, etc determines axles.



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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 926116)
BTW, if you want to have a technical discussion, I'm happy to participate.

I am still waiting for your response to the weak point of the housing.

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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 926116)
Ending you post with rolleyes made me think you had something else in mind.

The fact that you are avoiding the question makes me think you are doing alot of research right now to find an answer to something you think you read online somewhere.

4Jeepn 12-15-2010 06:20 PM

Keep it nice folks or the thread gets closed...

shrubeck 12-15-2010 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jeepinmichguy (Post 926232)

I am still waiting for your response...


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Originally Posted by jeepinmichguy (Post 926232)

Hardly believable. Diff cover maybe, pumpkin itself...... Not to many people are going to buy that one. Have you even even changed your own diff fluid? I would venture to say you have never seen the inside of a diff, let alone have a clue about the strength and thickness (hence, your statement above).

Yes they "can crack" but it is so uncommon in 11 years of trails and wheeling I have never seen it, and I have seen about everything.

It doesn't seem to me like you're interested in my response afterall.

jeepinmichguy 12-15-2010 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shrubeck (Post 926324)
It doesn't seem to me like you're interested in my response afterall.

I am after an actual respose, that is a response that has no truth to it. Diffs cracking, give me a break.:9lame: You must think I am a Jeep newb.;)

shrubeck 12-15-2010 07:26 PM

......wow

cpisani89 12-15-2010 09:15 PM

just close it i got what i needed out of it lol


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