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Pmedg 12-21-2010 11:55 AM

Receiver & Speaker Question
 
I have a 98 Wrangler Sport w/ factory head unit (AM/FM Cassette) and factory speakers. The speakers are pretty awful and I am considering putting in a new system. I checked out the Quadratec website and saw they have kits you can buy that essentially plug right in with little effort. i was considering purchasing the following but I wanted to get some feedback before spending 400ish. Is buying the kit worth it, or does it make more sense to go to a car audio place and have them install everything?

SONY® CDX-GT640UI AM/FM CD Stereo Receiver with Installation Kit for 97-02 Jeep® Wrangler TJ $199.99</SPAN>

Kicker Factory Replacement Front Dash Speaker Kits for 97-02 Jeep® Wrangler TJ $99.99</SPAN>

Kicker Factory Replacement Overhead Sound Bar Speaker Kits for 97-02 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited $89.99</SPAN>

Ibuildembig 12-21-2010 11:57 AM

Your local retailer should beat those prices fairly easy if you take that into um. Installation is easy and you dont need plug and play stuff for the speakers. There are alot of writeups on here about it.

Peepers 12-21-2010 12:09 PM

You can get better speakers for much cheaper. Its not that hard to splice them in, you might just need an extra hand to hold things. The head unit is nice because it comes with the mounting bracket.

Check out www.crutchfield.com they have a lot of good players and they all ship with the mounting bracket.

The only problem I had with doing the dash speakers, is jeeps have a special mount for the 4x6's and the speakers I bought didnt have the same mounting holes. I had to cut the old speaker out of its mount and I screwed the new speaker to the old mount. There are also ways to cram some 5 1/2 in speakers in there, I think you can find the brackets on e-bay or online some where, not sure.

Pmedg 12-21-2010 12:17 PM

Thanks for the heads up. I'll prob bring it to a car audio place and have them quote me out replacing everything.

Ibuildembig 12-21-2010 12:21 PM

Just get the stuff locally and we on here can help you install it :)

If you were local to me I could do the whole job for $ 345.00 equipment and labor.

Pmedg 12-21-2010 01:17 PM

I had a 95' Grand Cherokee Ltd back in high school that I had Tweeter put JL Audio's into for me, but i think they were 200+ a pair and they said i needed to have the car re-wired as the stock wiring would cause problems with an aftermarket deck/speakers (prob knew i was clueless and just added stuff that i didnt need) end of the day i think i laid out like $1,200. I def dont have the mechanical know how to rewire my wrangler. But I pretty confident i can handle a screw driver and connect some wires. I'm looking to have some deep bass w/o having to put in sub woofers. also i find the stock speakers dont get loud enough to enjoy music clearly with the top down.

Hostile JEEP T.J 12-21-2010 02:05 PM

Go to cartoys they have real good deals on head units and speakers!! If you don't want to install the head unit yourself then buy it from them and they install for free! Then just but the speakers you want and take those home and install them yourself, there real easy to do! I bought the infinity 6 1/2 for my sound bar overhead and the infinity 5 1/4 for my dash and installed the new head unit also! It was very easy and my head unit pushes my speakers very nicely! They sound great, the only thing I had to pick up was a different antenna adapter because the factory cd player one wouldnt go in the after market unit! Like ibuildembig said buy the stuff and save some money and we can help u on here install everything no problem.

HOSTILE TJ.

Peepers 12-21-2010 02:23 PM

I'm pretty sure it takes all off 15 minutes to install a head unit, and that includes dismantaling the dash if your radio comes with the plug an play adapter from the stock harness to the new radio...

Pmedg 12-21-2010 02:42 PM

Thanks for the tips. I took a look at Cartoys and was able to put together a deck, front and rear speakers for about $340. Is it necessary to use the same brand speakers for the front an rear? Given my make/model the only front speaker they had was infinity, so that is what i paired it with for the rear. I use my Droid Incredible (Pandora App) for most of my music in my car, as long as i can hook that up I dont need any crazy bells and whistles as far as the deck is concerned. Below is what i am thinking of going with. Any thoughts/insight appreciated.

Infinity Referance REF6432CF 4x6-inch Loudspeaker $79.99 (only option)

Infinity Referance REF6030CS 6.5-inch 2-Way Speaker $159.99

JVC KD A315 CD MP3 WMA Car Stereo Receiver with Front AUX $99.99

KillaDelph 12-21-2010 02:47 PM

Its SIMPLE to do your own stereo in a Wrangler. I would deffiantly reccondmend a aftermarket head unit, speakers and sub. Dont buy your bestbuy stuff either its truthfully garbage for the most part. Get a Alpine CDA 9886 head unit, simple to splice with a wiring harness(comes with a diagram). get JL 5 1/4" C2's and any 4x6" for the front. Choosing to hook up an amp is your choice, but I would do the amp. If you want a subwoofer get a Jl W3 in 10 or 12 inch. Its a 500rms sub. I have different on speaker of what I suggested(opted for 6.5inch Hertz audio componant speakers which requires cutting of the stock speaker bar).

If you run a head unit first before buying speakers, youll notice its not terrible and you may not want to dump more money.

What I just threw out there isnt cheap but will out sound most anything youve heard. and remember its not about the "2000watt" sub you can buy from bestbuy. Look at the RMS ratings because thats the constant power it gets. the higher number is peak and that doesnt mean anything.

Peepers 12-21-2010 02:47 PM

I'm pretty sure I have two different brands in my jeep. And I have a car stereo setup in my garage with 4 different brands of speakers and it works fine.

Pmedg 12-22-2010 07:23 AM

Thanks for the advice everyone I really appreciate it. i'll prob wait until after christmas & new years to do anything but i will let you know how it goes.

Kyle03Sport 12-22-2010 08:18 AM

I am looking at replacing my head unit as well. I've found the best overall deal is at Crutchfield. They will send you free mounting hardware and wiring harness and installation instructions for any head unit over $99. That stuff would probably run you around $30-$50 extra. And if you get in a pinch, their customer service reps are actually very good and pretty knowledgeable.

If you take it to a shop, keep in mind they'll probably charge you $50/hr for labor - which will honestly only take them an hour to do all of, but you could get charged for two hours - so there's an extra $50-$100.

As for doing it yourself - I changed out all of my speakers (minus the console speaker) in less than an hour - and I took things pretty slow. The head unit installation is a snap too. I would suggest at least trying it yourself. It's actually kind of fun, you'll learn more about your jeep, you'll feel "like a real man" (no offense ladies) that you did it yourself. And worst case scenario - if you screw it up beyond your capabilities - you can always take it to a shop after all.

Peepers 12-22-2010 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle03Sport (Post 938847)
And if you get in a pinch, their customer service reps are actually very good and pretty knowledgeable.

x2

Ibuildembig 12-22-2010 08:47 AM

I disagree with that, Crutchfield is higher than every mom and pop retailer I have ever known. Why would you buy from them not seeing the stuff you were getting? Or even hearing the speakers?

Jerry Bransford 12-22-2010 09:05 AM

Make sure the speakers you buy have at least a 90 dB Sensitivity rating since you aren't also adding an external amplifier. That will insure the speakers will play loudly enough with the limited amount of power put out by the stock Sony or other stock head unit. Speakers rated at 90 dB Sensitivity and only a 50 watt max rating will sound louder and play more cleanly than others rated, say, at 85 dB Sensitivity and a 1000 watt rating. A speaker's wattage rating is only how much power it can handle, not how loudly it will play at lower wattage levels.

Polk is a good brand for speakers that usually have over 90 dB Sensitivity ratings.

You'll like that particular model Sony, I had that same model in my last TJ and I bought another for my present TJ.

Krigster 12-22-2010 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
Make sure the speakers you buy have at least a 90 dB Sensitivity rating since you aren't also adding an external amplifier. That will insure the speakers will play loudly enough with the limited amount of power put out by the stock Sony or other stock head unit. Speakers rated at 90 dB Sensitivity and only a 50 watt max rating will sound louder and play more cleanly than others rated, say, at 85 dB Sensitivity and a 1000 watt rating. A speaker's wattage rating is only how much power it can handle, not how loudly it will play at lower wattage levels.

Polk is a good brand for speakers that usually have over 90 dB Sensitivity ratings.

You'll like that particular model Sony, I had that same model in my last TJ and I bought another for my present TJ.

I followed your info on the dB sensitivity, and everything sounds great! Many "stereo guys" told me not to worry about all that, and that it was a bunch of crap. So I did the obvious and purged their "advice". When somebody challenges me on something I read or hear with "that's not important" or "Thats a bunch of crap" I figure that's a knee jerk reaction to "I don't know the answer to your questions".

I did some pioneer speakers and a Alpine head unit, matched Jerry's specs and all is good. My fronts needed some brackets I got from Best Buy and needed some cussing before they went in. Thanks for the specs Jerry!

Pmedg 12-22-2010 10:02 AM

I went to a few of the websites and input my vehicle information adn they gave me speaker/head unit options and one site showed speaker size of 4'' for the dash and 5.25" for the sound bar (crutchfield). another site showed 4x6" for the dash and 6.5" for the sound bar. am i missing something or does that seem weird? does the bigger isnt always better saying apply here? The cartoys speakers i listed above.

here is awhat crutchfield recomended

Sound Bar
Alpine SPS-500 Type-S 5-1/4" 2-way car speakers at Crutchfield.com

Dash/Front Speakers
Alpine SPS-400 Type-S 4" 2-way car speakers at Crutchfield.com

Deck
Dual XDMA6415 CD receiver at Crutchfield.com

Jerry Bransford 12-22-2010 10:06 AM

The factory installs a 4x6 in the dash and a 5.25" in the sound bar. The front will sound better with a round 5.25" (there are adapters to do that) and the rear can be replaced with a 6.5" without any modifications to the sound bar.

Pmedg 12-22-2010 11:12 AM

I saw one how to that said i will need to cut metal in order to make the adapter and 5.25" speakers fit. are there adapters that i will not need to cut the metal to use?


ROCKCRAWLER.com - 33 Engineering 5 1/4 Speaker Adapter Plates for TJ

Jerry Bransford 12-22-2010 11:35 AM

You only need to cut out one small piece of steel bracing so the speaker can fit, it's no big deal and even a common hacksaw can be used.

Pmedg 12-22-2010 11:51 AM

ok cutting a small piece of metal seems easy enough. with what i gather from the sizing comments i might as well get 5.25" (Dash) & 6.5" speakers (Sound Bar). I am thinking about going with Boston Acoustics S55 5.25" 2 way speakers in the dash $89.99 (will order adapter). Then Boston Acoustics S65RC 6-1/2" 2 way speakers in the sound bar $109.99. I chose 2 way speakers because when i looked at the component speakers it seemed as though it would involve cutting special places for the tweeters and running additional wires, etc.

Dash Speakers 5.25"
Boston Acoustics S55 5-1/4" 2-way car speakers at Crutchfield.com

Sound Bar Speakers 6.5"
Boston Acoustics S65RC 6-1/2" 2-way car speakers at Crutchfield.com

Head Unit
Dual XDMA6415 CD receiver at Crutchfield.com

Jerry Bransford 12-22-2010 11:56 AM

Those speakers are a good choice. With a 92 dB Sensitivity rating they will work well and sound good with a regular receiver that doesn't have a more powerful external amplifier.

I'm not a big fan of Dual's receivers but...

Pmedg 12-22-2010 12:04 PM

i had never heard of duel myself. i liked that it had blue tooth, usb port & stereo jack on the face, and the price was nice. the reveiws seemed to be pretty good. im not looking to blow the doors off, just be able to enjoy music when the top is down without having to crank it to the point it gets distorted

Ibuildembig 12-22-2010 12:06 PM

Dual can be purchased at Walmart

Jerry Bransford 12-22-2010 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig (Post 939253)
Dual can be purchased at Walmart

And probably for less than what he could buy it from Crutchfield for too. I wouldn't doubt he could get those speakers there too, or at least similar quality speakers with that same >90 dB Sensitivity rating. Crutchfield's pricing is pretty darned high. I think Fry's carries Dual too, and they would also be cheaper than Crutchfield.

Pmedg 12-22-2010 12:12 PM

thanks for the tip. i will def check out walmart. nothing like saving some $$$. is crutchfield a good place to purchase the brackets i will need? or is there somewhere else you would reccomend?

Ibuildembig 12-22-2010 12:15 PM

Doya not have a mom and pop stereo store where you live?

Pmedg 12-22-2010 12:20 PM

I live in Quincy MA at the moment, but never spend any time there accept to sleep so i dont know the area well. I can prob find a spot, just figured it would be cheaper to order stuff online.

Ibuildembig 12-22-2010 12:24 PM

You'd be surprised actually...there has never been a time when Crutchfield has beaten a job I have done. 90 percent of your small stereo shops can and will beat pretty much any online retailer.


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